Paradox's Upcoming Game - Imperator: Rome ...Excellent News!

[CJReich46]

this isn't just the same old clausewitz engine. It has been updated. For starters, it is 64-bit. Johan claims it is a new version of the engine that runs much faster than the old.

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/i-love-the-map.1099558/&sdpDevPosts=1

By the way, Gus...you can play as the Jews!

I see. Hence the specs are higher than even Stellaris was (I could be wrong).

[steve58]

^AYE...CPT!

We need a release date!!

April 25

[Grim.Reaper]

^AYE...CPT!

We need a release date!!

April 25

think he meant fog empires....

[steve58]

 :-[ doh

[JasonPratt]

Strictly speaking, Jews and Hebrews do not necessarily overlap: there were Jewish kingdoms here and there who weren't Hebrew to amount to anything. (This is aside from whether Christianity/ies count as a form of Judaism.)

Offhand, there was the Jewish kingdom at the headwaters of the Nile in Ethiopia (complete with its own attempt at recreating a working Temple); the pre-Muslim Jewish kingdom on the south coast of Arabia; and a whole set of Turks on the north coast of the Black Sea who converted after one of the Byzantine Emperors insisted (in the face of ongoing threats from the Umayyid and now-burgeoning Abbasid dynasties) that all Jews remaining in the Roman Empire must be baptized Christian or leave. So a ton of them migrated northeast into the lands of one of the Khazar khans (of the western Turkate, iirc.) Not long afterward, emissaries from the Byzantine and Abbasid Empires arrived with the goal of trying to get the increasingly powerful Khazars to convert to (Eastern Orthodox) Christianity or to (Shi'ite) Islam, but the Khan while impressed by the arguments for one moral God Most High didn't want to tie himself to either side, so he famously trolled them by asking each of the parties which was more preferable: Judaism or the other team. Each of course said Judaism, so he retorted with insane troll logic, "Each of you have agreed to testify from your own mouths that Judaism is superior, so I shall go with that one, praise the God of Abraham!" 

Despite his humorous diplomatic evasion, apparently his conversion was sincere and for a little while the largest Jewish nation ever to exist (so far) in history lay on the north coast of the Black Sea! But naturally, very few of them were of Hebrew families per se!

This is relevant to the Paradox games because, regardless of a Jewish kingdom being restricted to Palestine (naturally) in Imperator, the other three Jewish kingdoms I know about can be played in Crusader Kings 2! (And the Turkish Jewish kingdom might still be around at the start of EU4, not sure.)


Fun consequential fact: people like to joke about the super-goofy map results of playing a Paradox game for a while, like when China mechanics were added to CK2 resulting in China coming to own Switzerland or Sweden by various gameplay incidents. But something like that happened in real life, and the results are still around today! -- the "Turks" originally came from people who lived north of China and who were, in a primitive sense, culturally Chinese (broadly speaking, not as developed as the various "Chinese" cultures of course).

So not only did a large group of Chinese (in effect) come to take control of what's now "Turkey" (once they moved further west), but for a while some of them (farther to the north of what's now Turkey) constituted a Jewish empire, too!

History is awesome y'all. 

[JasonPratt]

Postscript: while Ashkenazi ethnic Jews are typically associated with central Europe, including with etymological links to the Scandaz tribes (the cradle of Germanic cultures, and connected as well to Cimmerians, supposedly descended from Gomer the grandson of Noah by Japheth), they also have some connection to the region known as Khazar where the Turks eventually arrived from north of China.

This would add a significant reason (aside from some other reasons, such as this being the only direction not substantially Christian and/or Muslim!) why Jews fleeing persecution from the Byzantines at the dawn of the Abbasid takeover of the Umayyad Caliphate, chose to migrate in that direction: Jewish families had long ago "dispersed" up the Caucausus route (between the Black Sea and the Caspian Sea) from the headwaters of the Euphrates in Armenia, into the Khazar region. Under various pressures they emigrated westward again into Central Europe to become, by far, the largest ethnic group of Jews in modern history -- and the chief victims of the Holocaust.

So while the Khazarian Jewish Empire didn't last (to say the least), the boost from that event still lasts into modern times today! -- and has been a key factor in shaping world history (Tragically as well as heroically.)

[Jarhead0331]

Thanks for the lesson, Rabbi. Your new name shall be ShlomoPratt.

[Gusington]

Jacob Prattstein.

[CJReich46]

Thanks for the lesson, Rabbi. Your new name shall be ShlomoPratt.

:DD

[JasonPratt]

Hm, how does that come out as an acronym nickname? RaShP?

Because Rashp sounds awesome! 


(For those who don't know, rabbis often earn affectionate short-form nicknames based on the consonants for "rabbi" plus their name(s).)

[CJReich46]

Hm, how does that come out as an acronym nickname? RaShP?

Because Rashp sounds awesome! 


(For those who don't know, rabbis often earn affectionate short-form nicknames based on the consonants for "rabbi" plus their name(s).)

::)  Oy vey...

[Gusington]

HA

[Tpek]

Postscript: while Ashkenazi ethnic Jews are typically associated with central Europe, including with etymological links to the Scandaz tribes (the cradle of Germanic cultures, and connected as well to Cimmerians, supposedly descended from Gomer the grandson of Noah by Japheth), they also have some connection to the region known as Khazar where the Turks eventually arrived from north of China.

This would add a significant reason (aside from some other reasons, such as this being the only direction not substantially Christian and/or Muslim!) why Jews fleeing persecution from the Byzantines at the dawn of the Abbasid takeover of the Umayyad Caliphate, chose to migrate in that direction: Jewish families had long ago "dispersed" up the Caucausus route (between the Black Sea and the Caspian Sea) from the headwaters of the Euphrates in Armenia, into the Khazar region. Under various pressures they emigrated westward again into Central Europe to become, by far, the largest ethnic group of Jews in modern history -- and the chief victims of the Holocaust.

So while the Khazarian Jewish Empire didn't last (to say the least), the boost from that event still lasts into modern times today! -- and has been a key factor in shaping world history (Tragically as well as heroically.)

The term Ashkenaz seems to come from a region in Turkey rather than in Germany.

And yeah, there were several Jewish kingdoms/empires aside from Israel/Judea throughout the ages, including during Roman times (a strong Jewish/Persian empire in Mesopotamia, where Jews were often the majority or a very large minority, for an example).


Also, as far as I know Turks (or more correctly, Turkic people) were originally from northern central Asia, and not from Siberia.

[JasonPratt]

Strictly speaking (as I thought I noted) it comes from an area of northern Mesopotamia. But that might be considered part of (what is now) Turkey. It's connected to the Uratu area (i.e. Ararat), which is represented notably in the Biblical account by Ashkevaz (or -naz, via a scribal blip) being a grandson of Noah. (Along with Gomer, as previously noted, representing the Cimmarians.)

The term dates outside the Bible back as far as Sargon and the Akkadians, if I recall correctly.

Anyway, I was tracing them from northern Mesopotamia up between the Black Sea and the (inland) Caspian Sea to an area of the western Turks (across the Black Sea from where we think of Turkey today -- they didn't have that yet, the Byzantines did), and then westward into Central Europe from there.


Re the Turks coming from the north border of the northern Chinese nation: I read that just the other day in a recent historical overview of world cultures and nations during the Medieval periods. But I gather that they did come to there from somewhere in (north) Central Asia several centuries prior. They weren't Turkish culture when they arrived in what we might call southern Siberia; but they were early Turkish culture by the time they started going back west from north of China, forming two rather large though loose khanate empires along the way (sometimes pulled back into Chinese governance, the eastern khannate more than the western for obvious reasons).

[JasonPratt]

Meanwhile, BACK ON TOPIC!

Rimmy is usually a comedy LPer, but here he's just doing a demo.