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Title: Campaign Series Vietnam - Scenario Question
Post by: Jason Petho on February 06, 2016, 12:09:37 PM
Good day.

While we continue to work on the game, a preliminary question to our potential customers.

What kind of scenarios or campaigns would you like to see included? What would you like to do? What would you like to see?

Thank you.

Jason Petho
Title: Re: Campaign Series Vietnam - Scenario Question
Post by: BigBlueFleet on February 06, 2016, 01:28:26 PM
I'd love to see the siege at khe sanh. Best of luck Jason!
Title: Re: Campaign Series Vietnam - Scenario Question
Post by: Philippe on February 06, 2016, 01:43:32 PM
Something from the earliest part of the war, maybe a scenario about the coup that toppled Diem, several scenarios from Tet including the assault on the embassy in Saigon and the battles in the north, something involving the brown water navy, something involving Montagnards, several air cavalry scenarios, lots of supply column ambushes, the siege of Khe Sanh, the year of the rat offensive, and the fall of Saigon.

It would be nice to have about four or five of the same type of scenario but from different periods of the war to show how things changed.  It would also be nice to have something about Cambodia and the Khmer rouge, and/or that late-war offensive that strayed accross the Cambodian border, and Laos shouldn't be left out either.  Maybe an LRRP ?

If you need a what-if, do a scenario about a special forces raid on the North to rescue prisoners from the Hanoi Hotel.  If you want to stay closer to reality, there's always the commando raid on that freighter that was seized after Cambodia fell.

And Arc Light.  Lots of Arc Light.

(But please don't leave out the brown water navy: sailing up the river is iconic).
Title: Re: Campaign Series Vietnam - Scenario Question
Post by: Skoop on February 06, 2016, 01:45:37 PM
Yeah, those big conventional fights that happened periodically would be best.  Not sure how the engine will handle the asymmetric part of the smaller operations.

I bet the Quang Tri easter offensive 1972 would be a good one for the engine.  Battle for Hue might be doable.  Lam Son 719 would be a great one if the helos are modeled right.
Title: Re: Campaign Series Vietnam - Scenario Question
Post by: Jarhead0331 on February 06, 2016, 02:03:54 PM
Dien Bien Phu.
Helicopter/Air Cav operations including the Ia Drang Valley
Hue
Naval Aviation operations from Yankee Station
Title: Re: Campaign Series Vietnam - Scenario Question
Post by: Philippe on February 06, 2016, 02:04:59 PM
At the risk of dating myself, the original Steel Panther had a good selection of Vietnam scenarios, many of which don't seem to have made it into the current versions. 

I haven't looked at Camo workshop in a while so I don't know what's in or out at the moment, but what sticks in my mind from the old days is a city-clearing scenario (I think it was from year of the rat) involving ARVN and NVA, a brown river navy scenario in the Mekong with a winding river and lots of jungle, a great supply column ambush, and an assault on a Green Beret/Montagnard fortified post.
Title: Re: Campaign Series Vietnam - Scenario Question
Post by: BanzaiCat on February 06, 2016, 02:48:01 PM
+1 to Dien Bien Phu and Ia Drang Valley scenarios.

Huế, definitely.

Khe Sanh, too.

Thanks!

Title: Re: Campaign Series Vietnam - Scenario Question
Post by: panzerde on February 06, 2016, 03:09:17 PM
All of the above, and be sure to include the ROK and Australians if possible. In addition to some stuff from the First Indochina War, covering the later Vietnamese intervention in Cambodia and the Viet-Chinese border war might also be interesting.

Title: Re: Campaign Series Vietnam - Scenario Question
Post by: Philippe on February 06, 2016, 03:43:54 PM
There's probably enough in here for at least two games.
Title: Re: Campaign Series Vietnam - Scenario Question
Post by: Jarhead0331 on February 06, 2016, 04:01:00 PM
Quote from: Philippe on February 06, 2016, 03:43:54 PM
There's probably enough in here for at least two games.

Don't give them any ideas. We want it all...now.
Title: Re: Campaign Series Vietnam - Scenario Question
Post by: Nefaro on February 06, 2016, 04:13:40 PM
Quote from: Skoop on February 06, 2016, 01:45:37 PM
Yeah, those big conventional fights that happened periodically would be best.


The Marine & Army Defense of Dong Ha base in '68. (http://www.amazon.com/Magnificent-Bastards-Joint-Army-Marine-Defense/dp/089141861X/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1454793064&sr=1-1&keywords=magnificent+bastards)


And other such large battles with the NVA.   
Title: Re: Campaign Series Vietnam - Scenario Question
Post by: Pinetree on February 06, 2016, 04:16:20 PM
Quote from: panzerde on February 06, 2016, 03:09:17 PM
All of the above, and be sure to include the ROK and Australians if possible. In addition to some stuff from the First Indochina War, covering the later Vietnamese intervention in Cambodia and the Viet-Chinese border war might also be interesting.



The Battle of Long Tan would be reasonably small scenario at this scale. A company of Aussie infantry against a VC Regiment..
Title: Re: Campaign Series Vietnam - Scenario Question
Post by: magnus on February 06, 2016, 05:08:15 PM
+2 to Dien Bien Phu
Title: Re: Campaign Series Vietnam - Scenario Question
Post by: Jason Petho on February 06, 2016, 05:48:02 PM
Our plans are to ensure there is coverage between 1948-1985

That being the case, the countries we'll be including in the first release of the game are:

China
USA
France
South Vietnam
North Vietnam (Broken up into the Viet Minh, Viet Cong, NVA and PAVN units depending on timing)
South Korea
Laos
Cambodia
Australia
New Zealand
Generic Pro-West (Hmong Guerrilla's after 1976)
Generic Pro-East (Khmer Rouge and Pathet Lao)

With these countries, we should be able to depict most, if not all, of the requests so far.

Jason Petho
Title: Re: Campaign Series Vietnam - Scenario Question
Post by: -budd- on February 06, 2016, 06:47:40 PM
Thought the french were gonna make it in
Title: Re: Campaign Series Vietnam - Scenario Question
Post by: Jason Petho on February 06, 2016, 07:11:58 PM
Ah crap, yes, they are also included.

Edited above.

Jason Petho
Title: Re: Campaign Series Vietnam - Scenario Question
Post by: panzerde on February 06, 2016, 07:42:20 PM
French depicted in game:


Title: Re: Campaign Series Vietnam - Scenario Question
Post by: bbmike on February 06, 2016, 09:55:02 PM
Now go away or I shall taunt you a second time!  ;D
Title: Re: Campaign Series Vietnam - Scenario Question
Post by: Staggerwing on February 07, 2016, 03:25:35 PM
I see you have China and Cambodia already on the roster. Is that for some scenarios from the Cambodian-Vietnamese and Sino-Vietnamese wars?
Title: Re: Campaign Series Vietnam - Scenario Question
Post by: Jason Petho on February 07, 2016, 05:38:42 PM
That is correct, Staggerwing.
Title: Re: Campaign Series Vietnam - Scenario Question
Post by: Jason Petho on February 11, 2016, 09:42:09 PM
Here is a preview of one of the tools that I have had created to assist in the development of infantry statistics and weapon values.

There are a number of different equations, calculations and modifiers that are possible with the Infantry Model Calculator.

The highlighted section on the bottom is the results that is ready to copy and paste into the weapons file.

Jason Petho


Title: Re: Campaign Series Vietnam - Scenario Question
Post by: JudgeDredd on February 12, 2016, 01:57:31 AM
If you are going to do this, please do the scenarios right.

For example, for Ia Drang make sure to put victory points correctly so the player has to keep the LZs open and if he doesn't, prevent reinforcements

That goes for any scenarios where reinforcements were dropped in using air cav.
Title: Re: Campaign Series Vietnam - Scenario Question
Post by: Jason Petho on February 12, 2016, 10:21:11 AM
Great feedback! Thank you!
Title: Re: Campaign Series Vietnam - Scenario Question
Post by: PAK on February 12, 2016, 06:46:11 PM
Easter Offensive 1972, 1975 Communist offensives, with hypothetical American interventions (air/land/sea).
Title: Re: Campaign Series Vietnam - Scenario Question
Post by: Crossroads on February 13, 2016, 06:42:54 AM
Quote from: JudgeDredd on February 12, 2016, 01:57:31 AM
If you are going to do this, please do the scenarios right.

For example, for Ia Drang make sure to put victory points correctly so the player has to keep the LZs open and if he doesn't, prevent reinforcements

That goes for any scenarios where reinforcements were dropped in using air cav.

There's a plan in place for an Event Engine to do just that. Events such as reinforcements could happen under a set of rules, for instance only if a certain hex is under friendly control  O0