Close Combat:Panthers in the Fog is Released

[Bison]

Disregard.  I've gone back to be sucky.  :(

I might be addicted to this game.

[GDS_Starfury]

good to hear.

[Bison]

Good grief.  Seriously.  What the hell historically took out Panthers?  I'm winning the current battle board through painful attrition which I'm sure will come back to bite me in the next two boards.

[GDS_Starfury]

how many air strikes are you getting?

[Bison]

I haven't received any yet which is part of my struggle.  Although it's possible I missed one or two in an early battle but certainly zero in the last 4 battles.  3 of which had all the conditions to get one; day light and clear weather. 

I know a lot of folks are sort of writing this one off as yet another re-tread of an old engine which is too bad.  I haven't logged this much time into a wargame in quite sometime.  You going to buy it Star?

[LongBlade]

What the hell historically took out Panthers? 

The IS-2 on the Eastern Front and American close air support on the Western.

The Brits had the Firefly. Its 17-pounder crammed into a Sherman had the punch but lacked the armor to stand toe-to-toe with anything but a PzIV.

Historically you took five Shermans into a fight with one Panther. Sacrifice four to get the fifth one on its flank. American armor sucked.

At the very end of the war we fielded the Jackson, but IIRC we had about six of them in action when the war ended - not nearly enough to do more than prove the concept.

Some folks will argue that the first time America fielded a superior MBT was the M1 Abrams.

[GDS_Starfury]

Pershings LB, Pershings  ;)

[Bison]

I'm thinking there is something amiss with the armor values.  I pounded the crap out a Panther with 4 tanks 2 Sherman, 1 Sherman106 and an AT M10 from the sides and the back and didn't dent it.  It however wiped out all four of mine.

[LongBlade]

Pershings LB, Pershings  ;)

Right. Sorry. It's getting late. I'd like to blame the wine but it's only my second glass.

My problem is that I read recreationally rather than for knowledge. My brain gets stuffed with so much stuff that I can't remember what I can't remember.

[LongBlade]

I'm thinking there is something amiss with the armor values.  I pounded the crap out a Panther with 4 tanks 2 Sherman, 1 Sherman106 and an AT M10 from the sides and the back and didn't dent it.  It however wiped out all four of mine.

That could be.

The problem with all of this is that it isn't as cut-and-dried as it might look on paper.

The Germans had a serious shortage of molybdenum in the late war. As a result their armor was more brittle than it ought to have looked on paper.

That said, a game is only as good as what was put into it. I wonder if the code takes into account flank and rear armor? If not then we might be looking at a game simulating what might have happened if the Germans had managed to field the King Tiger in real numbers. ;)

[Bison]

King Tiger was an overrated piece of crap.  How's that for armor heresy?

I'm going to need to runs some tests if I can figure out how to set it up.  I want to know.  I'm like Leonard Nemoy "In Search of..."

[MikeGER]

Hate the way they have split up the info panels - one top left other bottom right (rather than all together along the bottom of the screen)

Wolfe, you can grab and drag each of the 3 info panels with right mouse click to any place on the screen to arrange them to your needs.

on fog: there is a strong urge from the player community to get a on/off switch with a patch ... so very likely it get implemented 
(in addition there is no fog in zoomed out view... and i am finding my self more often zoomed out then zoomed in to orchestra the battle and don't miss events on other parts of the frontline)

btw: i like the way on-board mortars are handled now.
it take some time, then it shoots 2 zero-in rounds slow, then a fast barrage of 4-6 rounds, then fire mission is over, BUT the spot stay registered and is marked on the map, and can be hit with a new fire mission without zeroing-in.

in older CC games i sometimes wasted my ammo because i didn't end a firemission,
...and the gamy use of mortars as a über-weapon is much reduced now .
from the receiving side: i will have to find out if a gun-empalcement can be 'evacuated' with a vehicle next to it, when the first spotting round drops nearby       

[Bison]

I also like the motar registration.  I think you get the last three spots that the calculations remain in effect.  I forgot that your mortars fired until dry in earlier games.

[Zulu1966]

Here you go.

Still not sure about this - I have a couple of the others and they kind of fall by the wayside fairly quickly.

The system that picture represents in Combat Mission would be a dream however.

[LongBlade]

King Tiger was an overrated piece of crap.  How's that for armor heresy?

I completely agree. (Thus my smiley)

Its engine was the same one used to power the Panther - a vehicle almost half its weight.