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Gusington

@JH - yessir.

My brigade is the 56th. It was originally formed in 1917 to protect the water supply and actually suffered some serious casualties in 1918 from the flu epidemic.
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JudgeDredd

Quote from: Gusington on September 04, 2014, 07:09:27 AM
@JH - yessir.

My brigade is the 56th. It was originally formed in 1917 to protect the water supply and actually suffered some serious casualties in 1918 from the flu epidemic.
Gus - shut the hell up and get back in line  :D
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undercovergeek

Quote from: Gusington on September 04, 2014, 07:09:27 AM
@JH - yessir.

My brigade is the 56th. It was originally formed in 1917 to protect the water supply and actually suffered some serious casualties in 1918 from the flu epidemic.

what from

BanzaiCat

Quote from: undercovergeek on September 04, 2014, 07:25:48 AM
Quote from: Gusington on September 04, 2014, 07:09:27 AM
@JH - yessir.

My brigade is the 56th. It was originally formed in 1917 to protect the water supply and actually suffered some serious casualties in 1918 from the flu epidemic.

what from

Why, the dastardly dirty Hun infiltrator, sir!

airboy

Quote from: undercovergeek on September 03, 2014, 03:25:11 PM
So the national guard units have a loyalty to the state governor and not the president?

Another interesting case of State/Local control of the National Guard was during the Eisenhour Administration and the desegration of schools in Little Rock, Arkansas. 

From Wikipedia: "In 1957, the state of Arkansas refused to honor a federal court order to integrate their public school system stemming from the Brown decision. Eisenhower demanded that Arkansas governor Orval Faubus obey the court order. When Faubus balked, the president placed the Arkansas National Guard under federal control and sent in the 101st Airborne Division. They escorted and protected nine black students' entry to Little Rock Central High School, an all-white public school, for the first time since the Reconstruction era.  Martin Luther King, Jr. wrote to Eisenhower to thank him for his actions, writing "The overwhelming majority of southerners, Negro and white, stand firmly behind your resolute action to restore law and order in Little Rock"

This is one of the clearest examples of the command structure of the US National Guard.

bayonetbrant

Quote from: undercovergeek on September 04, 2014, 07:25:48 AM
Quote from: Gusington on September 04, 2014, 07:09:27 AM
@JH - yessir.

My brigade is the 56th. It was originally formed in 1917 to protect the water supply and actually suffered some serious casualties in 1918 from the flu epidemic.

what from

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Centurion40

Quote from: bayonetbrant on September 03, 2014, 03:41:11 PM
Come to Origins next year, buy me a beer, and I'll tell you all about it.  Typing it all out just makes my hands hurt.  And my head.  You don't even want to get into states where the senior military officer in the National Guard is a state-wide elected official...

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Y'all and yer elections!!  ::)
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Gusington

Indeed - Hun saboteurs. Of which there were none. But there was flu...
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LongBlade

Quote from: undercovergeek on September 03, 2014, 03:59:50 PM
so in laymans terms/limeys terms ( :P) the people can vote for the commander of a governors personal army who have no loyalty to the President?

Our government (used to be) based on checks and balances.
All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost;
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Deep roots are not reached by the frost.

Centurion40

And popularity contests!  ;) :P
Any time is a good time for pie.

bayonetbrant

Quote from: airboy on September 04, 2014, 08:00:51 AM
Quote from: undercovergeek on September 03, 2014, 03:25:11 PM
So the national guard units have a loyalty to the state governor and not the president?

Another interesting case of State/Local control of the National Guard was during the Eisenhour Administration and the desegration of schools in Little Rock, Arkansas. 

From Wikipedia: "In 1957, the state of Arkansas refused to honor a federal court order to integrate their public school system stemming from the Brown decision. Eisenhower demanded that Arkansas governor Orval Faubus obey the court order. When Faubus balked, the president placed the Arkansas National Guard under federal control and sent in the 101st Airborne Division. They escorted and protected nine black students' entry to Little Rock Central High School, an all-white public school, for the first time since the Reconstruction era.  Martin Luther King, Jr. wrote to Eisenhower to thank him for his actions, writing "The overwhelming majority of southerners, Negro and white, stand firmly behind your resolute action to restore law and order in Little Rock"

This is one of the clearest examples of the command structure of the US National Guard.


Interestingly, today is the anniversary of that action

https://www.facebook.com/amightygirl/photos/a.360833590619627.72897.316489315054055/730743913628591/

QuoteOn this day in 1957, 15-year-old Elizabeth Eckford encountered an angry mob when she attempted to enter Little Rock Central High School in Little Rock, Arkansas. Eckford was one of nine teenagers, known as the Little Rock Nine, who became the first African American students to attend the previously all-white Little Rock Central High School after the U.S. Supreme Court ruled school segregation unconstitutional in its famous Brown v. Board of Education decision.

While the nine students had planned to enter the school together, the meeting place was changed the night before and Eckford, whose family did not have a telephone, did not learn about the change of plans. As a result, she attempted to enter the school alone through a mob of 400 angry segregationists and a blockage by the Arkansas National Guard, which the pro-segregationist governor, Orval Faubus, had ordered to block the students in violation of the Supreme Court decision.

Due to the line of soldiers blockading the school and threats from the crowd, Eckford was forced to flee to a bus stop. As she sat at the bus stop crying, New York Times reporter Benjamin Fine consoled the scared girl, telling her "don't let them see you cry." Civil rights activist Grace Lorch, who had learned that Eckford had arrived separately from the other students, then arrived to escort her home.

In response to Eckford and the other students being blocked from the school, Little Rock Mayor Woodrow Wilson Mann asked President Eisenhower to send federal troops to protect the students. To enforce desegregation, Eisenhower sent the US Army's 101st Airborne Division to Little Rock and federalized the entire Arkansas National Guard to remove control from the governor. The Little Rock Nine were able to start school by the end of September. Although soldiers were deployed at the school for the entire year, many of the students experienced physical and verbal abuse, including Eckford who at one point was pushed down the stairs.

The governor continued to fight integration and, the following year -- in what came to be known as the "Lost Year" -- ordered Little Rock's four high schools closed rather than allow it to continue. As a result, Eckford did not graduate from Central High but took correspondence courses to complete her degree. Eckford and the rest of the Little Rock Nine were awarded the Spingarn Medal by the NAACP and she later received a BA in history at Central State University in Wilberforce, Ohio.

The famous photograph pictured here shows Elizabeth Eckford on September 4, 1957 as she walked alone through a mob to Central High. Taken by Will Counts, it was a runner-up for the Pulitzer Prize for Photography. The young woman shouting in the photo, Hazel Massery, apologized to Eckford and the two made amends at a 40th anniversary celebration of the school's integration.

The story of Eckford and Massery is also told in the fascinating book for adult readers "Elizabeth and Hazel: Two Women of Little Rock" (http://amzn.to/1r9xsOS).

For an excellent autobiography by another member of the Little Rock Nine, Melba Pattillo Beals, for ages 12 and up, we highly recommend "Warriors Don't Cry: A Searing Memoir of the Battle to Integrate Little Rock's Central High" at http://www.amightygirl.com/warriors-don-t-cry

For a compelling fictional account of the tumultuous school integration of 1950s Little Rock for readers 10 to 13, check out "Lions of Little Rock" at http://www.amightygirl.com/the-lions-of-little-rock

Daisy Bates, the organizer of the Little Rock Nine group, has also written a memoir "The Long Shadow of Little Rock: A Memoir" for ages 13 and up at http://www.amightygirl.com/the-long-shadow-of-little-rock

Nobel Prize-winning author Toni Morrison has also written an excellent account of the movement for desegregation. Filled with stirring stories and archival photographs, "Remember: The Journey to School Integration" is highly recommended for ages 8 to 14 at http://www.amightygirl.com/remember-the-journey-to-school-integration

For several books and a film about Ruby Bridges, the first African American child to desegregate an all-white elementary school in the US South, visit http://www.amightygirl.com/character-collection/historical-characters-2?cat=644
The key to surviving this site is to not say something which ends up as someone's tag line - Steelgrave

"their citizens (all of them counted as such) glorified their mythology of 'rights'...and lost track of their duties. No nation, so constituted, can endure." Robert Heinlein, Starship Troopers