StarDrive -- 4x "action strategy"

[Staggerwing]

That would be, IIRC, Emperor's Bane: the Gambit. AFAIK, it's still in, umm... 'early alpha'.

[Martok]

A couple more comments from Dan regarding Desura backers: 

Guys, where on Desura does it say that you are going have Steam access? I have tried to hand out some keys manually but it's too much of a process right now.  I don't even possess steam retail keys for StarDrive.  Which means I will have to repeat the process with Beta keys and retail keys. Even if it takes me 3 hours to do this, it's 3 hours I can't spare right now. I'm trying to debug some shit and get some features in and it's just crunch time. So please be patient.

I will do what I can to get Desura users steam keys when the release rolls around. For now I have my hands full.

What needs to happen is that I will get a big list of keys from Steam, and then the Desura  guys should be able to distribute them to you.

Hmm. 

That would be, IIRC, Emperor's Bane: the Gambit. AFAIK, it's still in, umm... 'early alpha'.

Heh. 

The Minnesota Vikings will win the Super Bowl before a reasonably playable version of that "game" is ever released.  ::) 

[Tpek]

A couple more comments from Dan regarding Desura backers: 

Guys, where on Desura does it say that you are going have Steam access? I have tried to hand out some keys manually but it's too much of a process right now.  I don't even possess steam retail keys for StarDrive.  Which means I will have to repeat the process with Beta keys and retail keys. Even if it takes me 3 hours to do this, it's 3 hours I can't spare right now. I'm trying to debug some shit and get some features in and it's just crunch time. So please be patient.

I will do what I can to get Desura users steam keys when the release rolls around. For now I have my hands full.

What needs to happen is that I will get a big list of keys from Steam, and then the Desura  guys should be able to distribute them to you.

Hmm. 

He seems to consistently dodge dealing with this, and in the while contradicting prior statements.

He said on Desura multiple times that purchasing that will grant immediate access to the game and the finished product.
And as we know already the finished product will be the Steam one.

And 1) It's not 3 hours.
2) Even if it is, then yes he can and should spare them. We paid him for it. Delaying the game's release by 3 hours isn't the wrong course when it's either that
or conning all the previous backers.

Also, both Steam and Desura fully support it. People already answered that to him on his forum. Desura can be used to distribute keys, and Steam specifically states that when
one publishes a game on Steam, Valve supplies any amount of serials needed to give all previous purchasers Steam version access.

[panzerde]

He seems to consistently dodge dealing with this, and in the while contradicting prior statements.

He said on Desura multiple times that purchasing that will grant immediate access to the game and the finished product.
And as we know already the finished product will be the Steam one.

I'm going to go ahead and write off my purchase of this game as a bad job and move on. I hear EA is looking for a new CEO; maybe Zero should apply.

[Huw the Poo]

Tpek, did you get anywhere with your refund?

[Tpek]

I got an answer from Desura alright.
They said that since I paid via PayPal and the order is over 2 months old they cannot refund it.
However they said they are discussing things with the developer, and they offered to replace the game (though I don't know of any other game they have that I want and don't already own and has a similar value :P)

[Nefaro]

My one experience with Desura CS was outstanding. 

I kinda feel sorry for them because the developer shafted them out of the final release.  Lesson learned, I suppose.

[Huw the Poo]

I got an answer from Desura alright.
They said that since I paid via PayPal and the order is over 2 months old they cannot refund it.
However they said they are discussing things with the developer, and they offered to replace the game (though I don't know of any other game they have that I want and don't already own and has a similar value :P)

Huh.  Not sure how I'd feel about that if it were me.  I wonder how the length of time since order comes into play...I mean, you bought into an alpha, so by definition you're not going to have a working product to start with!

What does buying via PayPal have to do with it though?

[Tpek]

I got an answer from Desura alright.
They said that since I paid via PayPal and the order is over 2 months old they cannot refund it.
However they said they are discussing things with the developer, and they offered to replace the game (though I don't know of any other game they have that I want and don't already own and has a similar value :P)

Huh.  Not sure how I'd feel about that if it were me.  I wonder how the length of time since order comes into play...I mean, you bought into an alpha, so by definition you're not going to have a working product to start with!

What does buying via PayPal have to do with it though?

PayPal won't allow them to issue a refund after 2 months.

[Huw the Poo]

PayPal won't allow them to issue a refund after 2 months.

Haha!  Lame.  What's stopping them making a new credit transaction?

[Nefaro]

PayPal won't allow them to issue a refund after 2 months.

Haha!  Lame.  What's stopping them making a new credit transaction?

I've not dug into the lawyer-speak, but there was some complaining about some big list of policy changes that PayPal did not long ago.  I have no idea whether the time limit was part of that, but some PayPal users were expressing their unhappiness a few months ago.  Something about payment cancellation stuff too..

[Huw the Poo]

My point is that if they can't use PayPal's refund mechanism after a certain time, why can't they go around PayPal and just pay money back to the customer?

[son_of_montfort]

My point is that if they can't use PayPal's refund mechanism after a certain time, why can't they go around PayPal and just pay money back to the customer?

AFAIK, there is a strange thing regarding Paypal usage and future refunds. I've heard the exact same excuse used by other retailers in other situations.

But it is likely just a convenient fiction to cover their butts.

[mikeck]

Aside from those who got screwed in the beta release on desura...is anyone playing this beta??? Looks kinda cool.

[bbmike]

Just noticed that Steam updated my beta. Haven't played it in a while so I don't know where it stands.