Anti-Semitic Shootings in France, Shooter Dead

Hartford688 · March 22, 2012, 02:06:36 PM

Quote from: MikeGER on March 22, 2012, 10:24:25 AM
what i don't get.... they want him alive, but failed >:(

in German news there were reports: jihadist was hiding in bathroom when the French (lame excuse for a?) SWAT-team entered his place after getting him tired pretty good . he opened up, fired 30 shoots of the 300 rounds! fired in this incident. the Jihaidst jumps out of bathroom window (while police sniper got him in that procedure)
SWAT member told the press later, "he never witness such a heavy aggressive shooting from a suspect"
(what were they expecting? and what were they doing while training the snatch-op in a makeshift mock up of that house? French had time enuf... hell, you just need some poles, lines and blankets and a shooting range ...and full dress rehearsal is SOP, isnt it)

I really don't get it ...you enter the place with a heavy ballistic shield (and maybe a small indoor-drone/robot upfront too), guy opens up ...launcher team outside send couple of 40mm flashbangs and a tear-gas through the bathroom window ... assault team rolls/toss couple of teargas and flashbangs too... and jumps upon him after the last bang... he obviously didn't had rigged the place or his body otherwise he had blown it up on first breach/uncovering of his place

i am disappointed

now he cant be questioned... shit!

You are right. It should have been dead easy. If only you had been there to show them how to do it right. *sigh* Where are the experts with real life experience when you need them?

Gusington · March 22, 2012, 02:07:42 PM

In this day and age it may be a good idea to beef those borders up. Beyond that the guy was already arrested multiple times! And already being watched!! He was already a known danger. Come on people.

Hartford688 · March 22, 2012, 02:08:54 PM

Quote from: Gusington on March 22, 2012, 02:07:42 PM
In this day and age it may be a good idea to beef those borders up. Beyond that the guy was already arrested multiple times! And already being watched!! He was already a known danger. Come on people.

I thought this was quite an interesting article though:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17476996

Gusington · March 22, 2012, 02:12:56 PM

^Well let's look at the author there too. Daughter of a French fascist. I imagine the reality falls somewhere between the liberal and ultra-conservative side. A good start would be to keep criminals out of the country. Or at least better watched.

Hartford688 · March 22, 2012, 02:15:40 PM

Quote from: Gusington on March 22, 2012, 02:12:56 PM
^Well let's look at the author there too. Daughter of a French fascist. I imagine the reality falls somewhere between the liberal and ultra-conservative side. A good start would be to keep criminals out of the country. Or at least better watched.

The author? Marine Le Pen didn't write it.

The problem was this guy was born in France, so hard to keep him out...

Gusington · March 22, 2012, 02:18:12 PM

Not Hugh Schofield the article author, I mean the author of the quote in the intro...Marine Le Pen. This incident will of course be manipulated by people of all political stripes.

LongBlade · March 23, 2012, 08:10:38 AM

He was apparently on the radar of the French for a long time. There's an in-depth report here: http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/23/world/europe/france-missed-signals/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

son_of_montfort · March 23, 2012, 01:24:15 PM

Changed the thread title to match reality.

MikeGER · March 23, 2012, 01:29:31 PM

Quote from: Hartford688 on March 22, 2012, 02:06:36 PM
You are right. It should have been dead easy. If only you had been there to show them how to do it right. *sigh* Where are the experts with real life experience when you need them?

...so do you have my curriculum vita infront of you ;-)

Gusington · March 23, 2012, 01:45:12 PM

Mike_GER are you a police officer? Soldier?

MikeGER · March 23, 2012, 02:24:05 PM

no, and i never fired a shot in anger
well, but in my wild IPSC years (when IPSC was young and wild, and so was i and my buddies:) ) my first shooting instructor was the same who trained SEK (German SWAT) the other day ... and we had access to the same large private contractor owned outdoor range on weekends ... so large, you could drive on it with a car, and they were car wrecks and other 'interesting stuff' too...
(to keep in appliance with German law: we allways shot on ring targets and only one guy in the 'parcour' so)
...some interesting guys with some interresting occupations where hanging out in the early IPSC community those days ... ;D
this is a public forum ...so DADT (even so its 25 years ago, i am very glad that 1. digi/cellular cams did not exist those days;) ...and 2. i never took offers for 'trips' later ... for expl to Yugoslavia)

Bison · March 23, 2012, 02:53:10 PM

I am so confused by that response. So you trained with some swat guys and thankfully forgot your camera at home as you had a bromance in a former soviet country, well at least that what I got out of it.

Centurion40 · March 23, 2012, 02:54:49 PM

And they shot at acrobats on a large range.

MikeGER · March 23, 2012, 02:58:44 PM

Bison, not that DADT ;)
Centurion, well maybe ring-targets are the wrong expression :P let say targets with rings ;)

Bison · March 23, 2012, 03:01:04 PM

Wait. You gave me the winky smiley. I'm so confused right now.