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Title: Net Neutrality Struck Down
Post by: LongBlade on January 14, 2014, 01:25:25 PM
A US Appeals court has struck down net neutrality.

QuoteIn its ruling against the FCC's rules, the court said that such restrictions are not needed in part because consumers have a choice in which ISP they use.

"Without broadband provider market power, consumers, of course, have options," the court writes. "They can go to another broadband provider if they want to reach particular edge providers or if their connections to particular edge providers have been degraded."

source: http://news.yahoo.com/u-appeals-court-kills-net-neutrality-152413671.html
Title: Re: Net Neutrality Struck Down
Post by: bayonetbrant on January 14, 2014, 01:30:37 PM
so will they revisit the ruling once the inevitable market consolidation starts reducing broadband ISP options?
Title: Re: Net Neutrality Struck Down
Post by: mirth on January 14, 2014, 02:04:10 PM
Quote from: bayonetbrant on January 14, 2014, 01:30:37 PM
so will they revisit the ruling once the inevitable market consolidation starts reducing broadband ISP options?

that's the funniest thing I've read here in a while :P
Title: Re: Net Neutrality Struck Down
Post by: Martok on January 14, 2014, 03:57:40 PM
Quote from: bayonetbrant on January 14, 2014, 01:30:37 PM
so will they revisit the ruling once the inevitable market consolidation starts reducing broadband ISP options?
Hey, you're psychic (http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/01/14/us-timewarnercable-charter-idUSBREA0C1IK20140114)!  :P 

Title: Re: Net Neutrality Struck Down
Post by: bayonetbrant on January 14, 2014, 04:40:10 PM
Quote from: Martok on January 14, 2014, 03:57:40 PMHey, you're psychic (http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/01/14/us-timewarnercable-charter-idUSBREA0C1IK20140114)!  :P 

No, I wrote an entire textbook chapter on cable television (http://books.google.com/books?id=NQ1mbp-z7tUC&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false) and was well aware of the trend toward market consolidation years ago.
Title: Re: Net Neutrality Struck Down
Post by: Martok on January 14, 2014, 05:23:12 PM
Aw.  There goes some of your aura of mystique.  :( 

Title: Re: Net Neutrality Struck Down
Post by: GDS_Starfury on January 14, 2014, 05:31:09 PM
he still has the aroma.
Title: Re: Net Neutrality Struck Down
Post by: Martok on January 14, 2014, 05:35:21 PM
Yes, but you can't detect it when you live in a flyover state. 

Title: Re: Net Neutrality Struck Down
Post by: Greybriar on January 14, 2014, 08:34:20 PM
Quote from: LongBlade on January 14, 2014, 01:25:25 PM
A US Appeals court has struck down net neutrality.

QuoteIn its ruling against the FCC's rules, the court said that such restrictions are not needed in part because consumers have a choice in which ISP they use.

"Without broadband provider market power, consumers, of course, have options," the court writes. "They can go to another broadband provider if they want to reach particular edge providers or if their connections to particular edge providers have been degraded."

source: http://news.yahoo.com/u-appeals-court-kills-net-neutrality-152413671.html

I wonder how much money it cost the cable companies for that decision.
Title: Re: Net Neutrality Struck Down
Post by: Staggerwing on January 14, 2014, 09:58:38 PM
Think of it as an investment.
Title: Re: Net Neutrality Struck Down
Post by: BanzaiCat on January 15, 2014, 07:43:20 AM
Quote from: Staggerwing on January 14, 2014, 09:58:38 PM
Think of it as an investment black hole.

Fixed for ya.  8)
Title: Re: Net Neutrality Struck Down
Post by: airboy on January 17, 2014, 02:11:50 PM
I read this in the Wall St. Journal and it is potentially very significant for Netflix, Youtube, Hulu and a couple of others.

Netflix is now taking up more than 30% of the bandwith on digital cable internet.  Youtube is about 18%.  If your cable (or other high speed internet provider) chooses, they can slow down the delivery of Netflix unless Netflix pays for faster delivery.

Netflix & Youtube have essentially been free riding by taking up a huge proportion of high speed internet usage. 

Nobody knows at this point how it will work out.  But the big players are Netflix, Youtube and high speed internet providers.
Title: Re: Net Neutrality Struck Down
Post by: BanzaiCat on January 17, 2014, 02:30:30 PM
That really sucks if they end up putting brakes on for no reason.

I mean, if customers want to watch Netflix with their high-speed Internet, they'll watch Netflix. They pay the service provider to give them what they want/need. That provider should have little to say, if anything, about how that bandwidth is used. It's theirs, they're already paying for it.
Title: Re: Net Neutrality Struck Down
Post by: bayonetbrant on January 17, 2014, 02:41:48 PM
they can also de-prioritize traffic coming from overseas, which might cut into guys like me reading British papers for soccer news, but also cuts into overseas 'hosting' sites like Pirate Bay and anything hosted at .ru
Then again, it might also slow down botnets hosted overseas