DVG's Tiger Leader

[Barthheart]

Po-tay-to, po-tah-to  :P

[Capn Darwin]

some folks just can't let things go... ::)

[Cyrano]

Dan could have asked...

[Barthheart]

Dan Verssen posted this at BGG:

Here's our plan in going forward with the Tank Leader series...

We are working on an update kit now. At this time, we are still tossing around ideas that will both update the game as well as retain the "Leader" feel and complexity level. The upgrade kit's exact components are not yet known, but they will include counters, cards, and rule changes.

==We will not charge for this upgrade kit==

The plan at this point is to include the upgrade kit in the next Tank Leader game for everyone who purchased Tiger. We are ALSO going to make the kits available for free to everyone and just charge for mailing costs.

ADDITIONALLY, as soon as we have finalized the updates, I will post PDF files for immediate download as printed components will take a fair number of months to produce.

We do are absolute best to produce the best games possible. Tiger was not hurried, it was tested for months, and months, and months. Well, it turns out that after all that time, we still didn't get it right. So, we're going to invest the time and money needed to make it right because I believe in the Tank Leader series. It is my goal to have people look back at this phase and say, yes, the initial game had some issues, but DVG fixed them, and it is now an awesome, and expanding, series of games.

Dan's a stand up guy. Will be interesting to see what they come up with...

[Cyrano]

I very much appreciate what he's doing and am, though in a different line of work, sympathetic.

That said, the rules changes that were mentioned earlier are a bit too substantive to be covered under a tarp of "we tried our best".

Now, what the remedy is beyond a Colbert "wag of the finger", that I do not know...I can only hope that there were lessons learned.

[GJK]

I wish Dan the best as he seems like a nice guy but maybe it's time to look at who's doing the playtesting for him and find gamers outside of his inner circle that will tell him as it is as far as realism vs playability goes.

[Barthheart]

I wish Dan the best as he seems like a nice guy but maybe it's time to look at who's doing the playtesting for him and find gamers outside of his inner circle that will tell him as it is as far as realism vs playability goes.

+1

[Grimnirsson]

Since Kickstarter is funding their games, the quality suffers it seems...DVG is pumping out games like there's no tomorrow...and more and more Leader games gives the impression of trying to press the juice out of a well established game series to the limit...but it's the same with Columbia Games so the wargame hobby is going the same route like the videogame industry.... :-\

[BanzaiCat]

I had been starting to work on a review of Tiger Leader, but decided to hold off until they get their rules updated and the kinks worked out.

I echo the sentiment that it sucks to spend $90 on a beta test kit, but it's good that Dan and company are working on making it right. They want Tiger Leader to be a flagship of their new 'tank leader' line of games, so they want to get this right for future endeavors. Hopefully they get it right the second time around, because I do like this game, warts and all.

[GJK]

Has anybody seen any word on whether or not they plan to update/correct FC: Nimitz as well?

[BanzaiCat]

Has anybody seen any word on whether or not they plan to update/correct FC: Nimitz as well?

No idea, but the BGG page doesn't seem to reflect any plans for changes. However, one of the BGG users did a rewrite of the rules, and he summarizes some of his changes here:

https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/1304146/detailed-variant-rules

[GJK]

Has anybody seen any word on whether or not they plan to update/correct FC: Nimitz as well?

No idea, but the BGG page doesn't seem to reflect any plans for changes. However, one of the BGG users did a rewrite of the rules, and he summarizes some of his changes here:

https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/1304146/detailed-variant-rules

Thanks BC, I'll check that out to see if they do something different with this box of parts that I have.

[TacticalWargames]

Superb news the expansion will be free.. hopefully the game will be just what I was hoping for!

[BanzaiCat]

Well, technically, they said they're going to charge shipping...which really isn't that big a deal considering how much it will cost them to print new components. And it will take months to produce and print them out.

They also said they'd make it free for anyone that buys the next Tank Leader game, whatever that may be. I'm guessing there will be a Sherman Leader or maybe an M1A1 Leader, something along those lines, next.

Also, making everything available as a PDF is great, but I'm tentative when it comes to the manual. I'm thinking they should reorganize it so rules aren't buried in other rules. We will see if they do that. If not, I've actually been working on a newer format to it based on the current version of the manual; I'll wait to add the new rules to it once an official set is released.

[Barthheart]

Well, technically, they said they're going to charge shipping...which really isn't that big a deal considering how much it will cost them to print new components. ...

It is a big deal if you live anywhere outside of the US.  >:(

I would have been happy if they just corrected the rules they had to make the game playable instead going off and re-doing the game! 

I've had no problems with the manual, it's just like all the other DVG manuals and once you've figured out one the rest are easy.