Moral Facts, and Why A Bunch of Y'all Are About To Agree With The NY Times

[Steelgrave]

I agreed with the New York Times once. They issued an apology over something or the other. I'm pretty sure it's the only time they've apologized and the only time I agreed with them.   O0

[GDS_Starfury]

Boobs are fact and opinion.

[MetalDog]

Boobs are fact and opinion.

Hence, YOUR existence.

[GDS_Starfury]

Boobs are fact and opinion.

Hence, YOUR existence.

another pun.  ::)

[MetalDog]

I just called you a boob.  How is that a pun?

[GDS_Starfury]

[JasonPratt]

The rest is just sophistry.  There are no moral facts.

In your opinion. ;)

[Windigo]

"In summary, our public schools teach students that all claims are either facts or opinions and that all value and moral claims fall into the latter camp. The punchline: there are no moral facts. And if there are no moral facts, then there are no moral truths."

So whats his problem? There are no moral facts/moral truths; only standards, traditions, laws, protocols and guidelines. It should be totally apparent.

If I understand what he states as the symptoms of the problem (immorality, unethical behaviour), then, IMO,  the problem lies with people's elastic and hypocritical moral/belief systems.

e.g., its wrong to kill in general, but its OK under situations A, B, C, etc...
or, taking something of value without paying for it = theft, but I'll bit-torrent 100 movies because hollywood is a bunch of greedy leftist bastards

When I hear someone talk about moral truths, my eyes roll over and I prepare to be lectured by someone who is going to give me a faith-based arguement.