Batman vs Superman Trailer Leaked Online...

[mirth]

I don't understand the 900mil figure? I thought the budget was 400mil? I get they have to make a profit - but where did 900mil come from?

They share revenue with theater owners for starters. The general rule of thumb is to double the total production/marketing costs. The costs for BvS were somewhere between $400-$500 million.

I'm not arguing whether or not it's a good/entertaining movie. Just pointing out that, as well as it has done so far, it could still lose money for Warner Bros.

http://entertainment.ie/cinema/news/Batman-V-Superman-needs-to-make-HOW-MUCH-before-turning-a-profit/378919.htm

[JudgeDredd]

Ok. Point taken. If "the word" takes root and people don't go,  then any film will bomb...including this one.

[JasonPratt]

The critical pans I've seen have not been "this isn't how things are done in the comics" (maybe because DC is changing the canon all the time now), but "this doesn't make a lot of sense on its own merits". Ditto for me on TDKRises and Man of Steel 1. And pretty much any other super-film I've watched, whether I thought it was good or not -- unless they replace something great in the comics with something dumb, or just change the character so much that there's no good reason to even have the character be 'whoever' at all (like Deadpool in the Wolverine Origins movie), I don't care about canon alteration.

The closest I've seen to "not the comics" is "Snyder doesn't understand and/or hates the character of Superman". I kind of agree it seems like one or both of those is true, but I'd still be willing to give him (and/or his writers) credit for trying an alternate take even if it's a failure.

Still going to see it in theaters at least once, when my schedule and the weather clears up. Hopefully Saturday.

[JasonPratt]

Just got back from watching it. Went in with very low expectations (except for spectacle, which were met). Expectations were pretty well exceeded! Will no doubt contribute an essay or something tomorrow. Story (even with clunky inter-scene editing) is far more internally consistent than for either of the two previous Nolan!DC movies (Man of Steel and Dark Knight Rises), and arguably more consistent than even The Dark Knight (although strictly speaking I'd argue that's still a much better movie in most regards). This is not a compliment I give lightly; nor something I was expecting from other responses before going in.

Admittedly the film is dour (an intentional tonal choice, and I'm willing to accept that as a valid artistic choice, but it sucks a lot of the fun out of what's happening); and there are plenty of minor problems, some of which I'm sure come from trimming out 30 minutes. There's only one major plot problem I can think of at the moment -- which has been mentioned elsewhere and above, about the idea of framing Superman by shooting people -- and I suspect the explanation was dropped by accident in post or someone realized the explanation was somehow unworkable and so just dropped it and hoped for the best. I had no problems with Luthor's side of the story at all, and I was watching hard for problems there.

I'll talk about this later (maybe in a separate post so as to minimize spoilers), after I've had a chance to sleep. I fully intend to go watch it again in the theater, which is not something I did for TDKR or MoS. I actually bought a Blu of MoS tonight simply because I wanted get a clear idea of whether this film improves that one for me somehow. I doubt it, but even if not, I'm reasonably excited for the 'series' and so I want MoS in the library.

[JasonPratt]

Forgot to add the link to my very spoilery review/commentary here.

[mirth]

Saw it today with my kids. I'd give it a 7/7.5. Too many dream sequences and I swear to God if I have to watch another version of Bruce Wayne's parents being murdered I'll kill myself right there in theater.

Definitely too long, but not egregiously so. Jesse Eisenberg was good, but I didn't care for the version of Lex that was presented. Jeremy Irons was woefully under-utilized. I thought Affleck did a solid job as Bruce Wayne/Batman. I liked how this film explored some of the underlying psychosis of the character. I'd be happy to see a standalone Batman movie with Ben Affleck and Jeremy Irons.

Wonder Woman kicked ass. I'm glad Gal Gadot is getting her own Wonder Woman movie.

It was one of the better DC comic book movies. I enjoyed it more than Man of Steel and far more than Dark Knight Rises. I don't know where some of the harsher criticism comes from. It was a well above average comic book movie. Too much Zack Snyder sepia tone self seriousness, but I expected that going in. I don't go to a JJ Abrams film without expecting lens flares in every other scene.

Kids liked it just fine. They sat through the whole thing without so much as pee break. I can't say the same.

[mirth]

The warehouse Batman fight scene is even more awesome than it looked in the trailer. Some of the best fighting I've seen in any of the comic book movies. Really gave a sense of Batman as a brutal brawler. Made me very much think of The Dark Knight Returns and the Arkham games.

[JasonPratt]

I don't go to a JJ Abrams film without expecting lens flares in every other scene.

I watched Man of Steel(1) the other night -- my first time since theatrical release -- and I did appreciate the film better afterward, although my overall critiques remain the same for it.

Including too many lens flares, which made me chuckle when I read your comment.  ;D Dawn was better shot in the dark, simply to minimize Snyder's own proclivities in that regard! (And he still snuck in too many.)

[JasonPratt]

Angry Joe and the Nostalgia Critic team up to remake/summarize BvS (and critique it):

For their original MoS review, Angry Joe defended the film hard:

I think Luthor's motivations would have been clearer, or anyway easier to figure out and understand, if he hadn't been a raving whackadoo comic-relief the whole time.

[JudgeDredd]

I still say this wasn't a bad movie overall. I've also seen some comments on Man of Steel which I thought was a pretty good reboot or a reboot of a reboot.

I'm not so much bothered about new cinematography techniques (or whatever the correct "movie jargon" phrase is) like lens flare or 300/Sin City almost cartoony style of graphic and colour...though they can be over done.

But in Man of Steel I didn't find them off putting in the slightest.

What he cannot and SHOULD NEVER be forgiven for is NOT playing the Superman soundtrack in either of those movies.

[JasonPratt]

What he cannot and SHOULD NEVER be forgiven for is NOT playing the Superman soundtrack in either of those movies.

True. Although I think the film would have looked better with the supersaturated color of the 300 movies, rather than the weird desaturation. It flatly changes the color of the suit, which in 'real life' production had the traditional color hues.

This color correction project features John Williams' music.

The second part of the Smallville fight (after the safe), color corrected. Other elements haven't been corrected, so it still looks weird.

The Spanish version of BvS trailer, color corrected. Color's a little too hot.

[JasonPratt]

We all knew it was coming. Three years in the making! -- or, uh, more like three weeks, maybe.

Obviously best ending is obvious: "BEEEEEECAAAAAAAUUUUSSSSSSEEEEE IIIIIIIMMMMMM BAAAAATTTTTTMMMMMAAAAAAANN!!!!"

[MetalDog]

(using this as a default DCU thread)


Saw this article title on CinemaBlend and couldn't resist coming here and making fun of it...The Big Downside To James Wan Directing Aquaman For DC.

The fact that there is going to be an Aquaman movie? ;)


http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Big-Downside-James-Wan-Directing-Aquaman-DC-135827.html

[BanzaiCat]

Well, I guess they're counting on LB seeing it 16,568,421 times in order to make up the cost of that crap(pie).

[MetalDog]

I see what you did there.  I am not amused :P