Thinking of picking this up even though probably not the greatest from ai/graphics standpoint, but interested in the material it covers. This is available from hps in physical form and tiller in download.
I can get the hps version for about half the price as the download so leaning that way...so my question. Are both versions equally updated or is only the tiller version updated nowadays? Wasn't sure if the vowed to get both versions updated, if new updates ever came out.
Pretty sure there are no differences, the updates for the latest versions are all downloads on the HPS site.
I don't believe there have been any updates to this beyond what's available at the HPS website. Right now I only see one title (Campaign Waterloo) that specifically indicates that the update is only for the JTS version.
These don't tend to get a lot of updates, anyway. The basic engine is pretty stable after all these years.
I believe it did have an update in Feb 2013, not bad for a game that was released in 2002, receiving 11 years of support....no idea if any further updates will come, but probably unlikely...
So before I pull the trigger, any comments on the game itself? Good representation of the middle east conflict?
I can only talk about Fulda Gap.
Mods for HPS games including Middle East 67
http://volcanomods.com (http://volcanomods.com)
And be sure to take a look at the MapMod site: http://www.hist-sdc.com/MapMod/modern.htm
I really like his map graphic O0
Hi Grim Reaper,
you could also check out Peoples General IDF; it covers many wars in middle east.
Here for free download:
www.peoplesgeneral.de
Micha
Thanks for the mod links, those do look nice.....
To play this games you must learn the basicrules of Peoples General.
Quote from: reapagan on August 03, 2014, 06:37:29 PM
Pretty sure there are no differences, the updates for the latest versions are all downloads on the HPS site.
The HPS version has no DRM on it.
That's a big difference IMO.
jts versions ARE different from hps versions.
i bought all my panzer campaigns from jts and almost all are updated to their new download-only model (license?).
e.g. smolensk from jts is NOT compatible with mapmod from jison - the tileset is a little different.
other panzer campaigns have similar problems - mods are not 100% working - especially the tilesets.
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on August 03, 2014, 04:54:22 PM
Thinking of picking this up even though probably not the greatest from ai/graphics standpoint, but interested in the material it covers. This is available from hps in physical form and tiller in download.
I can get the hps version for about half the price as the download so leaning that way...so my question. Are both versions equally updated or is only the tiller version updated nowadays? Wasn't sure if the vowed to get both versions updated, if new updates ever came out.
I bought this direct from JTS a couple of months back. I believe that going forward JTS versions will probably get patched before the equivalent HPS versions.
I discovered, to my surprise, that there are a few slight differences between the graphics of the JTS and HPS versions. I found this out when I installed the Volcano Man mod, hoping that my own modding days were over.
First, let me say that the Volcano Man mod is absolutely essential, because there are several scenarios and at least one campaign that are not covered in the vanilla game for some reason, but that are covered by the mod. So if you haven't played the game with his mod installed, you haven't experienced the whole game by a long shot.
The main difference between the HPS and JTS versions has to do with where the engine goes to look for terrain on the terrain bitmaps. The JTS version has terrain features which don't appear in the HPS version, so Jison's mods, which are keyed to the HPS version, don't really work with the JTS version.
I've put together a mod based on Volcano Man and the JTS version which I haven't released yet because I'm still working on the sound files. I had to order two cd's from Italy which took three months to arrive (they finally showed up last week) and when I've sorted through them and subjected my neighbors to several hours of Arab music, I'll be able to finish the mod. The graphics part of the mod was finished months ago, and looks somewhat similar to what I did with my two Panzer Campaigns North Africa mods.
Quote from: Asid on August 03, 2014, 10:16:06 PM
Mods for HPS games including Middle East 67
http://volcanomods.com (http://volcanomods.com)
^^Definitely a major improvement for the unit card graphics.
There are a few other graphic mods that make a huge difference - Philippe Devine's are very good, Map Mod, and assorted art mods like Hans Boersma's modern town/city/village, and Bill Peters road mod are ideal additions. If you get it, Al Sandriks collections of scenarios will take you into the 1973 Yom Kippur conflict, and Syria 2006 - a lot of well designed sceeanrios there. Also get hold of Péter Szabó's 1982 Lebanon scenario which is very good.
Hope that helps. :)
Some good mods
http://members.shaw.ca/gcsaunders/welcome.html (http://members.shaw.ca/gcsaunders/welcome.html)
Thanks for the additional detail on mods and differences between versions...leanings towards the hps version and then applying all the mods.
There's been a bit of chit-chat as to whether the Waterloo decision was a deliberate move to "reclaim" the HPS versions of the games or not.
I can only say that I have long appreciated the support for these games that probably haven't made money for JTS in ages.
That, I'd never play the Napoleonic or PZC games with the stock graphics. Hard to bear...
Best,
Jim
"Cyrano"
:/7)
Quote from: Cyrano on August 04, 2014, 06:19:25 PM
That, I'd never play the Napoleonic or PZC games with the stock graphics. Hard to bear...
I'm the same. Fortunately there are alternatives with the mods - and some are gorgeous like exjax2's napoleonic 3d art mods... That said, things are looking up at JTS - Joe Amoral did some really cool unit cards for Panzer Battles Kursk - completely new approach, and very welcome. I hope he rolls it back to the old titles. O0
Link?
http://mapmod.hist-sdc.com/ -- for the PZC series
http://www.volcanomods.com/ -- everything
Amazed at the effort people put out there just to make our games better.
Thanks to them!!
Best,
Jim
"Cyrano"
:/7)
Quote from: Cyrano on August 06, 2014, 03:45:27 PM
http://mapmod.hist-sdc.com/ -- for the PZC series
http://www.volcanomods.com/ -- everything
Amazed at the effort people put out there just to make our games better.
Thanks to them!!
Best,
Jim
"Cyrano"
:/7)
Definitely +1. The modding community deserves our thanks... regularly! :smitten: O0
Does anyone have screen pictures of Middle East with all the mods applied?
Hope this helps
Mapmods + Volcanomods (i listed both links.
The first is with the "View" "special markers on top" option
(https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fgrogheads.com%2Fforums%2Findex.php%3Faction%3Ddlattach%3Btopic%3D10825.0%3Battach%3D3980%3Bimage&hash=d2dd3a1e273685ab1fd54939882953ec4f06fc49)
(https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fgrogheads.com%2Fforums%2Findex.php%3Faction%3Ddlattach%3Btopic%3D10825.0%3Battach%3D3982%3Bimage&hash=b43f70df7937f63a372df886fb1ecb4c1646a25b)
The above screenshots are from the HPS install
Thank you for posting...looks pretty good
(https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hpssims.com%2Fpages%2Fproducts%2Fmodbat%2Fmideast67%2FME1.jpg&hash=1ec5a2047ebcdcfce9492249f1eb72afae6db801)
Original "vanilla" version
Quote from: Boggit on August 06, 2014, 02:05:52 PM
I'm the same. Fortunately there are alternatives with the mods - and some are gorgeous like exjax2's napoleonic 3d art mods... That said, things are looking up at JTS - Joe Amoral did some really cool unit cards for Panzer Battles Kursk - completely new approach, and very welcome. I hope he rolls it back to the old titles. O0
Agree on the Kursk graphics - much improved. JTS is applying that map style to the Panzer Campaigns games, but not yet to the unit markers.
Any link on the Napoleonic 3D mod? Not having any luck with Uncle Google.
Just curious, is anyone able to download the art pack for Middle east from the mod site? I get "You are trying to access from a non-authorized domain. (www.volcanomods.com)" when I try to do it. Other packs seem to download ok. Not sure if just me, or problem with the download itsemf.
http://www.volcanomods.com/index.php?option=com_docman&task=cat_view&gid=14&Itemid=27
Quote from: panzerde on August 06, 2014, 08:13:56 PM
Any link on the Napoleonic 3D mod? Not having any luck with Uncle Google.
Napoleon's Russian Campaign Art Mod by Philippehttps://app.box.com/s/d0d3d0a21e49cd9420f2 (https://app.box.com/s/d0d3d0a21e49cd9420f2)
Quote from: Asid on August 06, 2014, 08:41:18 PM
Quote from: panzerde on August 06, 2014, 08:13:56 PM
Any link on the Napoleonic 3D mod? Not having any luck with Uncle Google.
Napoleon's Russian Campaign Art Mod by Philippe
https://app.box.com/s/d0d3d0a21e49cd9420f2 (https://app.box.com/s/d0d3d0a21e49cd9420f2)
Thanks. Didn't realize he was talking about Philippe's mod. I have that; I thought this was a different 3D mod.
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on August 06, 2014, 08:40:45 PM
Just curious, is anyone able to download the art pack for Middle east from the mod site? I get "You are trying to access from a non-authorized domain. (www.volcanomods.com)" when I try to do it. Other packs seem to download ok. Not sure if just me, or problem with the download itsemf.
http://www.volcanomods.com/index.php?option=com_docman&task=cat_view&gid=14&Itemid=27
Here you go
Middle East '67 Art Packhttp://www.volcanomods.com/downloads/Middle_East67.zip (http://www.volcanomods.com/downloads/Middle_East67.zip)
Middle East '67 Expansion (Jihad 2004 & Lebanon '82)http://www.volcanomods.com/downloads/Jihad04_Lebanon82(ME67_exp).zip (http://www.volcanomods.com/downloads/Jihad04_Lebanon82(ME67_exp).zip)
Quote from: Asid on August 06, 2014, 08:48:13 PM
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on August 06, 2014, 08:40:45 PM
Just curious, is anyone able to download the art pack for Middle east from the mod site? I get "You are trying to access from a non-authorized domain. (www.volcanomods.com)" when I try to do it. Other packs seem to download ok. Not sure if just me, or problem with the download itsemf.
http://www.volcanomods.com/index.php?option=com_docman&task=cat_view&gid=14&Itemid=27
Here you go
Middle East '67 Art Pack
http://www.volcanomods.com/downloads/Middle_East67.zip (http://www.volcanomods.com/downloads/Middle_East67.zip)
Middle East '67 Expansion (Jihad 2004 & Lebanon '82)
http://www.volcanomods.com/downloads/Jihad04_Lebanon82(ME67_exp).zip (http://www.volcanomods.com/downloads/Jihad04_Lebanon82(ME67_exp).zip)
Excellent...thank you!
Damn it! I also get the forbidden message on my pc (but not my mobile).
What is wrong with that site? :idiot2:
Edit: Looks like clicking the image instead of the download button works. Must be that 64bit issue in the FAQ.
I installed the Danube Front mod but the map is the same.
I do see the unit icons and come map elements changed but not the map.
Any ideas.
My Danube Front is the Tiller Version.
Now I know. The Danube Front does not have alternate map graphics. Just the unit art.
I cannot download the map mod from here:
http://mapmod.hist-sdc.com/modern.htm
Quote from: jomni on August 07, 2014, 07:42:45 AM
I installed the Danube Front mod but the map is the same.
I do see the unit icons and come map elements changed but not the map.
Any ideas.
My Danube Front is the Tiller Version.
Now I know. The Danube Front does not have alternate map graphics. Just the unit art.
I cannot download the map mod from here:
http://mapmod.hist-sdc.com/modern.htm
Here you goDanube Front '85http://mapmod.hist-sdc.com/Files/MapMod.MC.Danube.rar (http://mapmod.hist-sdc.com/Files/MapMod.MC.Danube.rar)
I have the hps versions. i believe someone said the file structures varied between HPS and JTS versions.
Regards
Quote from: Asid on August 07, 2014, 08:19:15 AM
Quote from: jomni on August 07, 2014, 07:42:45 AM
I installed the Danube Front mod but the map is the same.
I do see the unit icons and come map elements changed but not the map.
Any ideas.
My Danube Front is the Tiller Version.
Now I know. The Danube Front does not have alternate map graphics. Just the unit art.
I have the hps versions. i believe someone said the file structures varied between HPS and JTS versions.
This.
The graphic mods aren't fully compatible with the Tiller version.
Yup. I just found out. Looks like the tiller maps have been changed from the HPS one. The Map mods don't work and I see black tiles.
The unit and icons still work though.
Quote from: jomni on August 07, 2014, 09:41:11 AM
Yup. I just found out. Looks like the tiller maps have been changed from the HPS one. The Map mods don't work and I see black tiles.
The unit and icons still work though.
The map mods are the ones that make it look so drastically different, though.
I kinda feel sorry for those who have the Tiller version. Having to trade such good map mods for.... activation DRM? Ugh. :knuppel2: