Israel

[GDS_Starfury]

to be clear, I'm asking this due to the massive amount of disinformation surrounding this conflict.

what are the other primary sources?
what are the secondary sources?

the post goes from a picture to a video on WP effects with no other information.
no after effects, no burned people running away, nothing.
what is the rest of the story if there actually is one.

to be fair, the IAF has dropped a shit ton of 2000lb jadams all over Gaza so far, so why use WP?

[GDS_Starfury]

I'm not saying they haven't used it in the past but I think there would a lot more coverage of this today.

[GDS_Starfury]

also the two videos provided in the article seem to be pretty consistent with smoke screens, which they mention which is fair play.

[GDS_Starfury]

tank uses multi spectral smoke grenades = war crime?

[Crossroads]

Lawrence Freedman with his first commentary on Hamas. I've quite appreciated his analysis re Russia's Invasion of Ukraine. This one was a thorough and also quite downbeat analysis for the background as how we got here, and how, in fact, Hamas can't be contained.

I read somewhere a comparison to Indonesia and Tamili Tigers, and for the cost of having that terror organisation eradicated. That took some 40k civilian casualties iirc.

No good options, I wonder if any bad options either, just worse and even worse options, as diplomacy does not work with terrorists. 

https://samf.substack.com/p/hamas-attacks-israel?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2

[MikeGER]

WP shell

smoke screen shell

[Gusington]

'Egypt feels that the Palestinians should fight their own battles and are refusing them refuge.'

Well how about that.

[GDS_Starfury]

and Jordan has blocked its border with the West Bank.
its like theyre well aware of the trouble these people can cause.

[GDS_Starfury]

https://twitter.com/i/status/1712822160358523202

[FarAway Sooner]

The various regional players besides Israel and the Palestinians all have their own agendas here, and providing justice and a safe homeland for the Palestinians isn't always high on their list.  A thought-provoking but heartbreaking article in Politico suggests that, while Israel is understandably grieving and rightly furious, there might be some lessons to be learned from the US response to 9/11.

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/10/13/in-israel-theres-grief-anger-and-determination-but-whats-the-plan-00121366

[Sir Slash]

FOX News' Man-on-the-Ground Trey Yingst I think, reported this morning that he had multiple sources telling him that Hamas was actively preventing civilians from leaving Gaza per the Israeli Evacuation Warnings.

[Gusington]

^Yes - standard operating procedure for Hamas.

[GDS_Starfury]

Israel is going to catch all the shit no matter what they do so they might as well do what they think is best for them.

[al_infierno]

BREAKING: Israel has used white phosphorus in military operations in Gaza and Lebanon, putting civilians at risk of serious and long-term injuries.

White phosphorus causes excruciating burns and can set homes afire. Its use in populated areas is unlawful.

https://x.com/hrw/status/1712573871596187916?s=20


"As we act, let us not be the evil that we deplore."

Not sure about this video, but false reports recently went around making this claim while showing a video from around 2016.

[Tripoli]

^Yes - standard operating procedure for Hamas.

Yep.  Hamas needs a body count.  They really don't care if it is Israeli or Palestinian.  In their eyes, both are useful for advancing their cause.