More Machinations: Nemea, July 394 BC

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Apparently, not a lot is known about this battle.  I blame Xenophon since I suspect his Hellenica is the only source for this battle.

The Theban allies of Corinth, apparently deployed their now rather antiquated ploy of thickening the phalanxes.  The Spartans and their allies went with the
even more antiquated ploy of thinning out their phalanxes to outflank.  It looks to me like they overdid it, but they won this battle by rolling up
the enemy from the right just as I had the Athenians do in the ahistorical outcome for Delium.

  So same machinations, bigger armies.  But Aristodemus is the only commander worth any rout points.  And no wonder.  At 2 Chrisma he is twice as chrismatic as any other leader on the field. 

And here it is, old, but still a classic, Nemea:


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Quote from: MengJiao on July 26, 2014, 11:06:38 AM

Apparently, not a lot is known about this battle.  I blame Xenophon since I suspect his Hellenica is the only source for this battle.

The Theban allies of Corinth, apparently deployed their now rather antiquated ploy of thickening the phalanxes.  The Spartans and their allies went with the
even more antiquated ploy of thinning out their phalanxes to outflank.  It looks to me like they overdid it, but they won this battle by rolling up
the enemy from the right just as I had the Athenians do in the ahistorical outcome for Delium.

  So same machinations, bigger armies.  But Aristodemus is the only commander worth any rout points.  And no wonder.  At 2 Chrisma he is twice as chrismatic as any other leader on the field. 

And here it is, old, but still a classic, Nemea:

  In true hoplite form, everybody carries out their plans -- sort of.  The Spartans come forward at  disciplined trot and even the Tegeans tag along looking like they know what they are doing.
  The Athenians roll up at a run in one case and on the Spartan right do some serious colliding.  Then for some reason the rest all walk up and leave the running Athenians hanging out pretty badly.  This is not going to end well for the Athenians on the Spartan right (and it didn't historically either):

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Quote from: MengJiao on July 26, 2014, 01:37:51 PM
Quote from: MengJiao on July 26, 2014, 11:06:38 AM

Apparently, not a lot is known about this battle.  I blame Xenophon since I suspect his Hellenica is the only source for this battle.

The Theban allies of Corinth, apparently deployed their now rather antiquated ploy of thickening the phalanxes.  The Spartans and their allies went with the
even more antiquated ploy of thinning out their phalanxes to outflank.  It looks to me like they overdid it, but they won this battle by rolling up
the enemy from the right just as I had the Athenians do in the ahistorical outcome for Delium.

  So same machinations, bigger armies.  But Aristodemus is the only commander worth any rout points.  And no wonder.  At 2 Chrisma he is twice as chrismatic as any other leader on the field. 

And here it is, old, but still a classic, Nemea:

  In true hoplite form, everybody carries out their plans -- sort of.  The Spartans come forward at  disciplined trot and even the Tegeans tag along looking like they know what they are doing.
  The Athenians roll up at a run in one case and on the Spartan right do some serious colliding.  Then for some reason the rest all walk up and leave the running Athenians hanging out pretty badly.  This is not going to end well for the Athenians on the Spartan right (and it didn't historically either):

  And at the end of Turn 1 -- the Theban right has busted up the Spartans on schedule.  The wing commander and his troops punched a hole in the Spartan line and the Spartans have a command problem on that side because that break in the line cuts the transmission of command beyond the basic radius. 

Here's the big picture:


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Quote from: MengJiao on July 26, 2014, 02:46:15 PM

  And at the end of Turn 1 -- the Theban right has busted up the Spartans on schedule.  The wing commander and his troops punched a hole in the Spartan line and the Spartans have a command problem on that side because that break in the line cuts the transmission of command beyond the basic radius. 


  Middle of Turn 2.  Two out of 4 hoplite commands have crashed onward into action.  The extreme left of the Spartans is falling apart pretty fast.  Part is out of command control and the most coherent remainders are likely to go on trotting off into a void.  Meanwhile the Spartan right, while doing some damage and about to do a lot more, is not rolling up the enemy all that fast:


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Quote from: MengJiao on July 26, 2014, 07:16:41 PM
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  Middle of Turn 2.  Two out of 4 hoplite commands have crashed onward into action.  The extreme left of the Spartans is falling apart pretty fast.  Part is out of command control and the most coherent remainders are likely to go on trotting off into a void.  Meanwhile the Spartan right, while doing some damage and about to do a lot more, is not rolling up the enemy all that fast:

  And the beginning of Turn 3.  I think the Thebans are ahead, if only because they have 10 points more til they rout in toto and routs are equal more or less so far.


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Quote from: MengJiao on July 26, 2014, 09:31:31 PM
Quote from: MengJiao on July 26, 2014, 07:16:41 PM
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  Middle of Turn 2.  Two out of 4 hoplite commands have crashed onward into action.  The extreme left of the Spartans is falling apart pretty fast.  Part is out of command control and the most coherent remainders are likely to go on trotting off into a void.  Meanwhile the Spartan right, while doing some damage and about to do a lot more, is not rolling up the enemy all that fast:

  And the beginning of Turn 3.  I think the Thebans are ahead, if only because they have 10 points more til they rout in toto and routs are equal more or less so far.

And...no big surprise the routs went along pretty evenly and the Spartans routed at 55 and the Thebans -- whose rout point was 65 -- won.

I must have a battle with some Persians in it.  Cunaxa will do!