China embarks on carrier program

besilarius · August 29, 2013, 11:16:36 AM

http://www.news.com.au/world-news/photos-show-segments-of-new-chinese-aircraft-carrier-under-construction/story-fndir2ev-1226692542578

I had thought this would be a few more years in the future, due to the problems of developing such complicated systems. Unfortunately, the chinese hired the Brazilians, who have a carrier, to show them the problems. Seems like this gave them a jump of a few years.

GDS_Starfury · August 29, 2013, 11:18:39 AM

somewhere theres a thread with some photos of a deck section showing all of 1 catapult.

Mr. Bigglesworth · August 29, 2013, 05:07:51 PM

Did you see the link there to Japan's new "Destroyer" flat top? Pretty smart actually moving their whole fleet to flat tops... that is my assumption of what they are doing, I did not read that in the article.

Pretty fancy.

BanzaiCat · December 16, 2013, 03:06:53 PM

Saw a video about the Chinese aircraft carrier. The article is pretty meh (I don't get it myself, but I guess they think it's funny over there). What's really interesting is the video at the bottom of the page.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2241513/Forget-Gangnam-Aircraft-Carrier-Style-Hilarious-new-internet-meme-mimicks-Chinese-navy-personnel.html

There's actually no memes in the video (thankfully); it's a 'regular' Chinese news report on the carrier. I speak no Chinese so I have no idea what he's saying, but the video footage of the carrier and the J-15s taking off/landing is very interesting.

However, I did find it amusing that the J-15s have crash test dummy insignia all over them. ;D

What you UK people think is a "hilarious new Internet meme" these days... ::)

EDIT: Well, found a version on YouTube. It's a bit shorter but has much of the good stuff:

GDS_Starfury · December 16, 2013, 05:26:59 PM

so not impressed.

BanzaiCat · December 16, 2013, 05:33:11 PM

I would have thought the crash-test symbols would be rather telling.

The ski-jump is so 1970s and English, at least in my mind. ;)

GDS_Starfury · December 16, 2013, 05:43:46 PM

its the operators, not the ship, that leave me unimpressed.
not that the ship is anything to stress over.

besides the 80+ years and a few wars worth of experience there are currently no US carriers without combat time. lots of it. add to that task force groupings, replenishment at sea, damage control etc. shit, we have so many carriers we base them abroad to make life easier. irony that we base it in Japan. 8)

BanzaiCat · December 16, 2013, 05:53:10 PM

You can tell how proud they are of the damn thing. I wonder if they'd actually even risk it in combat, or leave it close to very heavy land-based air protection, which kind of defeats the purpose of the whole carrier thing. They gotta know we'd blast it to atoms within the first few minutes of a weapons-free love-fest.

Silent Disapproval Robot · December 16, 2013, 06:23:22 PM

Quote from: Banzai_Cat on December 16, 2013, 05:33:11 PM
I would have thought the crash-test symbols would be rather telling.

The ski-jump is so 1970s and English, at least in my mind. ;)

I think that's the Old Soviet Varyag, an Admiral Kuznetzov class heavy cruiser-carrier that the Chinese bought of the Ukranians after the USSR broke up. I was just reading about it in a novel. The Chinese renamed it the Lianoning and are using it for training purposes right now. Supposed to be ready to ready for active service in another couple of years.

GDS_Starfury · December 16, 2013, 06:34:02 PM

FWIW I dont recall anything Soviet ideas about using them the project power south on Iceland. if anything they seemed like bait to draw US CVs into range of Backfires. in the Med they would have lasted all of 24 hours. in the China Sea... meh.

Airborne Rifles · December 16, 2013, 06:54:15 PM

Quote from: Silent Disapproval Robot on December 16, 2013, 06:23:22 PM
Quote from: Banzai_Cat on December 16, 2013, 05:33:11 PM
I would have thought the crash-test symbols would be rather telling.

The ski-jump is so 1970s and English, at least in my mind. ;)

I think that's the Old Soviet Varyag, an Admiral Kuznetzov class heavy cruiser-carrier that the Chinese bought of the Ukranians after the USSR broke up. I was just reading about it in a novel. The Chinese renamed it the Lianoning and are using it for training purposes right now. Supposed to be ready to ready for active service in another couple of years.

What novel?

Airborne Rifles · December 16, 2013, 06:55:03 PM

Quote from: GDS_Starfury on December 16, 2013, 06:34:02 PM
FWIW I dont recall anything Soviet ideas about using them the project power south on Iceland. if anything they seemed like bait to draw US CVs into range of Backfires. in the Med they would have lasted all of 24 hours. in the China Sea... meh.

I seem to recall their doctrine was to use them to protect their SSBNs. I could be wrong.

Silent Disapproval Robot · December 16, 2013, 06:57:41 PM

I don't think the new Chinese carriers are following the same design. I think they just bought the Soviet ship because they could and it'll give them the chance to train up pilots and ship's crew on real world equipment so they'd be ready for their new carriers once they are finished being built. I don't think they'll be using them in the South China Sea. I'd bet they're thinking of using them to project a bit further out than that.

GDS_Starfury · December 16, 2013, 06:57:50 PM

that as well but all those areas are way north and closer to home then Iceland. well under cover of land based air.

Airborne Rifles · December 16, 2013, 07:04:10 PM

Quote from: GDS_Starfury on December 16, 2013, 06:57:50 PM
that as well but all those areas are way north and closer to home then Iceland. well under cover of land based air.

Exactly. I sometimes wonder if the late Tom Clancy (God rest his brilliant soul) did us a bit of a disservice by making us believe in Red Storm Rising and Hunt for Red October that the Russians ever thought they had a chance of closing the Atlantic.