Paradox's Upcoming Game - Imperator: Rome ...Excellent News!

JasonPratt · April 25, 2019, 06:43:23 PM

Weirdly, my impression (from a very brief messing around tonight after dling) is that it's more like Vicky2 than CK2 or EU4.

But that's a highly subjective impression, based on the (apparent) complexity of the trade routing.

JasonPratt · April 25, 2019, 06:47:03 PM

Meanwhile, for those asking earlier, there are two Jewish nations in the game: Judea, and Samaria. The ruler of Judea is titled the........ um..... the Adonis.

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...okay, I realize we're starting Oct 1 304 BCE, but still. I have questions about this. ???

{pondering a moment}

Oh, they mean Adon, a Hebrew term for 'lord'! -- got it. (Probably related to the Greek god Adonis somewhere, but not sure how.)

JasonPratt · April 25, 2019, 06:56:30 PM

There are a few other Jewish counties (or whatever they should be called, the smallest map units) running down the left flank of the Arabian peninsula, to the southwestern interior coastal area, as might be expected. But those are the only two nations right now per se. Galilee is a region of Syria right now, which is all part of Phrygia (mainly based in Asia Minor).

Samaria has 7 counties (themselves sorted into Kefar Shuni, and then everything else.)

Judea has I think 19 counties. They're spread across parts of several "provinces".

I'm sure I've got the term wrong, and what I'm really looking at are "cities" in the game's nomenclature: each smallest area unit is connected to one chief city, town, or village of the land nearby.

I'm seriously tempted to start with Samaria, just to simplify my life (until I'm inevitably steamrolled). :D

CJReich46 · April 25, 2019, 07:05:51 PM

Quote from: JasonPratt on April 25, 2019, 06:47:03 PM
Meanwhile, for those asking earlier, there are two Jewish nations in the game: Judea, and Samaria. The ruler of Judea is titled the........ um..... the Adonis.

...

........

...okay, I realize we're starting Oct 1 304 BCE, but still. I have questions about this. ???

{pondering a moment}

Oh, they mean Adon, a Hebrew term for 'lord'! -- got it. (Probably related to the Greek god Adonis somewhere, but not sure how.)

I'm gonna take a stab at this...(oh boy) ...but isn't Judea in 304BCE- Hellenistic? As in one of the Diodachi- Ptolemy. (Yeah I read it on Wikipedia...)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coele-Syria - Here's the article.

Jarhead0331 · April 25, 2019, 07:11:45 PM

Quote from: Toonces on April 25, 2019, 06:00:06 PM
Is this like CK2 or EUIV?...or some other title?

So far, I think it falls somewhere in between the two. It definitely has more character depth than the EU series of games. This adds a level of complexity and an RPG feel similar to CKII.

JasonPratt · April 25, 2019, 07:27:51 PM

Unlike CK2, it is not possible (yet?) to play as the ruler of one of the smallest map units.

Poking around, there are other characters but they don't seem to be ruling anything themselves. They can be assigned to jobs, one of which seems to be governor, although (having chosen Samaria as a small nation with some potential) I'm not sure anyone is actually governing anything yet.

JasonPratt · April 25, 2019, 07:39:29 PM

Quote from: CJReich46 on April 25, 2019, 07:05:51 PM
I'm gonna take a stab at this...(oh boy) ...but isn't Judea in 304BCE- Hellenistic? As in one of the Diodachi- Ptolemy. (Yeah I read it on Wikipedia...)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coele-Syria - Here's the article.

That was my first thought, too, but in the game the culture there isn't Hellenic. And while they pay duties to Phrygia (one of the big Successor states) they aren't occupied; they're their own nation. (Same with Samaria.)

I would have to poke around to see how close-to-codex this is with the historical situation. We're not quite 30 years down from having been conquered by Alexander, and we ought to be governed under Ptolemy or one of his heirs.

Gusington · April 25, 2019, 08:23:42 PM

JH you wanting gaming harlot!

I now feel this would be the wiser investment than Aggressors.

But I've been kicked in the gaming balls so many times by Paradox in the last 20 years!

gah

Jarhead0331 · April 25, 2019, 08:27:08 PM

Quote from: Gusington on April 25, 2019, 08:23:42 PM
JH you wanting gaming harlot!

I now feel this would be the wiser investment than Aggressors.

But I've been kicked in the gaming balls so many times by Paradox in the last 20 years!

gah

If it's worth anything to you, I never got aggressors. It just seemed far too generic to me.

Gusington · April 25, 2019, 09:09:06 PM

Of course it's worth something. You mean you never bought Aggressors at all or you 'didn't get it?'

I am girding my loins to try and wrestle with Imperator. It just sounds more fun, despite what its lineage means to me.

Grim.Reaper · April 25, 2019, 09:33:16 PM

i am very early in but certainly has the overall feel of paradox games. if others didn't grab you, not sure this will either. for me i stunk at the other games but i am making a big commitment to finally figure them out:)

Wolfe1759 · April 25, 2019, 09:50:54 PM

Quote from: Father Ted on April 25, 2019, 11:10:06 AM
Quote from: Anguille on April 22, 2019, 04:46:23 PM
Do you know how many provinces does Judea have in Imperator?

Hopefully at least the Judean Peoples' Front and the Peoples' Front of Judea

Deleted - Barthhart beat me to it

P.S. Long live the Popular Front :)

IronX · April 25, 2019, 10:25:02 PM

Ha! Gaming balls.

Toonces · April 25, 2019, 10:59:40 PM

Steam reviews aren't so hot. That in and of itself isn't a big deal, but they do seem fairly well reasoned for Steam.

I think I'm going to have to sit and wait for more opinions of my fellow Grogs to roll in.

CK2 is probably my favorite game that I still don't know how to play; EUIV didn't really click with me for some reason.

Jarhead0331 · April 26, 2019, 03:34:21 AM

Quote from: Toonces on April 25, 2019, 10:59:40 PM
Steam reviews aren't so hot. That in and of itself isn't a big deal, but they do seem fairly well reasoned for Steam.

I think I'm going to have to sit and wait for more opinions of my fellow Grogs to roll in.

CK2 is probably my favorite game that I still don't know how to play; EUIV didn't really click with me for some reason.

Paradox gamers are a strange lot. They seem to complain a lot, yet still flock to every game and sink hundreds of hours into them. Every paradox game needs to mature. I don't think a single one has been outstanding out of the box, but the potential is always great. Look at the reviews for the other paradox titles. Stellaris, HOI 3 and 4, EUIV, etc. they range from mixed to mostly good and that's after years of maturation.

I haven't felt a "lack of character" with this one yet, like some are claiming, but I do have some frustrations with the UI. Certain pieces of information have been hard to find...but like everything else, games like this take time to learn, understand and appreciate.

So far, I'm enjoying what I've played.