Star Trek: Roddenberry Almost Killed TNG?

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MetalDog

#15
June 05, 2016, 12:24:03 PM
Looks like most if not all of the ST movies are on Netflix at the mo.
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JasonPratt

#16
June 06, 2016, 12:32:53 PM
Yep it's still on Netflix.
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Martok

#17
June 10, 2016, 08:00:16 AM
I can't say I'm surprised by the documentary's claims.  He may have indeed been a visionary, but Roddenberry was still as human and flawed as anyone else. 

Heck, that much was clear just from my having recently read Nimoy's I Am Spock.  He's careful to not over-criticize the man (and the critiques he does make are pretty gentle), but reading between the lines, one gets the impression Gene caused more bumps & bruises to the franchise over the years than just about anyone else. 

All things considered, I'm amazed TOS lasted even 3 seasons.  That TNG lasted 7 is almost more of a miracle (although it probably helped that Roddenberry had mostly been "locked out" by then). 

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DoctorQuest

#18
June 10, 2016, 11:39:08 AM
Quote from: Martok on June 10, 2016, 08:00:16 AM
I can't say I'm surprised by the documentary's claims.  He may have indeed been a visionary, but Roddenberry was still as human and flawed as anyone else. 

Heck, that much was clear just from my having recently read Nimoy's I Am Spock.  He's careful to not over-criticize the man (and the critiques he does make are pretty gentle), but reading between the lines, one gets the impression Gene caused more bumps & bruises to the franchise over the years than just about anyone else. 

All things considered, I'm amazed TOS lasted even 3 seasons.  That TNG lasted 7 is almost more of a miracle (although it probably helped that Roddenberry had mostly been "locked out" by then).

I am about as big a fan of TOS as you will ever see but the fact of the matter is when I look for episodes to re-watch on Netflix I skip quite a few. I think the third season has the most duds of any of the seasons. I mean, really, you start out with "Spock's Brain"...............sigh.
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mirth

#19
June 10, 2016, 11:45:48 AM
Spock's Brain gave us this classic bit of Star Trek dialogue.


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DoctorQuest

#20
June 10, 2016, 11:55:01 AM
Thank you for ruining my day.
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mirth

#21
June 10, 2016, 12:00:51 PM
Good luck getting that line out of your BRAIN  ;D
"45 minutes of pooping Tribbles being juggled by a drunken Horta would be better than Season 1 of TNG." - SirAndrewD

"you don't look at the mantelpiece when you're poking the fire" - Bawb

"Can't 'un' until you 'pre', son." - Gus

JasonPratt

#22
June 10, 2016, 03:39:10 PM
Hey now, she is the giver of pleasure. Do not diss her!
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mirth

#23
June 10, 2016, 03:44:28 PM
You know Kirk tapped that.
"45 minutes of pooping Tribbles being juggled by a drunken Horta would be better than Season 1 of TNG." - SirAndrewD

"you don't look at the mantelpiece when you're poking the fire" - Bawb

"Can't 'un' until you 'pre', son." - Gus

mirth

#24
June 10, 2016, 03:45:48 PM
"Hey baby. Check out my big brain."
"45 minutes of pooping Tribbles being juggled by a drunken Horta would be better than Season 1 of TNG." - SirAndrewD

"you don't look at the mantelpiece when you're poking the fire" - Bawb

"Can't 'un' until you 'pre', son." - Gus

MetalDog

#25
June 10, 2016, 06:41:43 PM
If that's your opener, you're in deep sh*t, mirth.
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bbmike

#26
June 10, 2016, 06:59:41 PM
Real TOS fans watch and enjoy all episodes. Yes, even Spock's Brain. Okay, maybe not enjoy, but certainly watch.
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DoctorQuest

#27
June 10, 2016, 07:54:24 PM
^I will have the occasional marathon but I'm also not ashamed to pick and choose. The beauty of DVD and Netflix technology.

Do be careful who you are calling a real fan, though. :) I was there for the very first airing on Thursday, September 8, 1966. It was "The Man Trap". I went across the street to my friend's house because they had a color TV. It was part of an NBC premier night which included "Star Trek" and a few other new shows for that season.

The episode scared the crap out of me. I was hooked.
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"Zero-G and I feel fine....." - John Glenn

"I reject your reality and substitute my own." - Adam Savage, inventor of the alternative fact.

bbmike

#28
June 10, 2016, 08:10:55 PM
Hey, I was 26 days old when Star Trek premiered. I'm a real fan. 8)
"The Man Trap" was one of the first episodes I remember seeing. At the time I was so young I had no idea about how television worked. I just knew Kirk was going to die I was scared to death!  :o
"My life is spent in one long effort to escape from the commonplace of existence."
-Sherlock Holmes

"You know, just once I'd like to meet an alien menace that wasn't immune to bullets."
-Brigadier Lethbridge-Stewart

"There's a horror movie called Alien? That's really offensive. No wonder everyone keeps invading you!"
-The Doctor

"Before Man goes to the stars he should learn how to live on Earth."
-Clifford D. Simak
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