Rome II

[SirAndrewD]

Anyone play any sieges with the new patch? Even the guys over at TWC begrudgingly admit that sieges are better now. Macedon beckons!

Sieges are a lot better.  The AI will use siege equipment and hit more than one point now.  I can actually lose a siege on a walled city if I only have the default garrison. 

I'm having a lot of fun playing with DeI .095 and the new patch. 

[Sir Slash]

I haven't been besieged yet since 14 came out. I just got "Boiling Oil" for all my cities and maybe that's scared everyone away. Come to think of it, I haven't besieged a city with Boiling Oil. Anybody else? How bad is it on your attacking troops?

[undercovergeek]

just got seiged - 2600 thracians came screaming over the wall on four siege towers, no milling around on the walls, no standing at the gate hitting it with teaspoons

btw - which kind of water upgrade do i need to trade overseas - harbour, shipwright or dock

[Gusington]

^Harbor, IIRC.

Wasn't '2600 Thracians Came Screaming Over the Wall' a b-side by Men at Work?

[undercovergeek]

that may well be the case - i had 160 chosen men of Sparta who cut through 500 men on top of the wall like a knife through butter

[Gusington]

You won the battle??

[undercovergeek]

No.... I would have done in a straight fight but they surrounded the last of my survivors and headed for the town centre before I realised what they were doing - he had 600 men left to my 500 but I was in better shape.... this wasn't my main army though, next turn came back with the hammers of herakles and their 8/8/11 General and wiped them out

one thracian settlement left, they have no army and then ill have my first 'province' the other 2 i can take have Athens in - im their only ally but they have 38 units to my 24 - itll be troublesome

Fell for the age old trick of signing non aggression pacts with everyone to concentrate on Thrace and now will have to break one if om not taking Athens

[Gusington]

Non aggression pacts should not even be an option! This is Sparta, after all.

[undercovergeek]

so thats Thracia gone and the whole reason for taking it was a complete waste of time...........

depending on which side of the fence you stand there is a design flaw/historical design feature with Sparta - it cant trade with anyone except Athens until it destroys Athens no matter how many ports you capture elsewhere in the world

le sigh - mind you, ive hit spartan pikemen, so after discovering the wonder of pikes and their proper use im going to build them and steam roll athens

[Sir Slash]

That's a real bummer Geek. I knew Sparta was a tough start but not that tough. I say Spartan discrimination. Grounds for a "Do-Over" in my book. On the other hand, as the German Confederation, I control everything north of the Alps but can't build or own a Trade Port. Everything I capture turns into a Fishing Port. We are up to our butts in fish but no trading allowed. Makes you want to stick a short sword into someone.

[undercovergeek]

Lol, yeah well I needed Athens anyway.... I'll point my pukes in that direction

[Gusington]

So after you destroy Athens you can trade as Sparta?

[mikeck]

Burning oil is nasty... Especially if you can get a if group of enemy bunched up

[undercovergeek]

So after you destroy Athens you can trade as Sparta?

Yup it sits on the only road out of Sparta

[Gusington]

Interesting. And with Athens there are regular free trade conditions?