Batman vs Superman Trailer Leaked Online...

[bayonetbrant]

People need to stop going to Zack Snyder movies. Seriously, the guy makes Michael Bay look like a goddamn genius.

Michael Bay's storytelling is often jingoistic, but his primary problem isn't storytelling, it's the fascination with cameramen suffering from Parkinson's, as though somehow surviving his movies without overdosing on Dramamine is a twisted badge of honor or something

[Arctic Blast]

I really don't understand all the hate aimed at this flick... except for the too long business; that's bang on! I thought that Affleck was fine. They did a good job portraying how Batman became fearful of Superman and began to plot against him. Jessie as Luthor was better than I ever thought possible.

I guess that haters are gonna hate. Purists are gonna hate too. I'm neither when it comes to the Justice League.

I can't speak to this movie, but the biggest issue is that Snyder clearly doesn't understand his subject material. Superman is supposed to be a beacon of hope. Instead, in Man of Steel, we got a petulant, brooding, dark character who may as well have been a second Batman, and who engaged in a fight that wantonly killed probably thousands of people without a care. Again, totally against character, since Superman's biggest weakness is the fact that he goes out of his way to save lives.

Snyder was a horrible choice for DC to hitch their wagon to. Most of the people I know who have seen this hated it precisely because it ignores the characters and their backstory and does the same ridiculously humorless, grim-dark nonsense that is all that Snyder is capable of doing (of course, he fails at this as well, since he tries so hard to be dark and brooding that it comes off like the writings of a 15 year old boy having a bad day).

[BanzaiCat]

Instead, in Man of Steel, we got a petulant, brooding, dark character who may as well have been a second Batman, and who engaged in a fight that wantonly killed probably thousands of people without a care.

I'm by NO means a DC fanboi in the least, but what you say here is exactly why I had a major issue with Man of Steel. Issues, actually.

The Superman I grew up with was Christopher Reeve. His Superman character in Superman II (which is pretty much parallel with Man of Steel, with Zod and the showdown and etc.) took the fight as far from the city as he could, when he saw people were suffering. Thing is too, even in the DC cartoons and the few DC comics I've read with Superman in them, this characterization is pretty much him in a nutshell. There's variations, sure, but nothing ever even close to going over the line and turning the city into Stalingrad: The Sequel.  ::)

I'd still like to see this movie. I've made peace with Affleck playing Batman. I really don't like the Superman they've created. I'm hoping that this is some kind of major story arc across several pictures that will see Superman becoming much less petulant and more promising.

Who knows. I have far more buy-in with the Marvel universe right now, as does 97% of most of moviegoers, I imagine. If DC wants to capture the imagination of the world, they need to clean up this stinking middle-school bathroom of schlock they've created. Since I've seen generally positive reviews of BvS so far and a whopping 9.4/10 on IMDB, I'm hoping they've finally figured out how to do that, but I'm not convinced they can stay the course.

[GDS_Starfury]

that fight was somewhat tied to the little issue of the world engine thing pounding the city into rubble though.

[JasonPratt]

The world engine that could have been, and was, stopped by only stopping one side, meaning Supes could have been saving people and minimizing damage in Metropolis while Lois Lane (??) and sundry people EventHorizon'd the local half of the engine. Dramatic and thematic tension could have been built from the Kryptonians trying to mess with Superman while he helps people (and fails to do so on occasion because of interference); and that would explain better why an army of Krypts leveling up to Superstatus couldn't stop the puny humans blowing the half of the engine directly threatening people.

Once the engine is shut down, Superman would have been freed up to fight the renegades directly -- and maybe be pissed enough at the deaths they had caused he had failed to save, to grant him more leeway at smashing things in the fight. Alexander Hamilton meanwhile could have been working on a way to red sun the renegades to capture and legitimately imprison them. (If I recall correctly he's sacrificed to the plot instead.)

I do grant the actual film some credit, in that Kal does try hard at first to knock Zod out of the city rather than fight him there. A little creative editing or a few extra fx shots could have shown more clearly that Kal was scoping evacuated buildings during the fight rather than slamming Zod apparently at random into things; there's some evidence that that idea was intended but it came across too vaguely -- in the midst of such overwhelming visuals it's easy for an audience to miss ultra-subtle clues.

And I'll also say that the movie dang well delivers on superbattle spectacle. Aside from the artistic choice to desaturate everything, my main complaints are in goofy characterization and plot choices. I'm not really against a devastating catastrophe (two actually, including Smallville) which Superman failed to prevent; but I think they could have done better in plotting what happened.

Couldn't get to the new movie this weekend, but I do intend to see it at least once in theaters.  O:-)

[OJsDad]

Sounds like the movie had a great opening weekend.  Now the question will be if they're telling they're friends to go now, and how many will make a second trip to see it at full price. 

[mirth]

I've talked to folks who have seen it and liked it. Apparently it delivers what one would want; an epic fight between Bats and Supes.

[JudgeDredd]

My daughter and I went to see it last night - full of trepidation given the word on the street. But we came out feeling entertained. We reckoned we'd have given it between 6 and 7 on IMDB (and closer to 7).

The story did seem a bit manic. There were definitely parts that could've been shorter and parts that should've been longer. But overall, we enjoyed it.

Don't go with huge expectations and you may come away with a wee smile...not Deadpool style, but a smile none-the-less.

Bear in mind though that we are not comic book fans.  I remember the Batman TV series from a kid and I enjoyed pretty much most of the Batman movies (preferring the darker Dark Knight series). I also remember the Superman films from the 70s (you really will believe a man can fly...remember that tag line?)...but I was never a Superman or Batman comic reader...so we know nothing really about the universe or how their paths can even cross.

So perhaps that's how we came away feeling entertained.

[bayonetbrant]

http://www.cosmicbooknews.com/content/batman-vs-superman-suffers-worst-drop-any-super-hero-movie#axzz44OWZpwUL

[JudgeDredd]

Well, that seems to be a "stats" guy's wet dream.

I see some superb films there with huge drop offs....Winter Soldier? Age of Ultron? The Dark Knight Rises? All in the top ten and yet there are others with significantly lower drops offs...The Green Lantern? Ghost Rider? Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles?

Come on Seriously? We're going to judge films based on "drop off" values when the significant portion of the top ten are great films and a significant portion of the bottom ten are shite?

I try not to put too much weight on numbers and I definitely try (unsuccessfully sometimes) to ignore other peoples opinions of movies...or at least try and gain a balanced view.

As I said - me and the kid left the cinema entertained. That's all I can really pass on. Aficionados of the comics and timeline may well see huge plot holes and issues...hell, I saw some things that didn't make much sense.

[mirth]

It's not to judge the movie, but Warner Bros. is in some trouble if BvS doesn't have staying power. The estimates are that in needs to make at least $900 million for the studio to break even. It had a great opening, but it's world-wide box office is just shy of $500 mil. It could still end up a money loser for Warner.

[undercovergeek]

but sooooooooooooooooo many toys at christmas

and lego batman v superman

[undercovergeek]

saw an interview on a UK chat show with them both last night and it was very peculiar in that Ben Affleck definitely seemed he felt inferior to Henry Cavill in the discussion - like 'this is fkng superman here' - oddly entertaining and Cavill knew it too - he was all pumped and 'im superman' affleck never once retorted with 'yeah, but im batman'

[JudgeDredd]

lol

[JudgeDredd]

It's not to judge the movie, but Warner Bros. is in some trouble if BvS doesn't have staying power. The estimates are that in needs to make at least $900 million for the studio to break even. It had a great opening, but it's world-wide box office is just shy of $500 mil. It could still end up a money loser for Warner.

I don't understand the 900mil figure? I thought the budget was 400mil? I get they have to make a profit - but where did 900mil come from?

Also (figures from IMDB)

• Captain America:Winter Soldier
  Budget - $170m
  Opening Weekend - $95m
  To Feb 2015 - $260m
• Avengers:Age of Ultron
  Budget - $250m
  Opening Weekend - $191m
  To Feb 2016 - $459m
• Iron Man 3
  Budget - $200
  Opening Weekend - $174m
  To March 2015 - $409m

So opening weekends (and those stats) don't necessarily hold water. They are just figures and are not (in and of themselves) an indication of how a film will perform financially.

Who knows. I actually enjoyed it - and a lot more than I believe I will The Justice League.

I don't even know why I'm arguing the point - the movie was enjoyable. Nothing special.