Russia's War Against Ukraine

[Sir Slash]

I do believe she could make me talk. And possibly beg, roll-over and any number of other tricks.

Curious, we know the Afghan War sapped the strength out of the old Soviet Union but does anyone know how popular/unpopular that war was in the minds of the Russian public back then? I know they didn't get all the facts and couldn't speak freely, but did the average Ivan on the street support that conflict like today's group support the Ukraine War? Or is this conflict more of a strictly Russian thing in their minds?

[Gusington]

^Read a book titled 'Afgantsy' by Briathwaite - it answers all your questions.

[FarAway Sooner]

Paraphrase for those of us who didn't, please!   

My understanding is that, over time, the number of burnt-out Soviet vets coming back from Afghanistan added up.  I think it was one of the contributing factors--along with an effort to liberalize Soviet civil and academic society--to the decline of popularity for the Communist government.  But I know just enough here to be dangerous.

[Skoop]

The West sent too little and too late. [/

The UAF though needed armor and airpower.  Both could've been given earlier and weren't, and a lot of it was avoidable and was the pressure of lobbies I won't go into.
 

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Pressure of lobbies you won't go into ?  Darn, I wanted to hear your take on that.  But it seems you may have been respecting devolving the thread into muddy politics.  Unfortunately, it'll go there with the looming 2024 elections.  I'm pretty sure Ukraine will play a part

[Gusington]

Because I love you fellers:

Afgantsy by Sir Rodric Braithwaite
https://shorturl.at/xBVW7

[Sir Slash]

And we love you too. Not the, 'I'd share a toothbrush with you' kind of love but if you came by, I would give you a beer and bring-out the good party nuts. 

[FarAway Sooner]

When Gus hears the phrase "good party nuts", I think his mind might go somewhere different than the rest of us, Slash...   

[Gusington]

Always comes back to the party nuts...

[Sir Slash]

 

[Windigo]

heres some CQB 

https://twitter.com/i/status/1682762576675864577

today I learned that a Mukha is an RPG-18. Good find for the squad

[Windigo]

The West sent too little and too late.

the release of cluster munitions seems to be have quite the effect right now.

Trenches? Pffft

[GDS_Starfury]

https://twitter.com/i/status/1683880873735729152

[Windigo]

What I don't understand is why the russkies seem to cower down into their dugouts and trenches not moving at all. Are they scared shitless? Absolutely no training at all? Both? Maybe shell shocked too?

Another thought is why are their trenchlines so freaking messy; garbage everywhere. Might as well advertise that there is a position there.

[JasonPratt]

Someone in Russia: y'know what, let's hit the absolute farthest western Ukrainian port area, show them we mean business, no one is safe anywhere!

Variably sane person in Russia: but, well, lots of NATO ships transit that area, too, like Romania.

Someone: who the hell cares?! If they don't want to be hit by our drones they shouldn't be anywhere near Ukraine, even on a river border!

[GDS_Starfury]

What I don't understand is why the russkies seem to cower down into their dugouts and trenches not moving at all. Are they scared shitless? Absolutely no training at all? Both? Maybe shell shocked too?

Another thought is why are their trenchlines so freaking messy; garbage everywhere. Might as well advertise that there is a position there.

what else are they supposed to do?  they mostly dont seem to have any armor or ifv support and the Ukrainians are getting pretty good at shelling very specific areas that are getting assaulted.  an no, they arent trained properly.  as for the garbage... again what else are they going to do?  any trench line is going to be spotted by uav's and whos going to risk going above ground for a garbage collection point.
one of the more prolific russian shills today posted a video of "massive train of russian equipment heading to the front".  it was maybe a dozed trucks, 2 mine clearing tracks, 1 bmp, 1 tank and some farm equipment.