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You may be dead, but the U.S. government won't take you off its terrorist roster.
That's according to newly leaked internal guidelines from last year that reveal intimate details regarding the government's process for determining whether an individual should be designated as a possible terrorist suspect.
So broad are their criteria that an individual is able to be placed onto a watch list—and kept there—even if he or she is acquitted of a terrorism-related crime. Additionally, the guidelines note that a deceased person's name may stay on the list because such an identity could be used as an alias by a suspected terrorist.
source: http://www.nationaljournal.com/tech/why-the-nsa-keeps-tracking-people-even-after-they-re-dead-20140723
Our tax dollars at work. 166 pages of political B.S.
Sounds like the people who wrote these guidelines are the same people who keep the voter roles up to date for the city of Chicago.
Believing that dead people are a threat would, in most people's view, be expressed with the phrase, "being afraid of ghosts."
Now I know there are a few folks on these boards who believe in ghosts. As a matter of personal belief that's well and good.
But when our national security policy is based on protecting us from the supernatural? I need a job like that.
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Quote from: Labbug on July 24, 2014, 12:09:48 PM
Sounds like the people who wrote these guidelines are the same people who keep the voter roles up to date for the city of Chicago.
:)
Not to be a comedy buzz-kill, but wouldn't this be prudent as dead people's names might be used for naughty purposes?
As Labbug indicated, the Democrats are quite good at getting dead people to vote. If they could only get them to pay taxes too, they'd have it made.
Quote from: Banzai_Cat on July 24, 2014, 01:04:39 PM
Not to be a comedy buzz-kill, but wouldn't this be prudent as dead people's names might be used for naughty purposes?
That's illegal in all fifty states. Russia? Maybe ok to get naughty with the dead. But not here.
I guess I should have clarified that by "naughty" I meant "illegal" and not "necrophiliac." :2funny:
Ambiguous language is a major target for destruction around here.
Quote from: Banzai_Cat on July 24, 2014, 01:04:39 PM
Not to be a comedy buzz-kill, but wouldn't this be prudent as dead people's names might be used for naughty purposes?
As Labbug indicated, the Democrats are quite good at getting dead people to vote. If they could only get them to pay taxes too, they'd have it made.
That is really funny! :2funny: But don't you have inheritance tax on dead people's estates? That's pretty close to getting dead people to pay taxes.... >:D
isnt that a state to state law?
ah, for the US:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estate_tax_in_the_United_States
If an asset is left to a spouse or a Federally recognized charity, the tax usually does not apply. In addition, up to a certain amount varying year by year, amounting to $5,250,000 for estates of persons dying in 2013[2] and $5,340,000 for estates of persons dying in 2014[3] can be given by an individual, before and/or upon their death, without incurring federal gift or estate taxes.[4]
ya, the laws here are loose enough to get away with a lot.
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on August 19, 2014, 10:32:26 PM
isnt that a state to state law?
ah, for the US:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estate_tax_in_the_United_States
If an asset is left to a spouse or a Federally recognized charity, the tax usually does not apply. In addition, up to a certain amount varying year by year, amounting to $5,250,000 for estates of persons dying in 2013[2] and $5,340,000 for estates of persons dying in 2014[3] can be given by an individual, before and/or upon their death, without incurring federal gift or estate taxes.[4]
ya, the laws here are loose enough to get away with a lot.
That's very generous. 8) In the UK you get the spouse exemption, but on the spouses death the allowance IIRC is around £380K, above that you pay 40% Inheritance tax. There are a few other exemptions and reliefs, but that's basically it. :(
QuoteAccording to Weekly Standard writer and Fox News contributor Stephen Hayes, he himself has been placed on the Department of Homeland Security's terrorist watch list. Hayes told his Twitter followers about this development Tuesday:
source: http://dailycaller.com/2014/09/23/stephen-hayes-fox-news-contributor-and-weekly-standard-writer-is-on-the-terrorist-watch-list/
It's entirely prudent to keep people on the watch list even if they are known to be dead. No one is more likely to become a zombie or vampire than a terrorist.
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Quote from: LongBlade on September 24, 2014, 07:16:00 AM
QuoteAccording to Weekly Standard writer and Fox News contributor Stephen Hayes, he himself has been placed on the Department of Homeland Security's terrorist watch list. Hayes told his Twitter followers about this development Tuesday:
source: http://dailycaller.com/2014/09/23/stephen-hayes-fox-news-contributor-and-weekly-standard-writer-is-on-the-terrorist-watch-list/
Maybe rebrand it terror entertainment.
Quote from: LongBlade on September 24, 2014, 07:16:00 AM
QuoteAccording to Weekly Standard writer and Fox News contributor Stephen Hayes, he himself has been placed on the Department of Homeland Security’s terrorist watch list. Hayes told his Twitter followers about this development Tuesday:
source: http://dailycaller.com/2014/09/23/stephen-hayes-fox-news-contributor-and-weekly-standard-writer-is-on-the-terrorist-watch-list/
Dear TSA:
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One wonders who else is on these lists and doesn't even know about it, and can do nothing to be removed?
Quote from: LongBlade on September 24, 2014, 11:14:09 AM
One wonders who else is on these lists and doesn't even know about it, and can do nothing to be removed?
How would one go about finding out if they are on the List?
Quote from: Barthheart on September 24, 2014, 11:17:04 AM
Quote from: LongBlade on September 24, 2014, 11:14:09 AM
One wonders who else is on these lists and doesn't even know about it, and can do nothing to be removed?
How would one go about finding out if they are on the List?
As I understand it there are multiple lists.
In Hayes' case the airlines told him.
In most cases I don't think you ever know. It's a real star chamber...staffed by government bureaucrats.
Nothing could go wrong there.
Mr. Hayes had a short interview on WLS radio this morning. He said he thought he might have gotten on the terrorist watch list because he had gotten a one way airline ticket to Turkey within the last couple of months. He did talk to the TSA and asked how he could get off the list. I think (if I am remembering the interview correctly) they told him to go to their website and fill out some forms and submit them. He filled out the forms, but at end the form it said he needed to submit his passport to them. At the time of the radio interview he did not know if he needed to mail his passport in or take it into a TSA office along with his forms.
Quote from: Labbug on September 24, 2014, 02:45:08 PM
Mr. Hayes had a short interview on WLS radio this morning. He said he thought he might have gotten on the terrorist watch list because he had gotten a one way airline ticket to Turkey within the last couple of months. He did talk to the TSA and asked how he could get off the list. I think (if I am remembering the interview correctly) they told him to go to their website and fill out some forms and submit them. He filled out the forms, but at end the form it said he needed to submit his passport to them. At the time of the radio interview he did not know if he needed to mail his passport in or take it into a TSA office along with his forms.
I heard that story, too. Funny how the process breaks at the end.
Meanwhile, the ACLU estimates about a million Americans are on some kind of list: https://www.aclu.org/technology-and-liberty/watch-lists
That number is likely conservative.
Probably the whole world is on the list. It's the excuse for taking everyone's data.
You might be right.
The problem is the bigger the data set, the more confused it gets. I'm still waiting to hear the first example of success from all these programs. Best I can tell, all it does is undermine the Constitution and bankrupt the nation.
They have to start somewhere.