North Korea: When Internet Trolls Get Nukes

[bayonetbrant]

[Mr. Bigglesworth]

Here's an interesting perspective, hit the Norks first.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/13/opinion/bomb-north-korea-before-its-too-late.html?hp

IMO the nork nuclear facility is also a legit target after they have said they will attack the US.

The issue isn't really bombing the north. The problem is that Seoul will get pounded until we wipe out all their artillery. That could take time and cost a lot of civilian lives.

Also, *nobody* wants the NK regime to fall. No one. Well, maybe one guy in the Maldives but that's about it. So taking out their nuclear facility doesn't advance the interests of anyone.

Why do you think nobody want the NK regime changed? Nobody wants to own it or everybody likes how much of a political distraction he is?

[Arctic Blast]

Here's an interesting perspective, hit the Norks first.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/13/opinion/bomb-north-korea-before-its-too-late.html?hp

IMO the nork nuclear facility is also a legit target after they have said they will attack the US.

The issue isn't really bombing the north. The problem is that Seoul will get pounded until we wipe out all their artillery. That could take time and cost a lot of civilian lives.

Also, *nobody* wants the NK regime to fall. No one. Well, maybe one guy in the Maldives but that's about it. So taking out their nuclear facility doesn't advance the interests of anyone.

Why do you think nobody want the NK regime changed? Nobody wants to own it or everybody likes how much of a political distraction he is?

As bad as that regime is, remove it and you're left with complete and total chaos.

[Longdan]

It is not like they serve any purpose other than showing the Chinese that things could be worse.
I think it is the only reason it is there.  They have literally nothing anybody else wants otherwise
somebody would have taken the place long ago.  The Chinese owned it and just walked away.
Maybe India could use it.  They seem to be able to make something out of nothing.
Too bad most of their girls look like they would be most comfortable pulling a plow.

[Mr. Bigglesworth]

Here's an interesting perspective, hit the Norks first.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/13/opinion/bomb-north-korea-before-its-too-late.html?hp

IMO the nork nuclear facility is also a legit target after they have said they will attack the US.

The issue isn't really bombing the north. The problem is that Seoul will get pounded until we wipe out all their artillery. That could take time and cost a lot of civilian lives.

Also, *nobody* wants the NK regime to fall. No one. Well, maybe one guy in the Maldives but that's about it. So taking out their nuclear facility doesn't advance the interests of anyone.

Why do you think nobody want the NK regime changed? Nobody wants to own it or everybody likes how much of a political distraction he is?

As bad as that regime is, remove it and you're left with complete and total chaos.

I'm sure you are right. Does it always have to be? SK is a pretty competent country. Is it possible to just ship food in while slowly advancing the border north? The south consumes mile by mile as they can.

I like blue skying this stuff. Chile is an example of a country that made economic advancements fairly fast after the dictator was removed.

The toughest thing about NK would be the million + in the army. They could be real trouble. Hence borgify them mile by mile.

[Arctic Blast]

Here's an interesting perspective, hit the Norks first.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/13/opinion/bomb-north-korea-before-its-too-late.html?hp

IMO the nork nuclear facility is also a legit target after they have said they will attack the US.

The issue isn't really bombing the north. The problem is that Seoul will get pounded until we wipe out all their artillery. That could take time and cost a lot of civilian lives.

Also, *nobody* wants the NK regime to fall. No one. Well, maybe one guy in the Maldives but that's about it. So taking out their nuclear facility doesn't advance the interests of anyone.

Why do you think nobody want the NK regime changed? Nobody wants to own it or everybody likes how much of a political distraction he is?

As bad as that regime is, remove it and you're left with complete and total chaos.

I'm sure you are right. Does it always have to be? SK is a pretty competent country. Is it possible to just ship food in while slowly advancing the border north? The south consumes mile by mile as they can.

I like blue skying this stuff. Chile is an example of a country that made economic advancements fairly fast after the dictator was removed.

The toughest thing about NK would be the million + in the army. They could be real trouble. Hence borgify them mile by mile.

I really doubt it. North Korea essentially has no economy. They're incapable of caring for themselves. They not only have next to no trade or economic ties, but they lack anyone with any actual diplomatic experience. Moving the border North, even slowly, would place a massive burden on a South Korean economy that's only recently recovered from their late 90's crash. This is a nation that really does basically have nothing to build from.

[bayonetbrant]

It is not like they serve any purpose other than showing the Chinese that things could be worse.
I think it is the only reason it is there. 

I'm not sure you're wrong...

[Longdan]

It is not like they serve any purpose other than showing the Chinese that things could be worse.
I think it is the only reason it is there. 

I'm not sure you're wrong...

That is why you are different from everybody else.

[Mr. Bigglesworth]

Here's an interesting perspective, hit the Norks first.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/13/opinion/bomb-north-korea-before-its-too-late.html?hp

IMO the nork nuclear facility is also a legit target after they have said they will attack the US.

The issue isn't really bombing the north. The problem is that Seoul will get pounded until we wipe out all their artillery. That could take time and cost a lot of civilian lives.

Also, *nobody* wants the NK regime to fall. No one. Well, maybe one guy in the Maldives but that's about it. So taking out their nuclear facility doesn't advance the interests of anyone.

Why do you think nobody want the NK regime changed? Nobody wants to own it or everybody likes how much of a political distraction he is?

As bad as that regime is, remove it and you're left with complete and total chaos.

I'm sure you are right. Does it always have to be? SK is a pretty competent country. Is it possible to just ship food in while slowly advancing the border north? The south consumes mile by mile as they can.

I like blue skying this stuff. Chile is an example of a country that made economic advancements fairly fast after the dictator was removed.

The toughest thing about NK would be the million + in the army. They could be real trouble. Hence borgify them mile by mile.

I really doubt it. North Korea essentially has no economy. They're incapable of caring for themselves. They not only have next to no trade or economic ties, but they lack anyone with any actual diplomatic experience. Moving the border North, even slowly, would place a massive burden on a South Korean economy that's only recently recovered from their late 90's crash. This is a nation that really does basically have nothing to build from.

So what, plan to have permanent security costs? Has anyone calculated the Present Value of all costs associated with the regime? What about when their advancing missile program really is able to put a nuke on north america? Will they get hard currency for selling the tech to the mullas? Diplomacy at that point will be a bitch. Imagine his hissy fits we he really has weapons.

The primary long term cost is to SK which will have to divert more and more of their economy to their military as Kim's capability grows.

I admire O's restraint. He really has tried to make military intervention the last option. It gives him moral authority if he does have to do something later. Over the next 100yrs if things continue as is, something will have to be done. The longer th wait the larger the sunk cost.

[JasonPratt]

Let's look at it from another angle: what's the most cost-effective way of helping the people? Heifer International on a national scale, with military security?

[Mr. Bigglesworth]

Let's look at it from another angle: what's the most cost-effective way of helping the people? Heifer International on a national scale, with military security?

You have no way in with that regime. Fat boy kim seems to want to turn the whole country into an armed camp.

[JasonPratt]

^^ I know but the previous discussion has been "Let North Korea be his problem, don't remove him."

So supposing we run over him in North Korea Storm 2, or whatever, what's the most cost-effective way of helping the people? (Obviously step one of helping the people would be to get rid of the current regime.)

[LongBlade]

It's worth noting that the Norks didn't launch anything today.

Apparently the Chinese did think they went too far in their bombast and they do have some influence.

I heard on TV this morning that Un was openly being called "Fatty the Third" on Chinese websites. That means there is official displeasure with NK. Glad things have cooled down there.

[TheCommandTent]

Interesting.

When North Korean engineers launched a satellite into space on December 12, it seemed like business as usual, with the familiar cycle of condemnations from the west and statements of defiance from the Hermit Kingdom. But that launch also led many U.S. intelligence analysts to assess that Pyongyang possessed the ability to miniaturize the components necessary to yield a nuclear explosion for a crude warhead that would sit atop a ballistic missile.

After the North Korean launch, U.S. Navy ships managed to recover the front section of the rocket used in it, according to three U.S. officials who work closely on North Korean proliferation. That part of the rocket in turn provided useful clues about North Korean warhead design, should the next payload be a warhead rather than a satellite.

http://news.yahoo.com/north-korea-tipped-hand-084500657--politics.html

[LongBlade]

Interesting.

When North Korean engineers launched a satellite into space on December 12, it seemed like business as usual, with the familiar cycle of condemnations from the west and statements of defiance from the Hermit Kingdom. But that launch also led many U.S. intelligence analysts to assess that Pyongyang possessed the ability to miniaturize the components necessary to yield a nuclear explosion for a crude warhead that would sit atop a ballistic missile.

After the North Korean launch, U.S. Navy ships managed to recover the front section of the rocket used in it, according to three U.S. officials who work closely on North Korean proliferation. That part of the rocket in turn provided useful clues about North Korean warhead design, should the next payload be a warhead rather than a satellite.

http://news.yahoo.com/north-korea-tipped-hand-084500657--politics.html

Excellent news!