Is Italy Crazy, or Is There More To This Story?

Started by bayonetbrant, October 22, 2012, 03:12:56 PM

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bayonetbrant

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2012/10/22/italy-earthquake-scientists-trial.html

QuoteItalian scientists guilty of manslaughter in 2009 earthquake
Experts sentenced to six years in prison for insufficiently warning victims


Seven scientists and experts on trial for manslaughter linked to an earthquake in Italy that killed more than 300 people have been convicted and sentenced to six years in prison, a court has ruled.

The victims of the earthquake in L'Aquila have also been awarded between €40,000 to €450,000 ($52,000 to $584,000 Cdn), said freelance journalist Megan Williams.

Italian prosecutors say that the scientists gave inaccurate and incomplete information about whether smaller tremors before the April 2009 quake should have been grounds for an official warning.

The 6.9 magnitude earthquake left 309 people dead and injured more than 1,500 others.

Judge Marco Billi took slightly more than four hours to reach the verdict, the BBC reported.

In Italy, convictions aren't definitive until after an appeals trial, so it is unlikely any of the defendants would face jail immediately.

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Sigma One

I believe the issue here is that while mostly earthquakes are hard to predict, aftershocks, tremors, and even another earthquake can quickly happen. What the scientists here did was give the all-clear despite the high probability of additional tremors and shocks, which caused everyone to return to the crowded trouble areas and the rest is history.

Although its a bit odd to charge people with manslaughter over acts of nature such as this.

besilarius

Very few mad scientists are characterised as having Italian accents.
"Most gods throw dice, but Fate plays chess, and you don't find out until too late that he's been playing with two queens all along".  Terry Pratchett.

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Staggerwing

#3
What about Dr. Emilio Lizardo?
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LongBlade

Why else do we have scientists except to flog them when they don't predict earthquakes?

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TheCommandTent

Everyone is always looking to blame someone.  You would think they could just penalize them professionally instead of locking them up.
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besilarius

Mussolini lives!
Now the earthquakes will run on time.
"Most gods throw dice, but Fate plays chess, and you don't find out until too late that he's been playing with two queens all along".  Terry Pratchett.

During filming of Airplane, Leslie Nielsen used a whoopee cushion to keep the cast off-balance. Hays said that Nielsen "played that thing like a maestro"

Tallulah Bankhead: "I'll come and make love to you at five o'clock. If I'm late, start without me."

"When all other trusts fail, turn to Flashman." — Abraham Lincoln.

"I have enjoyed very warm relations with my two husbands."
"With your eyes closed?"
"That helped."  Lauren Bacall

Master Chiefs are sneaky, dastardly, and snarky miscreants who thrive on the tears of Ensigns and belly dancers.   Admiral Gerry Bogan.

LongBlade

All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost;
The old that is strong does not wither,
Deep roots are not reached by the frost.

airboy

I read about this in the Wall St. Journal today.

The obvious outcome if this verdict stands is to either:
a] refuse to make any predictions of anything of consequence
or
b] at the slightest sign predict the greatest cataclism possible

The WSJ story said that various weather forecasters in the USA have been sued on similar grounds and that every case was either tossed before trial or lost in trial.

On the other hand, Obama spent more than $800 million on a stimulus that did not deliver the goods.  Should his 2009 economic team be sent to prision if they were Italians?

Con

Don't want to derail this thread but saw a good article on the stimulus that is based on all the numbers and I would say that his economic team would not get convicted based evidence

http://www.pitbulleconomics.com/stimulus.pdf

Con

Longdan

There is a different outlook on responsibility in a lot of places overseas.
People who on this side of the water may be protected by their government
or corporation like air traffic controllers and railroad or highway workers
can be held personally liable for negligence in many European juridictions.
On the main topic.. Italy may be judged to be crazy.  My opinion only but.....
How many governments have they elected and unelected since the return
of democracy?  And Silvio Berlusconi?  The guy could be a guest on Jerry Springer.
"How I turned my country's government into a stag party with lots of corruption,
scandal and plenty of HOT CHICS!!"
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