201st Anniversary of Borodino approaches

Started by Boggit, September 06, 2013, 04:54:19 PM

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Boggit

It's current as an anniversary, but also history, so apologies if I've started this thread in the wrong place.

7th September 2013 will be 201st anniversary of one of the bloodiest battles of the Napoleonic wars. The battle of Smolensk 1812, less than a month before resulted in about 24,000 (roughly 30%) casualties of the forces engaged http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Smolensk_(1812) , but Borodino was far bloodier, since both armies were fully engaged, resulting in about 100,000 casualties (roughly 33%) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Borodino . It was the last major action before the capture of Moscow, and Napoleon's disasterous retreat from Russia.

I was reminded of the battle when I saw Naxzul666' video - an outstanding Napoleon Total War documentary of the battle. FWIW Naxzul666 spent some 3 months working on this, and it hit the NTW spot for me. IIRC correctly, Naxzul666 is a regular on the TWC forums, and has produced many videos there. The subtitles, and voice acting is French, but is fairly obvious I suspect for non-French speakers. Mods used are included at the end.
Enjoy... 8)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DghLG16SeSQ
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Martok

Argh!! 

QuoteThis video contains content from UMG and EMI, one or more of whom have blocked it in your country on copyright grounds.

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Boggit

Quote from: Martok on September 07, 2013, 12:02:42 PM
Argh!! 

QuoteThis video contains content from UMG and EMI, one or more of whom have blocked it in your country on copyright grounds.
I've had that happen before on youtube. It's a pain. I'd try going into the youtube.com and selecting the 'world' location rather than the national specific. It seems a bizarre reason to stop you. The copyright author, i.e. Naxzul666 has used music on which copyright will have long since expired - classical, and Napoleonic marches, and such inclusion is in the scheme of things very small. I hate it when large media companies abuse intellectual property law this way. The author has deliberately but his own work in the public domain.

I tried the link again, but had no problems. Has anyone else had this problem?
The most shocking fact about war is that its victims and its instruments are individual human beings, and that these individual beings are condemned by the monstrous conventions of politics to murder or be murdered in quarrels not their own. Aldous Huxley

Foul Temptress! (Mirth replying to Gus) ;)

On a good day, our legislature has the prestige of a drunk urinating on a wall at 4am and getting most of it on his shoe. On a good day  ::) Steelgrave

It's kind of silly to investigate whether or not a Clinton is lying. That's sort of like investigating why the sky is blue. Banzai_Cat

Staggerwing

FWIW, many professional musicians, especially orchestras, will claim that the rights to a particular performance are theirs even if the music is in the public domain.
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Boggit

Quote from: Staggerwing on September 08, 2013, 06:54:44 PM
FWIW, many professional musicians, especially orchestras, will claim that the rights to a particular performance are theirs even if the music is in the public domain.
Fair enough, but it's pretty pointless in this case, since it is non-commercial.

In the EU, at any rate, there are exceptions to copyright infringement where the use is within the "Fair Dealing" ambit like Research or private study, reporting current events, criticism and review. The most probable exception to which this idea applies is the exception for Broadcasts and cablecasts, specifically for free public showings, where there is NO infringement of copyright. See W.R. Cornish, Intellectual Property, 4th Edition at p438, at 11-47 re the Copyright, Designs, and Patents Act 1988. I really do wonder if some of the lawyers advising these companies actually studied IP law, or were awake during lectures. Clearly not. >:(

Anyway, there probably is approximately similar law in the US too, to protect people from companies seeking to prevent legitimate uses of material. In this case it seems they are using - if they're honest - a ridiculous argument, most probably unfounded in law. Perhaps one of the US lawyers on the forum can state the position in the US. I'd be surprised if there weren't exceptions to IP infringement of a similar nature.
The most shocking fact about war is that its victims and its instruments are individual human beings, and that these individual beings are condemned by the monstrous conventions of politics to murder or be murdered in quarrels not their own. Aldous Huxley

Foul Temptress! (Mirth replying to Gus) ;)

On a good day, our legislature has the prestige of a drunk urinating on a wall at 4am and getting most of it on his shoe. On a good day  ::) Steelgrave

It's kind of silly to investigate whether or not a Clinton is lying. That's sort of like investigating why the sky is blue. Banzai_Cat

Boggit

@martok :)

Is access to the video still a problem? If it is I'll try to find another way round it. I've just clicked on the link and had no problems, but I'm in a different country. It's a cracking good docu using the NTW system to illustrate it.
The most shocking fact about war is that its victims and its instruments are individual human beings, and that these individual beings are condemned by the monstrous conventions of politics to murder or be murdered in quarrels not their own. Aldous Huxley

Foul Temptress! (Mirth replying to Gus) ;)

On a good day, our legislature has the prestige of a drunk urinating on a wall at 4am and getting most of it on his shoe. On a good day  ::) Steelgrave

It's kind of silly to investigate whether or not a Clinton is lying. That's sort of like investigating why the sky is blue. Banzai_Cat

Martok

Sorry, I still can't see it.  (I double-checked, and my location is set to worldwide.)  :-\ 

"Like we need an excuse to drink to anything..." - Banzai_Cat
"I like to think of it not as an excuse but more like Pavlovian Response." - Sir Slash

"At our ages, they all look like jailbait." - mirth

"If we had lines here that would have crossed all of them. For the 1,077,986th time." - Gusington

"Government is so expensive that it should at least be entertaining." - airboy

"As long as there's bacon, everything will be all right." - Toonces