I spent a lot of time this past weekend with FELH which I picked up for $10 on a recent GamersGate sale after listening to some grogs' recommendations. Hands down, this is the best $10 that I have spent in a long time. Graphics could be better, especially on the tactical maps, but I am really enjoying the strategic depth and RPG elements in this 4X fantasy game. This game will have a permanent spot on my hard drive.
Yay! Great way to spend ten bucks indeed. :) If only it had multiplayer, eh?
Quote from: Yskonyn on April 28, 2014, 02:01:56 PM
Yay! Great way to spend ten bucks indeed. :) If only it had multiplayer, eh?
Too bad indeed!
Quote from: Shelldrake on April 28, 2014, 01:41:07 PM
I spent a lot of time this past weekend with FELH which I picked up for $10 on a recent GamersGate sale after listening to some grogs' recommendations. Hands down, this is the best $10 that I have spent in a long time. Graphics could be better, especially on the tactical maps, but I am really enjoying the strategic depth and RPG elements in this 4X fantasy game. This game will have a permanent spot on my hard drive.
Yeah.. I'm really enjoying as well... getting that darn "One More Turn" affliction coming on.. lol.. working from home today.. just played at lunch.. had trouble shutting off at the end of the hour! Ten dollars well spent!.. I guess a lot of the DLC is on sale for the week, or at least it was when I looked last night..
I haven't played the new AoW3....but aside from that, it is the best game in this genre I have ever played. I keep going back to it again and again.
Dammit now I still don't know which one to get...AoW or FE...
I just isn't clicking for me and I can't figure out why. I want to like it and, by all accounts, I should like it...but I have to force myself to play. It's a great game though (especially considering where it started)
Quote from: mikeck on April 28, 2014, 05:05:30 PM
I just isn't clicking for me and I can't figure out why. I want to like it and, by all accounts, I should like it...but I have to force myself to play. It's a great game though (especially considering where it started)
In the beginning, was like that.. but as I kept playing and getting into the strengths and weaknesses during Tactical Battles, and upgrading units and such.. I got hooked!
Don't know how much longer to go. I have 5 cities and have played for several hours. May be lost on me
Hooray! Glad you guys are
drinking the Kool-aid enjoying the game as well. ;D
Yeah,
Fallen Enchantress: Legendary Heroes remains my fantasy 4x title of choice, at least for the time being. I like
Age of Wonders 3 -- it's a gorgeous game, leader customization is fun, and I think the combat system is one of the better ones I've seen in a while -- but it's still missing something compared to FE:LH.
For me, I think it's that FE:LH has greater overall depth and a better combination of Civ gameplay and RPG elements. In contrast, AoW3 feels more like "Fantasy Civ Light", with a much heavier emphasis on fighting and war. (It's probably no accident that the latter's combat system got a lot more love.)
Quote from: Shelldrake on April 28, 2014, 02:48:10 PM
Quote from: Yskonyn on April 28, 2014, 02:01:56 PM
Yay! Great way to spend ten bucks indeed. :) If only it had multiplayer, eh?
Too bad indeed!
Agreed. FE:LH is one game I actually wouldn't mind playing online with you guys.
Quote from: Gusington on April 28, 2014, 04:19:46 PM
Dammit now I still don't know which one to get...AoW or FE...
I'd say it's probably gonna mostly boil down to which type of game you want,
Gus.
If you're looking for "
Civilization set in a fantasy world", then
Fallen Enchantress: Legendary Heroes is definitely the better fit. If you're looking more for a fantasy wargame with some Civ elements added in (and cool-looking tactical battles), then
Age of Wonders 3 is probably what you want.
Another possible factor is whether you want to play online or not (if you do, then you should get AoW3, as FE:LH is singleplayer only) -- and if not, the quality of the singleplayer opponents. The AI in FE:LH is generally pretty good at both the strategic and tactical level, while the AI in AoW3 is decent at the strategic level, but rather anemic in battles.
^Hmm...sounds like I am leaning more towards FE. I LOVE the idea of Civ in a fantasy world.
Get em both.. though I have enough gaming here, that I can wait for the AOW 3 sale!
I bought the new DLC and fired FE up again. I've hardly come up for air 8) It's a great game.
Now you all have me thinking about it.....although not $10, it is on sale at gamersgate for $20 (regular $39).
http://www.gamersgate.com/DD-FELH/fallen-enchantress-legendary-heroes
By the by, here's video of Derek (the lead dev) running the game with the new leader pack:
Quote from: Steelgrave on April 28, 2014, 09:22:10 PM
I bought the new DLC and fired FE up again. I've hardly come up for air 8) It's a great game.
You're liking the new content, then? I've been eying the Leader Pack, but have been waffling on it so far.
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on April 28, 2014, 09:24:06 PM
Now you all have me thinking about it.....although not $10, it is on sale at gamersgate for $20 (regular $39).
http://www.gamersgate.com/DD-FELH/fallen-enchantress-legendary-heroes
Get it!! You know you want to. 8)
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I bought the new DLC and fired FE up again. I've hardly come up for air 8) It's a great game.
You're liking the new content, then? I've been eying the Leader Pack, but have been waffling on it so far.
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The game itself is solid and a lot of fun. The new leader pack is simply more choices. I'm not sure how it impacts the game so far, if at all, but I'm enjoying plugging in some different leaders and see where the game goes.
Quote from: Gusington on April 28, 2014, 08:37:53 PM
^Hmm...sounds like I am leaning more towards FE. I LOVE the idea of Civ in a fantasy world.
Surely endless legend then?
Quote from: Steelgrave on April 29, 2014, 02:30:09 AM
The game itself is solid and a lot of fun. The new leader pack is simply more choices. I'm not sure how it impacts the game so far, if at all, but I'm enjoying plugging in some different leaders and see where the game goes.
I don't have ANY of the DLC. Do any of them really add much?
Quote from: bbmike on April 29, 2014, 05:14:15 AM
Quote from: Steelgrave on April 29, 2014, 02:30:09 AM
The game itself is solid and a lot of fun. The new leader pack is simply more choices. I'm not sure how it impacts the game so far, if at all, but I'm enjoying plugging in some different leaders and see where the game goes.
I don't have ANY of the DLC. Do any of them really add much?
+1
Just began to look at Endless Legend last night, I need to look some more.
How many factions are there in FE?
Quote from: Gusington on April 29, 2014, 08:03:49 AM
How many factions are there in FE?
There are 10 in
Legendary Heroes -- 5 Kingdoms and 5 Empires.
Gus, I would go with FE. I enjoy Endless Legend but it's an alpha. FE is a game with years worth of work and DLC
Right now I would start with FE:LH.... it is cheaper and a good place to start. I still like AOW3, however I feel it needs some more tweaking and I hope the same mods that were released for the previous version will be released for 3. Both games will remain on my HD and I like them both for different reasons.
Endless Legend I will purchase, however will wait until it is at least in beta version. If I were starting out today, I would start with FE:LH and play that for now, is a mature product with several DLCs.... AOW3 will probably have seen some tweaking, mods, and maybe cheaper by the time you get ready to look around.... but I would differently purchase both.
PE
Quote from: PanzersEast on April 29, 2014, 10:02:56 AMLegendary Heroes I will purchase, however will wait until it is at least in beta version. If I were starting out today, I would start with FE:LH and play that for now, is a mature product with several DLCs.... AOW3 will probably have seen some tweaking, mods, and maybe cheaper by the time you get ready to look around.... but I would differently purchase both.
You mean Endless Legend, don't you? ???
Quote from: Martok on April 29, 2014, 10:37:09 AM
Quote from: PanzersEast on April 29, 2014, 10:02:56 AMLegendary Heroes I will purchase, however will wait until it is at least in beta version. If I were starting out today, I would start with FE:LH and play that for now, is a mature product with several DLCs.... AOW3 will probably have seen some tweaking, mods, and maybe cheaper by the time you get ready to look around.... but I would differently purchase both.
You mean Endless Legend, don't you? ???
Corrected.... yes the other Legend game :P
PE
I have never played a AoW game. I bought the super deluxe first iteration of FE but ever even opened the box to oggle the pewter dragon because of the bad reviews it got at the time. Sounds like it's time to return to Stardock and forgive.
In FE are there any fundamental differences between kingsoms and empires? How often does FE go on sale?
The Empire are the bad guys, the Kingdoms the good guys. Basically.
Well, I tried AoW3 and it is nice and shiny but for me I seem to prefer Enchantress. I'm not sure why, it seems deeper and more solid all round.
At the moment I'm playing Master of Orion 3 with the vanilla mod fix and I'm hooked so after I've finished my first game I'm going straight back to Enchatress to check out this new DLC.
Quote from: Gusington on April 29, 2014, 01:32:05 PM
How often does FE go on sale?
Every few months, and during the Steam seasonal sales.
Quote from: Gusington on April 29, 2014, 01:32:05 PM
I bought the super deluxe first iteration of FE but ever even opened the box to oggle the pewter dragon because of the bad reviews it got at the time.
Hold on,
Gus.
You know, I'm not sure why this didn't occur to me before (general addle-mindedness, probably ::) ), but depending on exactly when you purchased that "super deluxe" edition of
Elemental, odds are good you're entitled to a free copy of
Legendary Heroes already.
I say this, because I did the same thing as you (purchased the deluxe edition of E:WOM, complete with pewter dragon). I don't remember precisely how it worked now, but because of that -- and because of the first game's poor reception, and Stardock wanting to make things right with those who'd purchased it -- I subsequently received both a free copy of FE and FE:LH when the two later titles were released.
At this relatively late date, I'm not sure what all you'd need to do to get your complimentary copy of FE:LH,
Gus, but you're almost certainly entitled to one. I'm thinking Stardock support could help you out if you contacted them.
Sounds like it may take some time to get that free copy...can't hurt to try. I may have some time tonight.
Bought the alpha. Very nice indeed.
Quote from: jomni on April 29, 2014, 05:10:55 PM
Bought the alpha. Very nice indeed.
The alpha Of endless legend I assume?
Quote from: Gusington on April 29, 2014, 02:48:13 PM
Sounds like it may take some time to get that free copy...can't hurt to try. I may have some time tonight.
I know Stardock finished off the "$20 discount to
Legendary Heroes if you previously bought
Fallen Enchantress"" offer that had been out there for years. I think that was late last year, maybe? I'm not sure that offer is still current, but it might be. The Stardock forums would tell you.
Quote from: mikeck on April 29, 2014, 05:58:56 PM
Quote from: jomni on April 29, 2014, 05:10:55 PM
Bought the alpha. Very nice indeed.
The alpha Of endless legend I assume?
You're right. Wrong thread. Damn!
Gus, one thing I would check right away is your stardock account page and go to downloads.
All your registered products are listed there. Perhaps FE is there already waiting for you to have a go at it.
Very good point Martok!! I dont know why I didnt think of that earlier.
As far as I know I don't have a Stardock account page, I've never downloaded anything from them.
Quote from: Gusington on April 30, 2014, 07:29:16 AM
As far as I know I don't have a Stardock account page, I've never downloaded anything from them.
If you have ever played a Stardock game you will have generated a Stardock account for activation. If not I would load up your super deluxe copy of Elemental, create an account and see what happens - maybe FELE will then appear in your account.
I'm pretty sure that FELH is only available via Steam. I'd just contact Stardock, supply whatever receipt you can, and see what they can do. Their customer support is usually pretty good.
Thanks guys. I have the original box still in its plastic wrap for Elemental...but I remember how excited I was about the game when I ordered it. I am hoping FE can live up to those expectations from - I think - five years ago? Jeez has it been that long...
^ Well it was more like four years ago -- the original
Elemental game was released back in August 2010 -- but yeah, it's already been a while. :-\
Incidentally, I just fired up FELH for a little bit this morning. All I did was monkey around with designing/customizing a new Sovereign (in the finest traditions of vanity/ego, I'm trying to model one after myself :P )...and I had a blast doing it. Just that aspect alone could almost be a mini-game in itself.
Quote from: FarAway Sooner on April 30, 2014, 08:59:30 AM
I'm pretty sure that FELH is only available via Steam. I'd just contact Stardock, supply whatever receipt you can, and see what they can do. Their customer support is usually pretty good.
I second all this.
Good luck
Gus! Here's hoping you have a copy of this fine game in your grubby paws soon. :)
Quote from: Martok on April 30, 2014, 01:55:29 PM
^ Well it was more like four years ago -- the original Elemental game was released back in August 2010 -- but yeah, it's already been a while. :-\
I thought that was the second iteration that was released around that time. Wasn't the first Elemental out in '08 or '09?
Quote from: Martok on April 30, 2014, 01:55:29 PM
^ Well it was more like four years ago -- the original Elemental game was released back in August 2010 -- but yeah, it's already been a while. :-\
Incidentally, I just fired up FELH for a little bit this morning. All I did was monkey around with designing/customizing a new Sovereign (in the finest traditions of vanity/ego, I'm trying to model one after myself :P )...and I had a blast doing it. Just that aspect alone could almost be a mini-game in itself.
Quote from: FarAway Sooner on April 30, 2014, 08:59:30 AM
I'm pretty sure that FELH is only available via Steam. I'd just contact Stardock, supply whatever receipt you can, and see what they can do. Their customer support is usually pretty good.
I second all this.
Good luck Gus! Here's hoping you have a copy of this fine game in your grubby paws soon. :)
I have still been holding out but hearing about the customization options and that being fun, keeps my finger close to the purchase button....
Hmm regular price on Steam for FE: LH is 39.99...worth it?
Quote from: Gusington on April 30, 2014, 06:08:41 PM
Hmm regular price on Steam for FE: LH is 39.99...worth it?
No...buy it at gamersgate with steam key for only $20 instead:)
http://www.gamersgate.com/DD-FELH/fallen-enchantress-legendary-heroes
^Wow quick answer...if I can't get it free I will do that...thanks Grim.
Quote from: Gusington on April 30, 2014, 06:17:43 PM
^Wow quick answer...if I can't get it free I will do that...thanks Grim.
Only available for the next 4 days....
Damn you and your quick draw deals!!
lol.. The first day we told you, it was 10 bucks!!!.. You snooze you lose!!!.. I wonder if the 10 was a mistake, it was only like that for a day or two..
I have to say, while comparison shopping, I am liking the look of Endless Legend more than FE...
You want to pay to be a Beta Tester instead of getting a great deal on a solid product?
I haven't bought anything yet. The look of Endless Legend gets my juices flowing moreso than what I have seen so far with FE.
Quote from: Gusington on May 01, 2014, 06:56:28 AM
I haven't bought anything yet. The look of Endless Legend gets my juices flowing moreso than what I have seen so far with FE.
Yay he's in!
It's the closest to fantasy civ out of all 3
Quote from: Gusington on May 01, 2014, 06:56:28 AM
I haven't bought anything yet. The look of Endless Legend gets my juices flowing moreso than what I have seen so far with FE.
It does look great. Right now if there are just too many things missing that look like they do one thing during the game but really aren't. buildings so don't do anything...things like that. couple more patches on my fired it up. It's in great shape for an alpha though and I can easily see it becoming might go-to "fantasy" 4X
How far off is the real release date for Endless Legend?
Quote from: Gusington on May 01, 2014, 07:51:50 AM
How far off is the real release date for Endless Legend?
If they are following the same schedule as Endless Space, it should only be another couple of months. Then again, ES was farther along when they started selling it (it was feature complete, iirc).
Quote from: Gusington on May 01, 2014, 07:51:50 AM
How far off is the real release date for Endless Legend?
timberrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Quote from: Gusington on April 30, 2014, 09:07:15 PM
I have to say, while comparison shopping, I am liking the look of Endless Legend more than FE...
Endless Legend does look nice. I look forward to your impressions Gus.
Sorry for this thread hijack...tgb if it's only a couple of months away that is good news. I can catch up on some other newish releases until then. Endless Legend does look and sound worth waiting for.
Quote from: Gusington on May 01, 2014, 10:08:17 AM
Sorry for this thread hijack...tgb if it's only a couple of months away that is good news. I can catch up on some other newish releases until then. Endless Legend does look and sound worth waiting for.
Understand that this is just a guess on my part.
In the meantime, Gus, maybe you should see about getting your FREE copy of FELH... :P
If I bought all the DLC on sale from GG, would it go into affect immediately, or not till the next 'new' game?
Martok you are a FE floozy.
Quote from: Tuna on May 01, 2014, 01:55:18 PM
If I bought all the DLC on sale from GG, would it go into affect immediately, or not till the next 'new' game?
Good question.
Steelie? Anyone?
Quote from: Gusington on May 01, 2014, 02:26:31 PM
Martok you are a FE floozy.
It's like you know me or something... 8)
I'm near the end of my first game.. so I can wait on the DLC
Are some better than others? Are they worth grabbing for 2.50 a piece?
I bought the Dead World, the Quest pack, and the Loot pack. i think the loot pack and the quest pack are pretty good for the price as they add more goodies and more things to do. The Dead World adds a new race which adds a few new wrinkles. Their forces are annoying with their spells and special attacks, but easy to slap around.
I bought all 4 for 10 bucks (I need to give up FSX, you don't get deals like this there!) .. I'll have to dive in, this weekend!
I am likely going to sound stupid, but what the heck...when I look around in discussions related to this game, it seems people indicate it lacks an "end game" or the "end game" is buggy, etc.
What exactly are they referring too about the "end game"????
Only couple days left in the sale so really trying to see if I should go for it...
I haven't had any issues with the end game. I've won a few different types of victory conditions and haven't noticed any bugs. I can see how play balance might be an issue as you tend to end up with ridiculously powerful armies that wipe the map with whatever they encounter but that's only if you try to drag the game out.
I got it in the sale, after Sauron had been spamming me with "dozens" of screenshots from his game - got most of the DLC with blue coins! yay! :D
Quote from: Silent Disapproval Robot on May 02, 2014, 10:47:17 PM
I haven't had any issues with the end game. I've won a few different types of victory conditions and haven't noticed any bugs. I can see how play balance might be an issue as you tend to end up with ridiculously powerful armies that wipe the map with whatever they encounter but that's only if you try to drag the game out.
So basically they are implying it becomes sometimes too easy or unbalanced because of everything you can build up until that point? I guess I can live with that if its my side that has the large army and killing everyone else:)
I think so. I haven't played a whole lot of the game though so others might know more. I played it regularly for about a month or so and enjoyed it but I've moved on to other titles.
Quote from: Martok on May 01, 2014, 02:42:53 PM
Quote from: Tuna on May 01, 2014, 01:55:18 PM
If I bought all the DLC on sale from GG, would it go into affect immediately, or not till the next 'new' game?
Good question. Steelie? Anyone?
Quote from: Gusington on May 01, 2014, 02:26:31 PM
Martok you are a FE floozy.
It's like you know me or something... 8)
I bought my copy on Steam and got all the DLC's at once.
I think today is the day I cave in and buy.....all of you better be right !!!!
:)
Don't worry; we are. ;D
So after being sucked in by the eye candy posted....I went a different direction:)
Picked up Endless Legends instead:)
<Insert obligatory comment about GrimReaper being more fickle than a woman here> ;)
Nah, whatever floats your boat, man. I'll admit those were some pretty cool-looking screenies 'geek put up, so I can't really can't blame you. :) I hope you enjoy it!
Quote from: Martok on May 03, 2014, 03:15:43 PM
<Insert obligatory comment about GrimReaper being more fickle than a woman here> ;)
Nah, whatever floats your boat, man. I'll admit those were some pretty cool-looking screenies 'geek put up, so I can't really can't blame you. :) I hope you enjoy it!
yep, those pictures are what changed my mind...however, still a good chance I'll pick up FE as well while on sale.
That's exactly why I am leaning towards Endless Legend as well, and sorta hijacked this thread. Shall I start an Endless Legend thread? is there one already? Must check...
Quote from: Martok on May 03, 2014, 03:15:43 PM
<Insert obligatory comment about GrimReaper being more fickle than a woman here> ;)
Nah, whatever floats your boat, man. I'll admit those were some pretty cool-looking screenies 'geek put up, so I can't really can't blame you. :) I hope you enjoy it!
Well Martok, I purchased both this weekend...after all my going back and forth:) Heck I even picked up Warlock 2 when I got it for a great price and I typically never play these types of games:)
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on May 04, 2014, 11:04:00 AM
Quote from: Martok on May 03, 2014, 03:15:43 PM
<Insert obligatory comment about GrimReaper being more fickle than a woman here> ;)
Nah, whatever floats your boat, man. I'll admit those were some pretty cool-looking screenies 'geek put up, so I can't really can't blame you. :) I hope you enjoy it!
Well Martok, I purchased both this weekend...after all my going back and forth:) Heck I even picked up Warlock 2 when I got it for a great price and I typically never play these types of games:)
^You're the man! ;D
We'll turn you into a fantasy 4x junkie yet, GrimReaper. 8)
Quote from: Martok on May 04, 2014, 11:55:04 AM
We'll turn you into a fantasy 4x junkie yet, GrimReaper. 8)
I don't know about that, but I am willing to try new things:)
Went through the tutorial and played a bit...have to admit, I do like it. Although only have played both games in a short time, I actually think I am enjoying FE:LH a little bit more. Likely because it is in a finished state more than anything. Thanks again for the heads up....
You're welcome! Glad you're enjoying it so far. :)
Actually even having fun with the character creators...kind of nice you can customize your own. Still will take me a lot to understand, but it will be fun doing so.
I really want to like LH, but I don't. I hate that no matter what setting I change, I always end up with strong world monsters surrounding my starting area. Ruins my enjoyment when I throw 2-3 armies at them and they all get wiped out. All while the AI is expanding like rabbits.
^Having played many games, I can say honestly that I've not had that happen but rarely. Usually the wanderers aren't that difficult early in the game. The more deadly creatures in lairs? Part of the key is not expanding your borders near enough to trigger them until you have high enough level heroes to take them down. With many of the monsters, that starts at level 7 with some decent equipment. Conversely, I've been known to set up an outpost next to a major rival city simply to trigger a monster, knowing that even if my outpost gets taken down their city might be next :) Go go Godzilla!!!
This forum http://forums.elementalgame.com/forum/1006 (http://forums.elementalgame.com/forum/1006) has some decent start-up ideas.
Quote from: Steelgrave on May 04, 2014, 03:35:47 PM
^Having played many games, I can say honestly that I've not had that happen but rarely. Usually the wanderers aren't that difficult early in the game. The more deadly creatures in lairs? Part of the key is not expanding your borders near enough to trigger them until you have high enough level heroes to take them down. With many of the monsters, that starts at level 7 with some decent equipment. Conversely, I've been known to set up an outpost next to a major rival city simply to trigger a monster, knowing that even if my outpost gets taken down their city might be next :) Go go Godzilla!!!
This forum http://forums.elementalgame.com/forum/1006 (http://forums.elementalgame.com/forum/1006) has some decent start-up ideas.
I haven only played today but have to say I haven't really since this either....if I think they are too strong, I have avoided making contact with them. Although it is very tempting to attack everything I see on the map:) I have to learn control....
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on May 04, 2014, 03:59:07 PM
Quote from: Steelgrave on May 04, 2014, 03:35:47 PM
^Having played many games, I can say honestly that I've not had that happen but rarely. Usually the wanderers aren't that difficult early in the game. The more deadly creatures in lairs? Part of the key is not expanding your borders near enough to trigger them until you have high enough level heroes to take them down. With many of the monsters, that starts at level 7 with some decent equipment. Conversely, I've been known to set up an outpost next to a major rival city simply to trigger a monster, knowing that even if my outpost gets taken down their city might be next :) Go go Godzilla!!!
This forum http://forums.elementalgame.com/forum/1006 (http://forums.elementalgame.com/forum/1006) has some decent start-up ideas.
I haven only played today but have to say I haven't really since this either....if I think they are too strong, I have avoided making contact with them. Although it is very tempting to attack everything I see on the map:) I have to learn control....
If you know the story of the old bull, the young bull, and the herd of cows....be the old bull 8)
There's a similar story about two roosters, one young and one old, and the young one's first day on the job at the henhouse. It ends a little differently...
Quote from: Staggerwing on May 04, 2014, 04:35:01 PM
There's a similar story about two roosters, one young and one old, and the young one's first day on the job at the henhouse. It ends a little differently...
Heh heh heh....I'm pretty sure I know the story ;)
Dumb question.....how the heck do you heal your troops, hero, and leaders? Couldn't figure out to heal them after getting damaged in battle.
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on May 04, 2014, 07:46:45 PM
Dumb question.....how the heck do you heal your troops, hero, and leaders? Couldn't figure out to heal them after getting damaged in battle.
You can use a healing spell or you can leave them idle in your territory. Not sure if they heal faster in a city or outpost or not.
Not positive either, but heroes seem to heal pretty well on their own. You can also feed them or purchase potions/scrolls. Troops? I usually send damaged units to the nearest town, swapping them out with fresh cannon fodder troops when possible.
Thanks guys...I'll give that a try....
My second game, I facing a severe shortage of Metal.. can only build archers :( ...
Is there a way to find out what other factions have? Can you 'trader' for resouces (I haven't done much in diplomacy at all yet.. lol.. Just declare war!
I just lost 2.5 hours playing my current campaign. I've started to clear out the surrounding hordes. I never realized that those strong/deadly monster never moved unless your ZoC triggered them. Had an uneventful war with the undead faction but they never even sent units my way. I didn't even know where their territory was until after the war was over. In a war with one of the Empires now. Same thing, not an enemy unit in sight. Bringing my armies back towards my capital so I can do a little reorganizing and upgrading, then I'm going to go smash the undead to my south.
Quote from: Tuna on May 04, 2014, 09:32:12 PM
My second game, I facing a severe shortage of Metal.. can only build archers :( ...
Is there a way to find out what other factions have? Can you 'trader' for resouces (I haven't done much in diplomacy at all yet.. lol.. Just declare war!
You can trade for resources and tech points. The better the other faction likes you, the better your trade prices will go. Besides your standing with your trading partner, they may also place more value on one resource, say horses, than another. Usually what I do is click on whatever they have that I want (usually tech points), see what value they place on what I want, then give them the equivalent in gold, tech points, resources, whatever I can spare that covers the price. Also, if you have enough gold, you can flat buy their tech points for cash, which is a useful way to spend excess gilder 8)
Speaking of diplomacy and trading, couple questions....and some miscellaneous.
1). Does the ai ever initiate trade and diplomacy discussions. Granted its early, but I haven't been approached by any factions yet. Just me asking them.
2). How do you get the factions to like you better? Every time I try diplomacy stuff, seems like it takes a lot to convince them. Is there things I can do to make their demands seem more reasonable?
3) if an enemy engages you in battle, before the actual battle begins, can you choose to retreat and run away? Didn't see an option for that.
4). While in tactical battle, any way to retreat instead of being forced to fight to the death of every unit?
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on May 05, 2014, 04:26:57 AM
Speaking of diplomacy and trading, couple questions....and some miscellaneous.
1). Does the ai ever initiate trade and diplomacy discussions. Granted its early, but I haven't been approached by any factions yet. Just me asking them.
2). How do you get the factions to like you better? Every time I try diplomacy stuff, seems like it takes a lot to convince them. Is there things I can do to make their demands seem more reasonable?
3) if an enemy engages you in battle, before the actual battle begins, can you choose to retreat and run away? Didn't see an option for that.
4). While in tactical battle, any way to retreat instead of being forced to fight to the death of every unit?
1) They approach me all the time, I forget what they offer, but they usually include tribute, doesn't seem tmo do much tome.
2) I'm usually declairing war! 8)
3) Some of them I've had the option to 'cancel', I think that's because my movement brought me onto their tile. I think if they attack, you can't cancel
4) During regular battles I haven't seen away. I got a 'scroll' that says something about leaving the battlefield (but I haven't used it yet, want to save it for a future use - I think scrolls are one time uses).
Finished my first game Saturday with a win so decided to start another and increased the AI to challenging from normal. Now I am limping along in second to last place! Definitely challenging!!
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on May 05, 2014, 04:26:57 AM
1). Does the ai ever initiate trade and diplomacy discussions. Granted its early, but I haven't been approached by any factions yet. Just me asking them.
Oh yeah, other factions do initiate deals and treaty discussions; it just generally takes them a while before they do so. It probably is indeed because it's early (at least in part) that they haven't done so yet.
Also, they seem to become more interested in talking to you when you have something to trade/sell to them. So once you begin to accumulate certain resources in quantity (such as iron, horses, etc.), you may find other factions wanting to chat with you more often. (At least, that's been my experience.)
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on May 05, 2014, 04:26:57 AM
2). How do you get the factions to like you better? Every time I try diplomacy stuff, seems like it takes a lot to convince them. Is there things I can do to make their demands seem more reasonable?
Even I find this tricky, and there sometimes seems to be a bit of "voodoo" involved at times. That being said, there's a couple things I've noticed:
1.) The stronger you are, the better terms you seem to be able to get.
2.) If you've given a faction favorable deals in the past (rather than just the bare minimum of what is needed for them to accept said deals), they seem to remember that on some level. ("Hey, he's not just a miserly old *&%*% who constantly pinches his pennies! Maybe he's not so bad...")
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on May 05, 2014, 04:26:57 AM
3) if an enemy engages you in battle, before the actual battle begins, can you choose to retreat and run away? Didn't see an option for that.
As
Tuna mentioned, I believe you can retreat when you're the attacker, but not if you're the defender.
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on May 05, 2014, 04:26:57 AM
4). While in tactical battle, any way to retreat instead of being forced to fight to the death of every unit?
Generally speaking, no you can't. (Incidentally, this covers one of the main issues I have with combat in this game -- that retreat isn't possible under normal circumstances.) However, you *can* withdraw from battle if you have a Sovereign or Champion with the "Cautious" trait. (Personally, I give this to trait to all my custom-designed Sovereigns.)
Quote from: Steelgrave on May 04, 2014, 09:56:47 PM
Quote from: Tuna on May 04, 2014, 09:32:12 PM
My second game, I facing a severe shortage of Metal.. can only build archers :( ...
Is there a way to find out what other factions have? Can you 'trader' for resouces (I haven't done much in diplomacy at all yet.. lol.. Just declare war!
You can trade for resources and tech points. The better the other faction likes you, the better your trade prices will go. Besides your standing with your trading partner, they may also place more value on one resource, say horses, than another. Usually what I do is click on whatever they have that I want (usually tech points), see what value they place on what I want, then give them the equivalent in gold, tech points, resources, whatever I can spare that covers the price. Also, if you have enough gold, you can flat buy their tech points for cash, which is a useful way to spend excess gilder 8)
I played a lil at lunch, but when I went into the trade talk, I did not see Metal as an option.. Gilder and techpoints.. but not really resources.. Do I have to do something to expand to resources? Wondering if I'm on a map where Metal mines are non existent!
Thanks for all the tips guys, hopefully I'll have time to play again in the near future.
Quote from: Tuna on May 05, 2014, 01:18:07 PM
Quote from: Steelgrave on May 04, 2014, 09:56:47 PM
Quote from: Tuna on May 04, 2014, 09:32:12 PM
My second game, I facing a severe shortage of Metal.. can only build archers :( ...
Is there a way to find out what other factions have? Can you 'trader' for resouces (I haven't done much in diplomacy at all yet.. lol.. Just declare war!
You can trade for resources and tech points. The better the other faction likes you, the better your trade prices will go. Besides your standing with your trading partner, they may also place more value on one resource, say horses, than another. Usually what I do is click on whatever they have that I want (usually tech points), see what value they place on what I want, then give them the equivalent in gold, tech points, resources, whatever I can spare that covers the price. Also, if you have enough gold, you can flat buy their tech points for cash, which is a useful way to spend excess gilder 8)
I played a lil at lunch, but when I went into the trade talk, I did not see Metal as an option.. Gilder and techpoints.. but not really resources.. Do I have to do something to expand to resources? Wondering if I'm on a map where Metal mines are non existent!
When you hit "propose trade", on the far right you should see, in order(top to bottom): Gildar, Crystal, Metal, Horses, Wargs, the three various techs, then diplomatic options. Except for diplomacy, you will only see items your potential trading partner has. So if they have no horses, horses won't be on the list. If you're not finding anyone with metal....that's weird. Unless you are early in game and haven't found many other players, of course.
Also, it's strange if you are not finding iron on the board. It's usually as common as any other resource.
Quote from: Steelgrave on May 05, 2014, 05:51:35 PM
Quote from: Tuna on May 05, 2014, 01:18:07 PM
Quote from: Steelgrave on May 04, 2014, 09:56:47 PM
Quote from: Tuna on May 04, 2014, 09:32:12 PM
My second game, I facing a severe shortage of Metal.. can only build archers :( ...
Is there a way to find out what other factions have? Can you 'trader' for resouces (I haven't done much in diplomacy at all yet.. lol.. Just declare war!
You can trade for resources and tech points. The better the other faction likes you, the better your trade prices will go. Besides your standing with your trading partner, they may also place more value on one resource, say horses, than another. Usually what I do is click on whatever they have that I want (usually tech points), see what value they place on what I want, then give them the equivalent in gold, tech points, resources, whatever I can spare that covers the price. Also, if you have enough gold, you can flat buy their tech points for cash, which is a useful way to spend excess gilder 8)
I played a lil at lunch, but when I went into the trade talk, I did not see Metal as an option.. Gilder and techpoints.. but not really resources.. Do I have to do something to expand to resources? Wondering if I'm on a map where Metal mines are non existent!
When you hit "propose trade", on the far right you should see, in order(top to bottom): Gildar, Crystal, Metal, Horses, Wargs, the three various techs, then diplomatic options. Except for diplomacy, you will only see items your potential trading partner has. So if they have no horses, horses won't be on the list. If you're not finding anyone with metal....that's weird. Unless you are early in game and haven't found many other players, of course.
Also, it's strange if you are not finding iron on the board. It's usually as common as any other resource.
Mostly I see 'clay pits'.. I think I have one stable.. maybe no one has anything!.. Anyways, I just found my first mound of Ore.. with a Pioneer in my group, so I will be staking my claim as soon as I sign in!
I actually found a 'cheat' online by accident. If you make some Militia with the clubs, you can update them to Maces with only a Gilder cost (No Metal).. so it's better than nothing in a pinch!
Ok.. I finally got into trade talks with someone who had metal, and yes it was listed on their side. Resources must just be 'rare' on this map. I'm loving this game!!!.. Question when you re-design Units, is there a way to 'rename' that unit? I create two units (One and Archer, the other a Grunt), but they both auto named to 'knight'.. It's kind of annoying, I wish I could rename my re-designs.. I don't see a spot to do that in the editor, except renaming them after they are created, which would be stupid.
But still, I'm really enjoying this game.. a bargain!
Quote from: Tuna on May 05, 2014, 08:38:43 PM
Ok.. I finally got into trade talks with someone who had metal, and yes it was listed on their side. Resources must just be 'rare' on this map. I'm loving this game!!!.. Question when you re-design Units, is there a way to 'rename' that unit? I create two units (One and Archer, the other a Grunt), but they both auto named to 'knight'.. It's kind of annoying, I wish I could rename my re-designs.. I don't see a spot to do that in the editor, except renaming them after they are created, which would be stupid.
But still, I'm really enjoying this game.. a bargain!
I believe you just highlight the part where they are already named and type in whatever you wish. I know it can be done, which is why I have Undead Dragoons wrecking havoc 8)
Cool that works in the last save dialog!.. Thanks.. I was looking all over for a 'rename' button, should've known it was so simple! 8)
On sale for $10 at humble bundle store. Go for it Gus!
...still planning to try for free...
Quote from: Shelldrake on May 08, 2014, 01:03:21 PM
On sale for $10 at humble bundle store. Go for it Gus!
Son of a gun should have waited:)
Got email today about patch 1.7
Arguably the biggest patch since Fallen Enchantress: Legendary Heroes' release more than a year ago, version 1.7 improves CPU-controlled factions' strategic acumen as well as introducing class-specific items for all five unique hero types, like Commander-only banners that boost the entire army's capabilities.
Download the patch free simply by signing into your Steam client.
Among other things, patch 1.7 includes:
Class-specific items – Commanders lead better than ever with unique banners, mages command the elements with new staves, and more
Significant AI improvements – AI rivals now develop their empires more effectively, for example through upgrading their outposts
Balancing across the board – Unrest modifiers have been tweaked to make sprawling empires less overwhelmingly powerful, and many unit and item stats have changed
Revamped army-strength logic – The method used for calculating army strength has been completely reworked, making evaluating threats easier for human and AI players alike
Much more – see full patch notes below.
Happy conquering!
Want to join the fun? Purchase Legendary Heroes directly from Stardock or through Steam.
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Legendary Heroes v1.7 Patch Notes
Features
Added support for class requirements on weapons, armor and items
Added the Banner of the Brave accessory, Army gets +1 Attack And +2 Defense, Commander only
Added Walderon's Banner accesory, Army gets +1 Moves and +2 Initiative, Commander only
Added the Banner of Zad-Zabril accesory, Army gets +25% Fire Resistance, Commander only
Added the Mage's Staff weapons, ranged lightning damage, Mage only
TONS of new conversations
Modders can now create map stamps with starting point locations saved in them
Balance
Adept's Robe is now Mage only and Defense increased from 1 to 2
Archmage's Robe is now Mage only and Defense increased from 5 to 6
Mage's Robe is now Mage only and Defense increased from 3 to 4
Impenetrable Tower Shield is now Defender only
Tectonic Bulwark is now Defender only
Shield of the Sentinel is now Defender only
Ring of Mastery is now Mage only
Wage costs are now proportional with group sizes (increased wage costs for larger groups)
Assassin's Blade is now Assassin only
Sharp Longsword is now Assassin only
Serrated Longsword is now Assassin only
Legendary Longsword is now Warrior only
Brutal Trog Scimitar is now Warrior only
Bashing Maul is now Warrior only
Relations penalty for ambitious civs reduced to -1 from -2
Relations requirements for treaties eased so that you can have unfriendly relations and still make treaties
City population reqs to level up reduced slightly
Towns provide slightly more money per turn
War monger player relations penalty goes away after 10 game years
Wildlands will start to spawn increasingly nasty monsters in the unknown areas of the world the longer they are left around
Capitar faction stores sell things for 20% off
Bell Tower unrest reduction changed from 10 to 5
Fortress production bonus reduced
Reduced odds of Bacco the Beggar quest coming up
Reduced odds of other various quests from coming up (the ones we see 30% of each game apiece are now 10%)
Final quest boss combat speed increased from 22 to 40, HP increased from 500 to 600.
Ranged weapons now convey an accuracy penalty (harder to hit something with a ranged weapon than a melee weapon)
Sovereign mana production reduced from 2 to 1
Town Halls reduced to -10 Unrest instead of -20
Reduced the production cost of Harbors
Fixes
Fixed the cause of 80% of the 1.6 crashes
Fixed bug that caused the battle initiation window to display the wrong battle rating for the armies
Fixed weird pathfinding bug that caused rivers to be extremely aggravating to deal with
Fixed splash damage on the Greatsword, Titanic Maul and Bashing Maul
Fixed an issue with a broken [OtherPlayer] tag in a dialog popup
Fixed the Master Archer ability
Fixed an issue where the wildland player could spawn champions
* Fixed an issue that could cause the AI to fail at casting summoning spells on some tactical maps
* Fixed an issue causing Grip of Winter to become permanent
AI
AI won't cast negative city enchantments on players it isn't at war with anymore
Fixed bug that caused the AI to overestimate the city defense value
Made AI smarter about declaring war based on if they are already at war
Fixed bug that would cause the AI to keep units in a city far more than they should
Fixed a bug that would cause the AI to send a unit out of the city when enemies were right there
AI upgrades its outposts
AI is more likely to go for the Spell of Mastery if they are dominating
Adjustments to the city calculation for dtermining whether a city is well defended or not
Fixed a bug that would cause the AI to try (and fail) to cast the same enchantment over and over again resulting in it not casting other strategic spells
AI can summon Arcane Monoliths
Fixed bug that would cause lots of strategic spells not to be cast due to it thinking their value was 0
Fixed a bug that caused the AI to cast expensive tactical spells even when it wasn't supposed to
Modified AI priorities of numerous city improvements
Full, completely rewritten battle ranking system for more accurate measurements of a unit's actual lethality
Fixed an issue keeping the AI from declaring war
Nice patch! I guess I need to start another game and see how it is.
This is a great game. Haven't played for awhile. Looks like it's time to fire it up again!
Quote from: bbmike on July 24, 2014, 05:36:12 PM
Nice patch! I guess I need to start another game and see how it is.
Quote from: Rayfer on July 24, 2014, 05:54:26 PM
This is a great game. Haven't played for awhile. Looks like it's time to fire it up again!
I second both statements. :) I know what I'm playing this weekend!
New battleground dlc today and if you buy from stardock directly you can get for 2.50 using the stardock50 code...last day for it though
I need to squeeze this in somewhere between AoW3, Shadow of Mordor, and Dragon Age.
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on November 25, 2014, 07:21:56 PM
New battleground dlc today and if you buy from stardock directly you can get for 2.50 using the stardock50 code...last day for it though
Thanks for the discount code, picked up the DLC.
The Battlegrounds DLC also coincides with the new 1.8 update (http://forums.elementalgame.com/459588). Time to fire up a new campaign! O0
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Features
Added the ability for monster lairs to pull from a few random configurations of monsters, instead of always having the exact same monsters. (ex: instead of always having 3 Ruffians at a Ruffian Camp, sometimes it will have 3 Ruffians, sometimes 2 Ruffians and a Wolf and sometimes 2 Ruffians and Barren's Witch).
Added the Barrens Witch unit. This unit is a spellcaster who can heal allies, curse enemies and cast contagion. She can often be found aiding bandit camps, or in larger covens in service to demons.
Added the Gilden Lion unit. This unit a strong fire elemental that does fire damage, including burning anyone that attacks it. Like other types of fire elementals it is vulnerable to cold. It shares the speed and high dodge of the cats it resembles, and gets an Attack bonus against Champions. It is typically found in service to Wilding Shamans or around ancient desert temples.
Added the Obsidian Legion unit. These are powerful warriors wield 2 scimitars and gain a charge each time they are struck in battle. If they get at least 5 charges they go into a frenzy that gives them 3 free immediate actions. It is good to kill them quickly. The Obsidian Legion are mercenary's and though they can occasionally be found in their own forts they can also be found working for Syndicate or more powerful organizations.
Added the Malayan Devilman unit. They claim to be ambassadors from a distant continent. They are powerful fire casters, lobbing flame waves and fireballs with equal ease. They have no stronghold of their own but can sometimes be found meeting with other creatures like the Brood, Dark Wizards and Demons. It may be worth skipping a mnster lair if a Malayan Devilman is in their ranks. Or at least be sure to bring some protection against fire magic.
Added the Darkling Overseer unit. Only found in the largest gatherings of Darklings the Overseer grants bonuses to his entire Darkling Army. A horde of Darklings can be a nuicance, headed by an Overseer they are much more dangerous.
Added the Coal Golem unit. Like the rest of his kind this Golem is a sturdy, if not slow, unit. But the fire burning in this one gives him a unique vulnerability. If he is struck 3 or more times he will explode, doing damages to anyone with 2 tiles of him, ally or enemy. They can also breath out a choking gas that blinds and poisons nearby units. Coal Golem's are fairly rare and used by other armies when more reliable golems aren't available (sometimes to their misfortune).
Balance
Stalkers gain +5 Attack vs champions.
Plaguestalkers gain +10 Attack vs champions.
Increased later game tech costs slightly
Increase Improvement costs slightly
I picked up the latest DLC yesterday. I am anxious to see the new battlegrounds so I will also be starting a new campaign tonight. :)