Justice to investigate Spring Valley incident

Staggerwing · October 29, 2015, 07:35:59 PM

That is just evil.

Arctic Blast · October 29, 2015, 10:28:48 PM

99% of police officers are honest, hard working people trying to help. The problem is that the other 1% are violent douchebags who think a badge and a gun gives them a right to do whatever the Hell they want. The BIGGER problem is that far too often absolutely nothing is done to remove the badge and the gun from the 1%. That's what has to change. Enough of the 'blue wall, no rats' nonsense that just leads to more incidents from the 1% that paint all cops with a bad brush.

Bison · October 30, 2015, 07:17:23 AM

Meh. I say we live in the society activists and the media want seemingly. Let's just disband all law enforcement and security apparatuses around the nation and for good measure the entire globe. I'm sure peace and harmony will reign supreme.

mirth · October 30, 2015, 07:22:47 AM

Meh. I say we give up and nuke the whole damn planet. The Fallout games make that look pretty cool.

Bison · October 30, 2015, 07:25:47 AM

I've always wondered what Nuka Cola tastes like.

mirth · October 30, 2015, 07:35:10 AM

Quote from: Bison on October 30, 2015, 07:25:47 AM
I've always wondered what Nuka Cola tastes like.

It's very fissy.

Steelgrave · October 30, 2015, 09:21:43 AM

Quote from: Bison on October 30, 2015, 07:17:23 AM
Meh. I say we live in the society activists and the media want seemingly. Let's just disband all law enforcement and security apparatuses around the nation and for good measure the entire globe. I'm sure peace and harmony will reign supreme.

Right, because simply cleaning up the bad apples from law enforcement is too much of a reach......

Bison · October 30, 2015, 10:12:26 AM

Quote from: Steelgrave on October 30, 2015, 09:21:43 AM
Quote from: Bison on October 30, 2015, 07:17:23 AM
Meh. I say we live in the society activists and the media want seemingly. Let's just disband all law enforcement and security apparatuses around the nation and for good measure the entire globe. I'm sure peace and harmony will reign supreme.

Right, because simply cleaning up the bad apples from law enforcement is too much of a reach......

I was referring to the rhetoric that is being thrown about regarding police action in general and the overall resulting anti-police sentiments in media coverage. I'm talking about the activist rhetoric calling for the death of cops and active resistance to them. The implications for example that any police action against a minority is race driven and has nothing to do with enforcement of law. The result is every cop and sheriff is tainted. They are all considered bad apples just looking for the right opportunity to abuse their power. I don't believe that and I also think the inflammatory rhetoric incites violence and unnecessary confrontation. Nothing that happened in this situation needed to happen.

The rhetoric also results in every police action to be elevated to a national story of police brutality to be judged as such before any of the facts are known. We as a nation apparently no longer believe in the principle of innocent until proven guilty particularly when applied to law enforcement officers. The clock boy is a perfect example. Oh man was that an inequality! #STANDWITHCLOCKBOY Michael Brown is an angel whose actions of beating a shop owner and robbing a store, before charging the police officer and grabbing for his weapon are irrelevant. It was the racist police state's fault for the confrontation. I'd say that most law enforcement are doing something that they love and believe it to be a service to society. And yes there are some bad apples. Bad apples exist. They always have and always will. And yes they should be plucked and removed from those positions of authority when they are found, but we are to the point that I think police will start to stop enforcement of laws because they don't want to deal with the rhetoric that follows from the media and activist rush to judgement.

If this deputy had prior ethical violations, why wasn't he thrown out of his job at that time? If he is, based on past occurrences, a bad law enforcement officer, he should have been removed sooner. That isn't the issue. Good riddance to him.

Steelgrave · October 30, 2015, 11:39:52 AM

Agreed.

Waging war on law and order and those who enforce it is wrong on every level. Inflammatory rhetoric more often than not has little to do reality. Getting rid of cops who abuse their authority goes a long way towards solving the issue and restoring community confidence in our police. But the issues do exist.

Here in OKC, an officer was just fired and charged with assault and battery when school security footage showed him striking a student repeatedly......after stopping the student for not having a hall pass. There is no sound, so the student may have smarted off at him but there was nothing physical until the cop struck him in the face two or three times. Another incident in nearby Moore involves a special needs student with a bruise in the shape of a hand mark after the student (a 14 year old with the mentality of maybe someone 7) says he was struck by the school resource officer, who did not file a report. It's being investigated. And this is just local news pulled from the last week.

Unfortunately, I think there are a lot more bad cops than the theoretical "1%" that gets thrown out, but I still believe 95% of law enforcement are good people trying to do a difficult job. If all of this focus on badge-heavy cops does anything positive, maybe it will be that departments finally clean out their ranks of the people who shouldn't be there. Afterwards, when they go into a community meeting to combat the "Snitches get stitches" mentality, they will have set the standard within their own ranks.

mirth · October 30, 2015, 11:44:47 AM

It's wrong to deflect from the behavior of bad LEOs by saying most are good. Not that it isn't accurate, but it's like saying that most citizens are law abiding so why do we focus on the few bad apples? There's a reason why we focus on the bad apples.

Bison · October 30, 2015, 11:46:02 AM

Yeah those types of stories are just a slug to the gut.

Steelgrave · October 30, 2015, 11:50:00 AM

Quote from: mirth on October 30, 2015, 11:44:47 AM
It's wrong to deflect from the behavior of bad LEOs by saying most are good. Not that it isn't accurate, but it's like saying that most citizens are law abiding so why do we focus on the few bad apples? There's a reason why we focus on the bad apples.

Mirth, sometimes you pull stuff from my mind and express it far better than I can. Scary, but I love ya.

Bison · October 30, 2015, 11:51:06 AM

Quote from: mirth on October 30, 2015, 11:44:47 AM
It's wrong to deflect from the behavior of bad LEOs by saying most are good. Not that it isn't accurate, but it's like saying that most citizens are law abiding so why do we focus on the few bad apples? There's a reason why we focus on the bad apples.

I don't think it's a deflection. Part of the problem is we do focus so much attention through the media on the bad. There is almost never any coverage of the good that is done. Sex, drugs, and violence sells. Good deeds don't. We all want to live in a world of the good deeds, but rather than give it glamorous coverage we focus on the ills of society. And we reap what we sow in that regard.

Steelgrave · October 30, 2015, 11:56:30 AM

But being on the radar of a bad cop is an awful place to be. At the risk of repeating myself, I've known a retired Chicago detective who admitted to his squad planting drugs on people. I've known a woman who had an affair with a ATF agent who stalked her. My own son got into some mischief at 14 with a cops kid and the cop came after my family. That's reality. I'd love to see stories every day of cops pulling people out of burning cars, because I know damn well that happens. But the bad cops don't deserve that same cover. The bad cops need to be exposed, and the best thing any department can do for their good cops is not make them serve beside (and cover for) dangerous, corrupt co-workers!

mirth · October 30, 2015, 11:57:19 AM

Quote from: Bison on October 30, 2015, 11:51:06 AM
Quote from: mirth on October 30, 2015, 11:44:47 AM
It's wrong to deflect from the behavior of bad LEOs by saying most are good. Not that it isn't accurate, but it's like saying that most citizens are law abiding so why do we focus on the few bad apples? There's a reason why we focus on the bad apples.

I don't think it's a deflection. Part of the problem is we do focus so much attention through the media on the bad. There is almost never any coverage of the good that is done. Sex, drugs, and violence sells. Good deeds don't. We all want to live in a world of the good deeds, but rather than give it glamorous coverage we focus on the ills of society. And we reap what we sow in that regard.

Deflection may have been a poor word choice on my part.