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Ubercat

#930
March 22, 2016, 09:55:44 AM
They should move them into Angela's house.
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Sir Slash

#931
March 22, 2016, 10:19:30 AM
I'll second that.
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bayonetbrant

#932
March 27, 2016, 09:28:08 PM
somehow, you just knew something stupid shit like this was going to happen...

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-syria-militias-us-cia-islamic-state-20160326-story.html
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Centurion40

#933
March 28, 2016, 09:12:57 PM
Quote from: Ubercat on March 22, 2016, 09:55:44 AM
They should move them into Angela's house.

Better yet, Kaliningrad.
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Centurion40

#934
March 28, 2016, 09:15:06 PM
Quote from: bayonetbrant on March 27, 2016, 09:28:08 PM
somehow, you just knew something stupid shit like this was going to happen...

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-syria-militias-us-cia-islamic-state-20160326-story.html

I had assumed it was a given.
Any time is a good time for pie.

Boggit

#935
March 29, 2016, 06:50:14 PM
They were saying only a few months ago on the news that only about 5 insurgents have actually been trained by the US. I just thought wow! These guys are really serious about winning this... :2funny:
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bayonetbrant

#937
September 17, 2016, 08:51:03 PM
"oops"  ::)
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Ubercat

#938
September 17, 2016, 09:04:06 PM
I don't care how big a PoS Assad is. If we take him out we'll only make things worse for the civilized world. We obviously haven't learned shit from either Iraq or Libya. The Muslim countries deserve their despots. The savages aren't ready for democracy, and we can't MAKE them ready.
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Nefaro

#939
September 18, 2016, 05:55:40 AM
Quote from: Ubercat on September 17, 2016, 09:04:06 PM
I don't care how big a PoS Assad is. If we take him out we'll only make things worse for the civilized world. We obviously haven't learned shit from either Iraq or Libya. The Muslim countries deserve their despots. The savages aren't ready for democracy, and we can't MAKE them ready.

Unfortunately, I think Ubercat is quite right. 

Hell, even the more progressive Islamic states have been going in reverse (*cough* Turkey) lately. 

The Kurds seem to be the only sizable Islamic entity remaining in which a majority shares some values with us.  Most likely due to a mix of wanting their independence, receiving assistance from us, and having some of the same enemies for so long.

pawelj

#940
September 18, 2016, 06:07:19 AM Last Edit: September 19, 2016, 07:00:55 AM by pawelj
Quote from: Ubercat on September 17, 2016, 09:04:06 PM
I don't care how big a PoS Assad is. If we take him out we'll only make things worse for the civilized world. We obviously haven't learned shit from either Iraq or Libya. The Muslim countries deserve their despots. The savages aren't ready for democracy, and we can't MAKE them ready.
I would not recommend placing your hopes for stability on bunch of genocidal tyrants. One if the reasons for problems in Iraq and Libya is that tyrants were running the place for such a long time destroying the tradition of civil society. Countries in Eastern Europe still suffer the societal hangover from years of Communist tyranny. In the Middle East case you have to add to that the mix of tribalism and sectarian divisions of already oppressive religion and you get what you see in these countries. We should have been bombing Assad when the use of chemical weapons was first detected. Now we got Russian in the mix and ISIS got more established then would have been possible.
"Britain and France had to choose between war and dishonour. They chose dishonour. They will have war." - Winston Churchill

Boggit

#941
September 19, 2016, 09:28:22 PM
Quote from: pawelj on September 18, 2016, 06:07:19 AM
Quote from: Ubercat on September 17, 2016, 09:04:06 PM
I don't care how big a PoS Assad is. If we take him out we'll only make things worse for the civilized world. We obviously haven't learned shit from either Iraq or Libya. The Muslim countries deserve their despots. The savages aren't ready for democracy, and we can't MAKE them ready.
I would not recommend placing your hopes for stability on bunch of genocidal tyrants. One if the reasons for problems in Iraq and Libya is that tyrants were running the place for such a long time destroying the tradition of civil society. Countries in Eastern Europe still suffer the societal hangover from years of Communist tyranny. In the Middle East case you have to add to that the mix of tribalism and sectarian divisions of already oppressive religion and you get what you see in these countries. We should have been bombing Assad when the use of chemical weapons was first detected. Now we got Russian in the mix and ISIS got more established then would have been possible.
Good post! O0
The most shocking fact about war is that its victims and its instruments are individual human beings, and that these individual beings are condemned by the monstrous conventions of politics to murder or be murdered in quarrels not their own. Aldous Huxley

Foul Temptress! (Mirth replying to Gus) ;)

On a good day, our legislature has the prestige of a drunk urinating on a wall at 4am and getting most of it on his shoe. On a good day  ::) Steelgrave

It's kind of silly to investigate whether or not a Clinton is lying. That's sort of like investigating why the sky is blue. Banzai_Cat

pawelj

#942
September 20, 2016, 05:55:38 AM
Next stop - No Fly Zone over Syria.
"Britain and France had to choose between war and dishonour. They chose dishonour. They will have war." - Winston Churchill

steve58

#943
September 20, 2016, 03:12:13 PM
oops, nvm...different air strike.
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Boggit

#944
September 21, 2016, 08:17:26 PM
Quote from: pawelj on September 20, 2016, 05:55:38 AM
Next stop - No Fly Zone over Syria.
Fine in principle, but who does it benefit? I can't see the Russians, or Assad's lot going along with it.

As to strikes on IS, would the US, France, or the UK really want a no fly zone? How else will they project power against IS?

It certainly helps the Kurds who are the real combatants on the ground against IS. Any no fly zone will not help them, much to the delight of Erdogan and his Turkish government, who are probably on a land grab anyway. And Turkey hasn't exactly been squeaky clean over its dealings with IS either... why hurt the efforts of our best ally against IS?
The most shocking fact about war is that its victims and its instruments are individual human beings, and that these individual beings are condemned by the monstrous conventions of politics to murder or be murdered in quarrels not their own. Aldous Huxley

Foul Temptress! (Mirth replying to Gus) ;)

On a good day, our legislature has the prestige of a drunk urinating on a wall at 4am and getting most of it on his shoe. On a good day  ::) Steelgrave

It's kind of silly to investigate whether or not a Clinton is lying. That's sort of like investigating why the sky is blue. Banzai_Cat
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