Abe Lincoln on government shutdowns

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October 02, 2013, 07:21:46 AM
In February 1860, Abraham Lincoln gave a speech at New York's Cooper Union that many historians believe catapulted him onto the national stage and into the presidency. It may even be more pertinent today for what he said about intransigent political blocs.

A few excerpts:

Your purpose, then, plainly stated, is that you will destroy the Government, unless you be allowed to construe and enforce the Constitution as you please, on all points in dispute between you and us. You will rule or ruin in all events. [...]

Under all these circumstances, do you really feel yourselves justified to break up this Government unless such a court decision as yours is, shall be at once submitted to as a conclusive and final rule of political action?

But you will not abide the election of a Republican president! In that supposed event, you say, you will destroy the Union; and then, you say, the great crime of having destroyed it will be upon us! That is cool. A highwayman holds a pistol to my ear, and mutters through his teeth, "Stand and deliver, or I shall kill you, and then you will be a murderer!" [...]

A few words now to Republicans. It is exceedingly desirable that all parts of this great Confederacy shall be at peace, and in harmony, one with another. Let us Republicans do our part to have it so. Even though much provoked, let us do nothing through passion and ill temper.
"Most gods throw dice, but Fate plays chess, and you don't find out until too late that he's been playing with two queens all along".  Terry Pratchett.

During filming of Airplane, Leslie Nielsen used a whoopee cushion to keep the cast off-balance. Hays said that Nielsen "played that thing like a maestro"

Tallulah Bankhead: "I'll come and make love to you at five o'clock. If I'm late, start without me."

"When all other trusts fail, turn to Flashman." — Abraham Lincoln.

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Greybriar

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October 02, 2013, 11:19:12 AM
The entire speech can be read here.
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October 02, 2013, 11:31:55 AM
Wise man.
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Keunert

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October 02, 2013, 01:50:27 PM
Commie libtard
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Windigo

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October 02, 2013, 02:38:23 PM
Quote from: Keunert on October 02, 2013, 01:50:27 PM
Commie libtard

lol, the more things change...
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Windigo

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October 02, 2013, 02:40:05 PM
BTW, thank you for sharing that Bessy... very enlightening.  I would be interested to see the Tea Party response to this. Especially from that transplated Canadian down in Texas... glad you got'em now.
My doctor wrote me a prescription for daily sex.

My wife insists that it says dyslexia but what does she know.

besilarius

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October 02, 2013, 03:53:57 PM
Am now looking for references to Groovy in his other speeches.
"Most gods throw dice, but Fate plays chess, and you don't find out until too late that he's been playing with two queens all along".  Terry Pratchett.

During filming of Airplane, Leslie Nielsen used a whoopee cushion to keep the cast off-balance. Hays said that Nielsen "played that thing like a maestro"

Tallulah Bankhead: "I'll come and make love to you at five o'clock. If I'm late, start without me."

"When all other trusts fail, turn to Flashman." — Abraham Lincoln.

"I have enjoyed very warm relations with my two husbands."
"With your eyes closed?"
"That helped."  Lauren Bacall

Master Chiefs are sneaky, dastardly, and snarky miscreants who thrive on the tears of Ensigns and belly dancers.   Admiral Gerry Bogan.

LongBlade

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October 02, 2013, 04:47:56 PM
Quote from: Windigo on October 02, 2013, 02:40:05 PM
BTW, thank you for sharing that Bessy... very enlightening.  I would be interested to see the Tea Party response to this. Especially from that transplated Canadian down in Texas... glad you got'em now.

Surely you're joking.

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October 02, 2013, 07:01:56 PM
Those were very different Republicans back then and Democrats didn't even exist yet.
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Windigo

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October 02, 2013, 10:54:36 PM
Quote from: LongBlade on October 02, 2013, 04:47:56 PM
Quote from: Windigo on October 02, 2013, 02:40:05 PM
BTW, thank you for sharing that Bessy... very enlightening.  I would be interested to see the Tea Party response to this. Especially from that transplated Canadian down in Texas... glad you got'em now.

Surely you're joking.

You do realize that labels can be deceiving, don't you?

its ironic enough that that was the republican party president speaking....

do I have to mention the position Abe was in, as in legislative process/system wise, is pretty close to what the current democratic president is in???

the democrats/president ran and got in because of healthcare policy... in the eyes of the majority of the public he has the moral high ground... sorry if you disagree but that's the look of it from 50 000 feet.

even Forbes bloggers are not onside with the republicans on this one e.g., http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2013/09/30/new-poll-only-one-third-of-americans-support-repealing-defunding-or-delaying-obamacare/
My doctor wrote me a prescription for daily sex.

My wife insists that it says dyslexia but what does she know.
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