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What's the premise this time....? ::)
QuoteAlien: Covenant will follow the crew of a colony ship that's been sent to a planet on the far side of the galaxy that they believe to be an "uncharted paradise." Little do they know of the horrors that await them below. The cast includes Katherine Waterston as Daniels, Danny McBride as the ship's pilot, Guy Peace as Peter Weyland, Michael Fassbender as David (the same android from Prometheus) and Walter, Noomi Rapace as Elizabeth Shaw, Billy Crudup, Demián Bichir and more.
yadda, yadda...aliens kill the crap out of everyone.
So something different.
it's a cool poster at least.
What about the part in the middle? You know, where Rapace drags Fassbinder's head and body into the spaceship and flies to the creators' homeworld to open them a can of their own whoop-ass?
Quote from: Staggerwing on November 24, 2016, 09:59:54 AM
What about the part in the middle? You know, where Rapace drags Fassbinder's head and body into the spaceship and flies to the creators' homeworld to open them a can of their own whoop-ass?
I'm fine with dropping that.
OK. Moving along...
It's been 30 years since a good Alien movie :-\
That's why they should stop trying....
I don't disagree.
This new movie could work if Danny McBride is Kenny Powers.
Quote from: Staggerwing on November 24, 2016, 09:59:54 AM
What about the part in the middle? You know, where Rapace drags Fassbinder's head and body into the spaceship and flies to the creators' homeworld to open them a can of their own whoop-ass?
I expect they dovetail with the colony ship story: end up being the same place.
I enjoyed Prometheus and Alien 3. Send your active lawsuits to my legal counsel.
Quote from: Gusington on November 28, 2016, 03:20:40 PM
I enjoyed Prometheus and Alien 3. Send your active lawsuits to my legal counsel.
I actually enjoyed all the Alien-related movies, not counting the AvP things which I have not seen. Can we be co-defendents?
I liked Promethius and the AvP movies too. And both Predators. I can't afford lawyers so you'll just have to come over and take my collection of Bobble-Head Presidents.
I'm not sure if you want to be seen with me - I'm hideous and so is my cinematic taste.
Quote from: Staggerwing on November 28, 2016, 07:18:07 PM
Quote from: Gusington on November 28, 2016, 03:20:40 PM
I enjoyed Prometheus and Alien 3. Send your active lawsuits to my legal counsel.
I actually enjoyed all the Alien-related movies, not counting the AvP things which I have not seen. Can we be co-defendents?
I don't even know where to start. Every movie after Aliens has been varying shades of awful.
We've been through this before. I've embraced my hideosity and my horrible cinematic love. Get off my cloud!
Prometheus sucked ballz.
Much like...[...]
Starfury?
Quote from: mirth on November 28, 2016, 09:37:32 PM
Quote from: Staggerwing on November 28, 2016, 07:18:07 PM
Quote from: Gusington on November 28, 2016, 03:20:40 PM
I enjoyed Prometheus and Alien 3. Send your active lawsuits to my legal counsel.
I actually enjoyed all the Alien-related movies, not counting the AvP things which I have not seen. Can we be co-defendents?
I don't even know where to start. Every movie after Aliens has been varying shades of awful.
Your learned cinematic post-mortems will probably apogee far above my lizard-brain capacity for comprehension. This weekend I yeehawed my way through Independence Day 2 with a complete lack of shame. Before any alcohol.
I wanna see that too. HAR
This is my stop. No need to slow-down. I'll just jump for it.
Quote from: mirth on November 28, 2016, 09:47:36 PM
Prometheus sucked ballz.
As a Sci-Fi movie, I really liked Prometheus...enough to have already watched it 3 times and I'd probably watch it again if it comes on telly.
I also quite liked the tie in to Alien
I guess I'm in the minority L:-)
You are a gentleman and a scholar.
shameful
One thing I never could figure-out about the Alien movies is how the big corporation seems to know all about the Aliens, and wants to catch one, but nobody else knows anything about them. How does the big corp. know about them? Maybe the next film Mirth hates will explain it all. ;D
Your questions have already been answered :D
QuoteSome time prior to 2122, the Weyland-Yutani Corporation detected the signal being broadcast from the derelict on Acheron (LV-426), the middle moon of 3 orbiting the ringed planet Calpamos. While the language was unknown, the company succeeded in deciphering enough of the message to learn it was a warning regarding the deadly species Xenomorph XX121. They subsequently dispatched the USCSS Nostromo to investigate, without the crew's knowledge, leading to initial human contact with the Xenomorph, the death of all but one of the ship's crew and the loss of the Nostromo itself. While the incident and the existence of the Xenomorph was apparently covered up by those involved, in a twist of irony the company later coincidentally established the Hadley's Hope terraforming colony on LV-426.
Quote from: Staggerwing on November 28, 2016, 09:52:27 PM
Quote from: mirth on November 28, 2016, 09:37:32 PM
Quote from: Staggerwing on November 28, 2016, 07:18:07 PM
Quote from: Gusington on November 28, 2016, 03:20:40 PM
I enjoyed Prometheus and Alien 3. Send your active lawsuits to my legal counsel.
I actually enjoyed all the Alien-related movies, not counting the AvP things which I have not seen. Can we be co-defendents?
I don't even know where to start. Every movie after Aliens has been varying shades of awful.
Your learned cinematic post-mortems will probably apogee far above my lizard-brain capacity for comprehension. This weekend I yeehawed my way through Independence Day 2 with a complete lack of shame. Before any alcohol.
There isn't enough alcohol in the world (nor the time to drink it) that would allow me to sit in front of the screen for even 5 minutes of that film! :hide:
Quote from: Gusington on November 28, 2016, 03:20:40 PM
I enjoyed Prometheus and Alien 3. Send your active lawsuits to my legal counsel.
I approve this message.
Continue sending all complaints to Gus' legal counsel.
Thanks for that info Mirth. But now they know that we know. Everybody get your Mouth-Guards ready.
Prometheus had such cool potential - the wacky story line was somewhat disappointing, but Charlize Theron made up for the that !
Quote from: MIGMaster on November 29, 2016, 02:05:13 PM
Prometheus had such cool potential - the wacky story line was somewhat disappointing, but Charlize Theron made up for the that !
If only her character knew how to run to the side...
Quote from: mirth on November 29, 2016, 10:49:01 AM
Your questions have already been answered :D
QuoteSome time prior to 2122, the Weyland-Yutani Corporation detected the signal being broadcast from the derelict on Acheron (LV-426), the middle moon of 3 orbiting the ringed planet Calpamos. While the language was unknown, the company succeeded in deciphering enough of the message to learn it was a warning regarding the deadly species Xenomorph XX121. They subsequently dispatched the USCSS Nostromo to investigate, without the crew's knowledge, leading to initial human contact with the Xenomorph, the death of all but one of the ship's crew and the loss of the Nostromo itself. While the incident and the existence of the Xenomorph was apparently covered up by those involved, in a twist of irony the company later coincidentally established the Hadley's Hope terraforming colony on LV-426.
Most of that even comes from the first movie. (Or Alien 1 if the prequels now count or will count as "firsts".)
I suppose it's canon now that W-Y only coincidentally sent colonists to LV-426? Because under the circumstances I have a hard time buying that as coincidence. Though they're such a huge megacorp, maybe it could have happened without one tentacle knowing what the other tentacle was doing.
This is supposed to be canonical backstory for the colony on LV-426
http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/Alien:_River_of_Pain (http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/Alien:_River_of_Pain)
Ah; as I thought, not a coincidence: W-Y sent them there expecting them to discover some kind of alien artifact or presence.
I've always wished this script had been used for Alien 3. Would have been so much better than what was shot.
http://www.awesomefilm.com/script/Alien3.txt
Yeah, what I skimmed through seemed high enough quality to be a good transition into TYRANNIDS! :D Y'know, effectively. Not sure how I feel about Ripley being dumped out of the plot, but at least she isn't dumped unceremoniously, and they leave a plot opening for her to return. I guess with Weaver getting older and wanting to do other things, this was mandated plot point.
F*ck Alien 3. That movie sucks, though there are a few redeeming qualities (Roc, other decent actors, it's Aliens). In my book it's by far the worst of the series, and that's counting the two AvP movies. It could have been so much better, IMO anyway, and of course nobody asked at the time. :'(
I enjoy Alien 3. I like design of the prison, the absence of high tech weapons, the semi-medieval feel of the movie, Roc, and some of the other performances. Does it come close to Alien or Aliens? No. It's a very different movie.
I've never seen any of the AvP movies but I did see Resurrection - now that movie sucked.
Quote from: JasonPratt on November 30, 2016, 09:09:54 AM
Yeah, what I skimmed through seemed high enough quality to be a good transition into TYRANNIDS! :D Y'know, effectively. Not sure how I feel about Ripley being dumped out of the plot, but at least she isn't dumped unceremoniously, and they leave a plot opening for her to return. I guess with Weaver getting older and wanting to do other things, this was mandated plot point.
When that script was written, they weren't sure Sigourney Weaver would come back for a third movie. She was kinda done with the part back then. So they had to write around her.
Quote from: Banzai_Cat on November 30, 2016, 09:14:35 AM
F*ck Alien 3. That movie sucks, though there are a few redeeming qualities (Roc, other decent actors, it's Aliens). In my book it's by far the worst of the series, and that's counting the two AvP movies. It could have been so much better, IMO anyway, and of course nobody asked at the time. :'(
I don't know if I'd say it was worse than the AvP movies, but yeah Alien 3 sucked. It was stuck in development hell for several years and the result was a mishmash of rewrites, changes in producers/directors and the studio wanting to make a movie no matter what. Fincher nearly quit film making altogether because of the pressure and interference from the studio.
I like A3 a little more every time I watch it -- which admittedly isn't often, and I can't decide if I like the director's cut better. (Probably so...?) I just have to get past it not being AT ALL what I wanted from "Alien-cubed". (Pro-note: if you're making a movie with a fan-base who loved Aliens, and you market your film as ALIEN-CUBED, you should dang well have more aliens than "Aliens" did. :pullhair: ) Once I get past that, I'm okay with it. It's a miracle the film is as good as it is (in either cut).
A4, again I'm okay with it, partly because it's a little more like what I wanted from A3. Both films are highly weird in somewhat different ways.
Never saw AvP2; I keep meaning to watch AvP1 someday -- from what I've seen, and having adjusted for expectations, I'd probably like it. But my expectations aren't high enough to get around to actually watching it, obvs. ::)
Alien 4 was...different. Enjoyable to a point, but not nearly as good as the other movies (though better than 3). It didn't help that Joss Whedon's script was pretty much shredded by Jean-Pierre Jeunet (http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/alien/38965/alien-resurrection-joss-whedons-original-endings).
There was is no way on God's green earth that Alien 4 is better than Alien 3.
I think 3 and 4 are pretty much the same quality, e.g. steaming piles of feces. :)
Though I think we've argued this point, Gus, at least once a year for the last three years. Alien 3 has grown on me - a little. A very little. I remember seeing 4 in the theaters and thought it was much better than 3, at least until that stupid hybrid thing at the end. I mean, come on...Ron Perlman was a big part of my enjoyment of 4. Without him that movie would have been easily the worst of the franchise. IMO anyway.
I think this argument reaches back to the other site and perhaps as far back as 2002.
Quote from: Gusington on December 01, 2016, 11:05:35 AM
I think this argument reaches back to the other site and perhaps as far back as 2002.
If you'd just accept that you are wrong, we could move on with our lives.
Quote from: Gusington on December 01, 2016, 11:05:35 AM
I think this argument reaches back to the other site and perhaps as far back as 2002.
No doubt.
Oh, and the underwater scene in 4 was pretty good, too.
Alien 4 just rings hallow to me, where Alien 3 does not...it feels authentic to the Alien universe.
Quote from: Banzai_Cat on December 01, 2016, 11:09:37 AM
Oh, and the underwater scene in 4 was pretty good, too.
By far, the best part of that movie.
Well, the basketball scene was pretty good too.
Quote from: Gusington on December 01, 2016, 11:11:39 AM
Alien 4 just rings hallow to me, where Alien 3 does not...it feels authentic to the Alien universe.
You've clearly been eating too much "Canadian Bacon".... L:-)
Quote from: Gusington on December 01, 2016, 11:11:39 AM
Alien 4 just rings hallow to me, where Alien 3 does not...it feels authentic to the Alien universe.
Alien 3 feels authentic to the universe?! You're insane :crazy2:
I can tell Alien 3 to go jump off a cliff and die in a nuclear blast because of killing off Newt and Hicks at the very start. I knew nothing about the movie before I saw it in the theater (spoilers were a LOT easier to avoid back in the day) and you cannot imagine the nerd rage I felt in the first few minutes of that film. I think that really pissed me off so much that the rest of the movie was totally ruined for me, and my first impression was therefore this was a steaming pile of nerfherder shite. I've slowly raised my opinion of it up a notch or two over the years, but not by much.
Quote from: Banzai_Cat on December 01, 2016, 11:14:59 AM
I can tell Alien 3 to go jump off a cliff and die in a nuclear blast because of killing off Newt and Hicks at the very start.
This. They totally negated Aliens in the first 5 minutes.
I understand the nerd rage ... no one gets nerd rage more than me. But getting over that, even for just a minute, and look at Alien 3 without the red lens of hot nerd anger...and I see a not so bad Alien movie. I have already apologized for this. Alien 4 made me more angry...just for sucking more.
I take this moment and pause to apologize for enjoying Prometheus as well.
Hell, Gus, don't apologize for liking something I don't...more power to you. I just didn't like the film that much (obviously). If you did, great for you.
Prometheus was...okay. I didn't like it. I thought it was on the south side of mediocre, but just barely.
It's an apology to you, Bart, mirth, etc. for not seeing eye to eye with you guys cinematically.
Let him apologize. It's cathartic for him.
So was your mom.
Sorry again.
Not as sorry as mom was.
She's not!
You two stay in touch?
Every now and again when she is not lamenting Star's love.
We all lament Star's love.
Everybody probably has a little Star in the woodpile.
CAN WE GET BACK TO THE RAPE-ANALOGY ALIEN PLEASE! :-"
Quote from: JasonPratt on December 01, 2016, 03:22:20 PM
CAN WE GET BACK TO THE RAPE-ANALOGY ALIEN PLEASE! :-"
Sure
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"Been there, done that, thew up, got the T-shirt. Threw up on the T-shirt."
Quote from: JasonPratt on December 01, 2016, 04:06:01 PM
"Been there, done that, thew up, got the T-shirt. Threw up on the T-shirt."
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Porkins was more likely to blow up the Death Star.
Quote from: Banzai_Cat on December 01, 2016, 11:03:37 AM
I think 3 and 4 are pretty much the same quality, e.g. steaming piles of feces. :)
Though I think we've argued this point, Gus, at least once a year for the last three years. Alien 3 has grown on me - a little. A very little. I remember seeing 4 in the theaters and thought it was much better than 3, at least until that stupid hybrid thing at the end. I mean, come on...Ron Perlman was a big part of my enjoyment of 4. Without him that movie would have been easily the worst of the franchise. IMO anyway.
Perlman helped make 4 enjoyable, despite Wynona's somewhat annoying character. Enjoyed it more than 3. :clap:
Poor Porkins.
Pearlman would've blown-up the Deathstar. On a Harley. And then slapped Vader afterward. He's like :knuppel2: you MoFo.
Kenny Powers is going to bitch-slap some Aliens.
(https://uproxx.files.wordpress.com/2016/02/kenny_danny_alien.jpg?quality=90&w=650)
I guess the 'Original' Alien was the Kenny Powers version of the Aliens. Or was he the Steven Sagal version?
Quote from: mirth on December 02, 2016, 10:07:02 AM
Kenny Powers is going to bitch-slap some Aliens.
I'll watch anything with Danny McBride as one of the characters. :clap:
:DD
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Was Danny McBride in Gangs of New York?
Rewatched Aliens yesterday. Director's cut. Damn near perfect movie. Reminded me why I hate each dogshit movie since.
Quote from: mirth on December 04, 2016, 05:49:28 PM
Rewatched Aliens yesterday. Director's cut. Damn near perfect movie. Reminded me why I hate each dogshit movie since.
That's with all the stuff that was cut out, correct? I don't own that version, but I've seen it - includes the scene with the remote guns engaging the Aliens, I think. The soundtrack to that movie is pretty awesome as well - but of course it was, as James Horner composed it.
Yep. There's something like 17 minutes of restored footage. Shows Newt's family going out to the derelict ship on LV-426 and her dad getting face hugged. Gives the backstory on Ripley's daughter, who died while Ripley was in hypersleep. And adds the scenes with the Marine sentry guns ripping through Aliens as they try to break into the outpost.
It's funny how parts of the Horner score sound very similar to the work he did for Wrath of Khan.
Play Alien: Isolation. It makes a better movie than 3 or 4 do.
And Ripley's daughter is the protagonist!
Quote from: mirth on December 05, 2016, 10:32:57 AM
Gives the backstory on Ripley's daughter, who died while Ripley was in hypersleep.
This really helps build Ripley's relationship with Newt for the rest of the movie, too.
Quote from: DoctorQuest on December 05, 2016, 01:25:36 PM
Quote from: mirth on December 05, 2016, 10:32:57 AM
Gives the backstory on Ripley's daughter, who died while Ripley was in hypersleep.
This really helps build Ripley's relationship with Newt for the rest of the movie, too.
Totally agree. From what I've read, Sigourney Weaver was seriously pissed the scene was cut from the theatrical release.
Quote from: mirth on December 05, 2016, 10:32:57 AM
It's funny how parts of the Horner score sound very similar to the work he did for Wrath of Khan.
Very true! Listen to the Krull soundtrack sometime. Not only is it also excellent, it's also done by Horner - and it sounds very much like his Star Trek II composition.
Quote from: Silent Disapproval Robot on December 05, 2016, 11:09:22 AM
Play Alien: Isolation. It makes a better movie than 3 or 4 do.
Noooooooooooope nope nope nope nope nopenopenope I like sleeping at night.
Quote from: Banzai_Cat on December 05, 2016, 01:57:33 PM
Listen to the Krull soundtrack sometime. Not only is it also excellent, it's also done by Horner - and it sounds very much like his Star Trek II composition.
Damn. He really liked to milk his scores across multiple projects.
I am absolutely going to buy Alien: Isolation during the Steam Holiday sale.
Michael Wadleigh's Wolfen was another (pretty great) movie with a pre-Aliensesque Horner soundtrack. Heck, some of the chime instruments typical of his film scores can be seen, and heard, as props in a New York park during one of the early murders!
An Trek2ish Horner score along with Krull (which might have come after ST2 actually) is Battle of the Planets the great lo-budget Seven Samurai adaptation to sci-fi on Star Wars' coattails, featuring among many great character actors Robert Vaughn as basically his same character (but older) from The Magnificent Seven!
Quote from: Gusington on December 05, 2016, 03:41:53 PM
I am absolutely going to buy Alien: Isolation during the Steam Holiday sale.
You can buy it; and the dev team sure deserve to be rewarded with sales.
But buying it and playing it are two quite different things. :hide:
I am not afraid - I'll play it.
Quote from: JasonPratt on December 05, 2016, 03:45:05 PM
An Trek2ish Horner score along with Krull (which might have come after ST2 actually) is Battle of the Planets the great lo-budget Seven Samurai adaptation to sci-fi on Star Wars' coattails, featuring among many great character actors Robert Vaughn as basically his same character (but older) from The Magnificent Seven!
You're thinking of Battle Beyond the Stars ;)
Quote from: Gusington on December 05, 2016, 03:52:59 PM
I am not afraid - I'll play it.
I'm going to pick it up too, Gus.
Yup, it's Battle Beyond the Stars. Another excellent movie that at the time made lasting impressions on me. The score was excellent.
And f*ck all of you and your Alien: Isolations right in the dookie hole. The last thing I want is nightmares and more stress in my life, game or no. I've barely been able to watch the gameplay vids online. Plus, I'm not much of a fan of stealth games.
The alien was annoying. The god-damned, twitchy, discount bin synthetics were the real menace as far as I was concerned.
The Aliens: Colonial Marines game gave me nightmares. And I paid 2.99 for it. Still felt ripped off.
I've seen Alien: Isolation on sale for ~10.00 and I'm in between games right now...I should just get it and start playing tonight.
Aliens: Colonial Marines was, unfortunately, a joke.
The Aliens vs. Predator PC game was tough for me to get through - the thing gave me serious heebie jeebies. :buck2: That was the 1999 version - I looked it up and didn't know there was a 2010 version.
Do it Gus! They Isolation designers nailed the look and feel of the first movie. Love the late 70s retro sci-fi vibe. I also think the setting is great. Much of the game takes place on a space station operated by a company that competes with Weyland-Yutani. The company comes across as a sort of space K-Mart. They sell cheaply produced junk products and they're going bankrupt. The station itself is in the process of closing up shop so lots of stuff doesn't work right, lots of burnt out lights, lots of disgruntled email exchanges between management and employees, etc. Stuff like that really add to the already great atmosphere. I stopped playing about 2/3rds of the way through as I got myself stuck in an impossible situation and hadn't saved for quite a while and didn't want to repeat a bunch of stuff, but I may just dust the game off and start again from scratch.
Sounds like an AAR to me. :clap:
I know people rave about Isolation...the one reservation people seem to have is that it's too frightening 💀
Backing-off a little now are you? Afraid of that sound in the dark behind you? Me too! :-\
Hold me.
Of course
^that doesn't seem so scary
I laughed so hard at that I almost busted a gut.
Just loaded up Alien: Isolation just to check things out and just the opening screen frightened me. I love the way they worked in the 1980s future look into everything.
This will be awesome...
Don't call me when you can't sleep.
But...I always do... :(
I could never say no to you
HUGS!
This is far more frightening than the game could ever be.
The levels of frightening that A:I does harks well back to the original Alien and its mega-creepiness. Even the 70s-era perception of future technology is well-represented.
But, running and hiding from evil alien beasts is NOT my idea of a fun, relaxing time. More power to you, Gus. Wish you'd screencast/record your playthroughs so we can hear you cry like a little girl when you wet your pants the first time you hear that killing machine banging around in the air ducts, coming fo' yo' behind (and other parts). :)
Is there freeware out there I can use? I'd be happy to record my bowels dropping into my pants.
Quote from: Gusington on December 07, 2016, 09:57:13 AM
Is there freeware out there I can use? I'd be happy to record my bowels dropping into my pants.
I think FRAPS is a free choice, but their free version is limited to 30 seconds and they put a watermark at the top. I think the full version is just under $40.
There's a few out there but I don't know much about them as I've never done screen recordings. But check out a few - http://www.hongkiat.com/blog/win-screen-recording-softwares/
30 seconds of Gus screaming like a little girl should be plenty.
Star generally likes an hour.
He's a man of particular tastes.
Testicular tastes?
If you say so.
You started it.
Prometheus still sucks.
I am watching Alien 3 right now with hawt baus and loving it.
Hell, I'd watch whatever hawt baus wanted to watch.
Quote from: Gusington on December 07, 2016, 04:02:06 PM
I am watching Alien 3 right now with hawt baus and loving it.
Watch out man...that's definitely how it starts... watching movies from the Company Pier.
Gus wants to test his facehugger with his hawt baus.
Quote from: Staggerwing on December 07, 2016, 06:42:25 PM
Quote from: Gusington on December 07, 2016, 04:02:06 PM
I am watching Alien 3 right now with hawt baus and loving it.
Watch out man...that's definitely how it starts... watching movies from the Company Pier.
If she watches Prometheus with him, he's done for.
Company Pier?
Euphamism for your gigglestick.
HAHA haven't heard that one HAHA
Quote from: Gusington on December 07, 2016, 07:28:39 PM
Company Pier?
There's a saying that you shouldn't "fish off of the Company pier", meaning it's best not to diddle your co-workers or there may be repercussions.
More commonly known as, "Don't shit where you eat".
Quote from: mirth on December 07, 2016, 08:27:19 PM
More commonly known as, "Don't shit where you eat".
That one too, in a Tony Soprano sort of way.
Quote from: Staggerwing on December 07, 2016, 08:28:20 PM
Quote from: mirth on December 07, 2016, 08:27:19 PM
More commonly known as, "Don't shit where you eat".
That one too, in a Tony Soprano sort of way.
Heh. Yours is much more polite.
Quote from: Staggerwing on December 07, 2016, 08:25:52 PM
Quote from: Gusington on December 07, 2016, 07:28:39 PM
Company Pier?
There's a saying that you shouldn't "fish off of the Company pier", meaning it's best not to diddle your co-workers or there may be repercussions.
Gus is thinking of humping his way to the top.
Back before I was married I dated my best friend's boss. It was hilarious until it wasn't.
Quote from: Gusington on December 07, 2016, 09:08:04 PM
Back before I was married I dated my best friend's boss. It was hilarious until it wasn't.
Did she make you fire your friend?
She tortured him every day by calling me not by my name but 'my boyfriend' and discussing the things we'd be doing that evening or over the weekend and then telling him how I couldn't hang out or go to the bar because I would be with her. I laughed it off for about 3 weeks. Installing an in-window air conditioner caused me to break up with her. To date my [now] The Wife.
"Installing an in-room air conditioner?"
Did she turn frigid on you or something?
Things got a little frosty.
I guess she wasn't a fan, then.
She blew hot and cold.
She kept telling me I was doing it wrong. Still talking about the a/c here.
So I just left the apartment thinking 'there's this other chick out there with much larger breasts who's really into me, doesn't have a hair lip, is much prettier and smells a lot better. Fuck this.'
Next year we will be together for 20 years total. I made the correct decision.
So whatever happened to frosty hair lip?
Sounds like the heat was on with the Wife.
So the wife put the deep freeze on frosty hair lip?
Sounds like she made Gus give her the cold shoulder.
And Gus is usually so warm.
Of course. Being closer to the Earth means more warmth and less wind resistance/convection. It's simple physics.
Did this thread have a topic?
When does that ever matter in any thread around here?
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It doesn't. I was mainly curious. I think I started this thread.
Yes, you did.
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Thanks.
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We can try to get it back on topic with the web-head's help.
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Worth a shot.
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Excellent. We should be back on topic in no time.
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Who was thinking of buying and AARing this again??
If you have an NVIDIA card... um.... whoever, you can use their Shadowplay function for free. I do all my AAR work with it now.
...the rape-analogy game I mean. Not... whatever the Spider-meme is doing. (Doing whatever a Spider-meme can.)
I've been toying with doing an AAR from the perspective of an Imperial citizen being railroaded into using her family connections to find out whether a Tyrannid infection has started on the base. But (1) I'm not sure this game would translate well to a print AAR; and (2) this would require me to play the game I bought, and I've already chickened out of continuing it no less than three times, including two months ago.
Quote from: JasonPratt on December 08, 2016, 03:52:00 PM
If you have an NVIDIA card... um.... whoever, you can use their Shadowplay function for free. I do all my AAR work with it now.
Shadowplay was buggy as hell the last time I tried using it.
GeForce Experience even more so. I uninstalled that PoS program, it was so bad. Maybe Nvidia will eventually get their shit together. Eventually.
Way to put this thread back on topic, guys...
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BC and mirth wanted me to record my play through as I soiled my drawers.
I think simply that mirth and I are the voices of reason, echoing the sentiments of the hundreds of lurkers on these very forums.
Hahahaa..."voice of reason"
Lurkers AND Drawers-Soiler Followers as well. You all KNOW who you are.
You are frightening me more this evening than usual.
And it's still early.....
Ok I feel better now.
Have you been playing Isolation?
He probably just had some Thai.
Prostitutes?
It can be interpreted that way, sure.
I haven't been playing anything for the last few days.
Quote from: Banzai_Cat on December 09, 2016, 10:05:50 AM
It can be interpreted that way, sure.
It's pretty much the only way I can interpret it.
Quote from: Gusington on December 09, 2016, 10:07:26 AM
I haven't been playing anything for the last few days.
Too busy walking the dog and making sandwiches for the wife?
Wearing a frilly apron?
That's how I imagine it.
I'm not willing to paint a more detailed picture.
No worries. I have a vivid imagination. You're there too.
EDITED FOR MIRTH'S TENDER SENSIBILITIES.
I am a delicate flower.
But wise.
And humble.
A trailer, finally.
And a red band one too!
^meh
Another group of 'tasty-looking' space travelers for consumption. I think if they ever learn to wear masks, the aliens are screwed. :uglystupid2:
I'm at the point of rooting for the Aliens in these movies. The humans are too stupid to live.
Quote from: mirth on January 10, 2017, 11:38:45 AM
I'm at the point of rooting for the Aliens in these movies. The humans are too stupid to live.
QFT!
Then you should watch it to see the humans slaughtered. Seems reasonable.
Do you wonder if the aliens go to their movies to watch us? If they do, I hope their seats are more comfortable.
Just like here on Earth.
I agree with mirth, the trailer was pretty meh. But the tech and equipment and aliens looked cool, I think HR Giger would approve. And I approve of the killing while banging in the shower.
I shall root for the aliens.
The real bummer about Prometheus and Covenant is that Neil Blomkamp was all set to do Alien 5 with Sigourney Weaver and that was shelved when Ridley Scott jumped back into the series.
http://io9.gizmodo.com/james-cameron-thinks-neill-blomkamps-aliens-sequel-scri-1784210612 (http://io9.gizmodo.com/james-cameron-thinks-neill-blomkamps-aliens-sequel-scri-1784210612)
http://collider.com/alien-5-update-sigourney-weaver-neill-blomkamp/
That IS a bummer.
But I don't get the meh-ness. I mean, it's not nearly as cool as a Weaver-Biehn Aliens 5, but it's not too bad.
Quote from: Banzai_Cat on January 12, 2017, 09:05:32 PM
But I don't get the meh-ness. I mean, it's not nearly as cool as a Weaver-Biehn Aliens 5, but it's not too bad.
The Convenant trailer just seems like more of the same from Prometheus. Stupid people falling victim to their stupidity.
I'm not much of a fan of Prometheus. I don't get how they couldn't stick with cannon...fucking studios. It looks like they're going back to the original movie more so with no black lava lamp sludge, thank goodness. Still I'll probably wait to see what the Rotten Tomatoes score is before I actually go see it at the theater. Otherwise it might just be a streaming site view eventually.
It's doesn't look nearly as good as...Alien 3.
Quote from: Gusington on January 12, 2017, 09:45:58 PM
It's doesn't look nearly as good as...Alien 3.
Don't start.
Quote from: Gusington on January 12, 2017, 09:45:58 PM
It's doesn't look nearly as good as...Alien 3.
I left something in my toilet today that was better than Alien 3.....and way scarier.
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Sorry. You want the Loading Dock for deliveries-in-the-rear, not the roof. <:-)
HAHAHAHA!!!
Back on topic (briefly) (sort-of): here's a video of Alex Jones going full retard in his review of the Alien: Covenant trailer, where (I kid you not) he tries to argue that the Alien series (including Prometheus and this movie) is part of a conspiracy by the transhumanist cabal ruling the world to make people more comfortable with the idea of being genetically manipulated against their will.
The
Alien series. Making people more
comfortable with this.
:uglystupid2: :crazy2: #:-)
We now return you to your regularly scheduled Spidermemes.
^I'm going pass on that. The mainstream media is plenty loopy enough these days.
The Info Wars guy there is the subject of MANY an entertaining meme, though.
Quote from: Banzai_Cat on January 13, 2017, 12:25:29 PM
The Info Wars guy there is the subject of MANY an entertaining meme, though.
Almost as good as Spiderman memes!
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Quote from: mirth on January 13, 2017, 12:28:42 PM
Quote from: Banzai_Cat on January 13, 2017, 12:25:29 PM
The Info Wars guy there is the subject of MANY an entertaining meme, though.
Almost as good as Spiderman memes!
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WHOA there, Sally
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I think the above thing is a new low here.
Quote from: Gusington on January 13, 2017, 02:39:57 PM
I think the above thing is a new low here.
And God knows, we've hit some lows in the past.
I have every confidence that this new low will be further lowered and surpassed by sundown.
Quote from: Gusington on January 13, 2017, 02:44:41 PM
I have every confidence that this new low will be further lowered and surpassed by sundown.
Challenge accepted.
I thought that stuff was the 'secret sauce' on the Big Mac? That's why I eat at Wendy's. All you have to worry about there is red hairs in your Double Stack.
Wendy is a natural redhead?
Google image search for "Dolan Duck" and/or "Spoderman."
Sometimes they're both in the same comic.
Needless to say, neither of those are good if kids are around. Or people with, you know, sensibilities and/or non-sick senses of humor.
The new lows hit themselves thanks to the Internet.
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There's far, far worse and frankly I'm a little hesitant to post some of those images here, or even links to them. If you're a sick bastard, you can find them yourself. :)
^^LOL. That's glorious and cruel.
Almost 1am and we are at a new low with the above. A little late but here we are.
I don't get it
Uncle Ben?
Peter parkers uncle ben
Shot in the face by the robber thus creating Spider-Man himself?
I'm a little worried about BC.
Quote from: undercovergeek on January 14, 2017, 04:42:12 AM
Uncle Ben?
Peter parkers uncle ben
Shot in the face by the robber thus creating Spider-Man himself?
ok - I suppose. I thought Spiderman came into being by being bitten by a Spider and I had forgotten a family member was killed, let alone his name.
And why the really bad spelling? Is that meant to inject humour into it? Because it actually fails epically :cowboy:
There's a lot of :crazy2: shite on the internet :hide:
Quote from: JudgeDredd on January 14, 2017, 06:22:46 AM
ok - I suppose. I thought Spiderman came into being by being bitten by a Spider and I had forgotten a family member was killed, let alone his name.
Peter Parker used his powers for quick cash...not crime, but wrestling (IIRC, but that might be the movies talking and not the comics, I don't remember). He was kind of an asshole, a total 'what's in it for me' kind of guy. The story varies but one day/night he lets a robber get away when he easily could have stopped him, as sort of a "fack you" to the authorities that were right there. Later, the robber shoots and kills his Uncle Ben. That made him regretful for the rest of his life, and he decided to become a hero instead of a self-absorbed jerk.
Quote from: JudgeDredd on January 14, 2017, 06:22:46 AM
And why the really bad spelling? Is that meant to inject humour into it? Because it actually fails epically :cowboy:
That's an Internet thing. Mostly aimed at finding humor in people that don't understand how to type or form complete sentences, of which there are many of course.
Quote from: JudgeDredd on January 14, 2017, 06:22:46 AM
There's a lot of :crazy2: shite on the internet :hide:
If there wasn't, I'd be thoroughly less amused with life.
Quote from: mirth on January 14, 2017, 05:34:48 AM
I'm a little worried about BC.
You're saying that about me? The guy pantsless at 4am on Saturday morning looking for a ride? :D
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Quote from: mirth on January 14, 2017, 05:34:48 AM
I'm a little worried about BC.
You're saying that about me? The guy pantsless at 4am on Saturday morning looking for a ride? :D
I'm not a role model.
Quote from: Banzai_Cat on January 14, 2017, 06:56:01 AM
...The guy pantsless at 4am on Saturday morning looking for a ride? :D
You sounded like you were writing that in a "that's not normal" kind of virtual voice :crazy2:
That's a good point.
Of course you're a role model, mirth.
Mirth's the one who made me unashamed to talk about my dongle in public. A role model indeed.
I learned all this shit by watching mirth!!!
Quote from: Banzai_Cat on January 14, 2017, 06:56:01 AM
Quote from: mirth on January 14, 2017, 05:34:48 AM
I'm a little worried about BC.
You're saying that about me? The guy pantsless at 4am on Saturday morning looking for a ride? :D
It always comes back around to Moustache Rides at some point, doesn't it?
Good Lord, CAN WE PLEASE GET BACK TO THE RAPEY ALIEN TOPIy'know what, on second thought, never mind. :buck2:
Re: the wrestling career of Spiderman. Yep, that's original comics canon, not only the Raimi films. The Webb duology has a nod to it, when Peter gets the idea for his vigilante mask from a luchador poster in an abandoned arena.
Strictly speaking, Parker made a whole career (for a few weeks) out of doing stunts as Spiderman on television and in front of a live audience, which included wrestling against champions although that wasn't the only thing he did. (Insert memes from the infamous Spider-Musical a few years ago. :coolsmiley: ) In the first Raimi film, he's just doing it for one night to get money to buy a car to impress MJ (who grew up next door to him in the trilogy.) His agent gets robbed one night in the comics -- I don't recall that he actually stiffs Spidey, unlike the wrestling promoter in the movie. Spiderman could stop the thief who escapes in the elevator; but he lets the thief go by since it isn't his problem. Uncle Ben is shot by the same guy a few minutes later, but in the comics Spiderman doesn't realize this until he catches the murderer in an abandoned warehouse. I can't recall if the thief dies accidentally from being thrown/punched out a window in the comics. (In the Raimi trilogy, it later turns out the thief didn't shoot Uncle Ben at all; so Spidey accidentally killed the wrong man. This factors heavily into the plot of the 3rd film, which I suppose everyone has seen whether you liked it or not. ;) But I won't spoil it further just in case.)
In the Webb duology, Peter hunts the killer for the first half of the first film, and then this plotline is dropped and never resolved. The second "Amazing Spider-Man" game, which involves some largely-clunky tie-ins to include the 2nd movie's plot, resolves this plotline along the way. Whether or how the Webb writers/producers meant to resolve this in their film series, I don't know.
I hope that wasn't the exciting part. :-[
Quote from: Sir Slash on February 23, 2017, 10:11:50 PM
I hope that wasn't the exciting part. :-[
Well... It does say, "Prologue". ;D
I'm beginning to root for the Aliens in this series.
It's impossible for me to not think of Kenny Powers when I see Danny McBride.
Quote from: Sir Slash on February 24, 2017, 10:37:13 AM
I'm beginning to root for the Aliens in this series.
+1
I also didn't realize James Franco was in it. His part is described as a 'small role' which I imagine translates into 'one of the first to die'.
Why would they even release that.....the only thing I saw that I liked was the spaceship. Hell, an alien bursting out of someone's chest would be the only lively moment that party had.
You mean it didn't make you want to see the movie?
Was that a couple of gay guys taking up space on a colony mission transport?
I mean, okay, if that's their thing, fine...but isn't the point of a colony to establish it and...you know...have kids?
I guess it's moot since most of them are going to die, but still, that doesn't make a whole hell of a lot of sense. ???
It's the future. Everybody's having sex but nobody's having kids. If they did have about a dozen of my grandkids, they would eat the aliens first.
Quote from: Banzai_Cat on February 24, 2017, 11:29:52 AM
Was that a couple of gay guys taking up space on a colony mission transport?
I mean, okay, if that's their thing, fine...but isn't the point of a colony to establish it and...you know...have kids?
I guess it's moot since most of them are going to die, but still, that doesn't make a whole hell of a lot of sense. ???
Weyland-Yutani isn't known for having the sense God gave a goat. ;)
However, if someone in the script suddenly has a "THIS MEANS W-Y NEVER MEANT FOR US TO COME BACK ALIVE HOW COULD WE HAVE BEEN SO BLIND" moment... well, hanging that lampshade won't excuse the characters being that silly in-plot, but I'd give them props for trying.
(Also, I could be misunderstanding the colony purpose, to be fair.)
What's worse, I just realized they call explicit attention to the gay couple WHILE ALSO JOKING ABOUT THE COLONIZATION = SEX! "Colonize all over this table right here."
...I think maybe we should conclude the group of scientists in the Alien movies don't really understand science very well. >:D
Going back over it (shortly after wincing through the winky joke about the chestburster), I just realized the second time they mention colonization specifically, the camera cuts to the gay couple again. Not during any other moment of that speech (when cutting to each of the other couples). Specifically on the mention of "colonization".
That's some subtle social positioning right there.
Honestly I didn't even notice any of The Ghey. I guess I have to watch it again with my The Ghey glasses. And then watch Alien 3.
I think they may actually be onto something here. Has anyone ever tried getting the Aliens drunk? Maybe after a few Old Grandads they'd be OK and you know, dance on a table or sing bad alien Freebird. Get them laid and we could be best friends. I mean ANYTHING's got to be better than hitting that Alien Queen. She looks permanently PMS to me. :hide:
Tried that in Alien 4. It... was not well received by the fans. :hide:
Quote from: Gusington on February 24, 2017, 07:02:38 PM
Honestly I didn't even notice any of The Ghey. I guess I have to watch it again with my The Ghey glasses. And then watch Alien 3.
I dunno, bro. Alien3 is pretty ghey.
^That's 'The Ghey.'
And Alien 3 is not nearly The Ghey as you knobs make it out to be. It gets a bad rap!
Quote from: Gusington on February 25, 2017, 06:51:35 PM
^That's 'The Ghey.'
And Alien 3 is not nearly The Ghey as you knobs make it out to be. It gets a bad rap!
Alien 3 is not The Ghey. It's just The Awful.
Quote from: Gusington on February 25, 2017, 06:51:35 PM
^That's 'The Ghey.'
And Alien 3 is not nearly The Ghey as you knobs make it out to be. It gets a bad rap!
Alien 3 is to Gus like Aquaman is to Longblade....we can all see the Ghey except them 8)
He's making 'The Ghey' sound like some kind of "tao of _____" or ancient philosophy, or some kind of surfer bro code (like from Point Break - the first one).
Isn't it?
...which part?
It makes sense in Alien 3.
It does not make sense in Alien Pre-2.
But, I do not wish to focus any further on the relatively minor problem of detonating a plausibility bomb in the plot to promote an insane overreach to a social justice problem. It's silly, but mainly it served as an amusing distraction to the real problem:
the UTTERLY MORONIC WINKY-CUTE NOD TO THE CHESTBURSTER SEQUENCE!! That worries me waaaaayyyy more.
"Huh. This establishment scene is running way too long without any real characterization or even plot exposition really (since presumably everyone here knows the plot already)."
"Let's introduce some interest to the scene by pretending to start the chest-burster sequence out of nowhere, and then while the audience is confused about the lack of context we'll defuse it as a cheap gag."
"BRILLIANT! -- that's so great we'll release it as a promotional prologue for the quality of the film!"
"Let's give it a completely meaningless tie-in to Christian religious language in its title, too!"
"OMG THAT'S SO TRANSGRESSIVELY EDGY AND CREATIVE! DO YOU WANT MORE COCAINE IN YOUR HEROIN OR MORE HEROIN IN YOUR COCAINE?!"
"BOTH!!"
Insert vomit-smilies here.
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trippy
What's the frequency, Kenneth?
I just got finished watching the first hour of Aliens (in honor of Hudson's (Bill Paxton's) unexpected passing). The fake chestburster scene early in the film is vastly better for so many reasons.
Still rooting for the Aliens
That made up a few points in my book.
Is it just me or did Michael Fassbender look just like a younger and creepier Michael Palin in the beginning of that trailer?
Right at the end of that trailer a stinkbug popped out from behind my monitor at me...I need new pajamas.
This better not be just another 'Bug Hunt'!
Quote from: Gusington on March 01, 2017, 09:55:18 PM
Right at the end of that trailer a stinkbug popped out from behind my monitor at me...I need new pajamas.
:DD :DD :DD :DD :DD
Quote from: Banzai_Cat on March 01, 2017, 09:23:54 PM
That made up a few points in my book.
Agreed.
(Noted with trivial amusement that the ultra-silly plot point was edited-around. ::))
He should look more like Bill Murray.
We all should.
Couple new pics in an Empire article
http://www.empireonline.com/movies/news/three-exclusive-new-alien-covenant-images-revealed/
^Crew messages are a very cool idea.
Kenny Powers in Spaaaaaaace!!!
Quote from: mirth on April 20, 2017, 08:06:18 PM
Kenny Powers in Spaaaaaaace!!!
Need a series.
O0
Thus far he's the only character I've seen in the trailers that I actually like. I suppose 'David' still passes as interesting.
The rest? To the meat grinder! Don't care. <:-)
Starbound and Down
Ha, I just started watching that on Prime. Pretty damned funny. Is he supposed to be a caricature of John Rocker, perhaps?
"Mother will this be better than Alien 3?"
Quote from: Gusington on May 05, 2017, 02:22:12 PM
"Mother will this be better than Alien 3?"
Yes, my son.
"Mother where is Goatfury?"
'Mother what happened to LB?'
Aquaman dragged him down.
'Mother why is Aquaman a superhero?'
Read the Peter David run and ask again later.
"Mother, will there be Predators?"
You're not mother. Are you going to eat my face?
'Mother why is monogamy an accepted practice?'
Because a woman can be meaner than a Xenomorph.
'Mother when will my power come back on?'
Five minutes after you leave for Chicago.
'Mother you ignorant slut - it just came back on.'
Early review. MASSIVE SPOILERS.
[spoiler]http://io9.gizmodo.com/alien-covenant-may-be-the-biggest-disappointment-of-th-1794898330[/spoiler]
man that sucks. I was soooo looking forward to this. Now it's just a free netflix watch.
wait a minute: it's at 88% at rotten tomatoes so maybe it's not so bad?
http://ew.com/movies/2017/05/06/alien-covenant-ew-review/
This review is about what I expected
http://www.denofgeek.com/uk/movies/alien/49203/alien-covenant-review
Still on the fence about seeing it in a theater
At least there were, in fact, more colonists than just the crew. So I can stop complaining about how needlessly dumb that was. ;) O0
What's ridiculous is that people would keep signing up to work on Weyland-Yutani spaceships/colonies. W-Y must offer some serious hazard pay.
They have Farmers Insurance or something.
Jahns really liked it. "Good time, no alcohol required."
Yeah, I'd fly United before I'd fly Weyland. :2funny:
Reviews seem mostly positive, and Fox didn't opt for a review embargo.
Strangely, if you go by RT, Top Critics are a lot more positive than general reviewers. It's usually the opposite.
Many of the negative reviews are saying it's too much like the first two movies. I guess that's ok with me. We'll see.
I'm going on next Tuesday in my Weyland-Yutani hat and Weyland Corp shirt. I will judge it fairly. I hope it's a good ride.
Quote from: Sir Slash on May 08, 2017, 10:26:24 PM
Yeah, I'd fly United before I'd fly Weyland. :2funny:
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Quote from: Sir Slash on May 08, 2017, 10:26:24 PM
Yeah, I'd fly United before I'd fly Weyland. :2funny:
According to this issue of The Weyland-Yutani Inflight Magazine I found in front of my seat (April 2104 issue), in 2067 United and Delta merged to form W-T. Makes sense!
I am still going to see this in the theater.
I'm going to read the Wikipedia page.
Done.
And?
Never trust an android.
Considering you were "Mother" earlier in the thread (and never answered my question :'( ), this is one of those logic puzzles, isn't it?
Well I've just been to see this and.............................................
................................as a person who liked Prometheus, this was a worthy follow on. I really liked it. The xenomorph looked proper evil - 100% happy about that as after Aliens it had a comical look to it (I'm talking Alien 3 and Resurrection).
I don't want to say anything else for fear of getting close to any spoiler territory.
Big O0 O0 O0 O0 from me.
^NICE.
So it's on par with Prometheus?
Pass.
Quote from: mirth on May 13, 2017, 04:13:25 PM
So it's on par with Prometheus?
Pass.
Well - some people just can't be taught taste :buck2:
Quote from: JudgeDredd on May 13, 2017, 04:21:42 PM
Quote from: mirth on May 13, 2017, 04:13:25 PM
So it's on par with Prometheus?
Pass.
Well - some people just can't be taught taste :buck2:
Hey now. I admire your model making skills :P
I am looking forward to this. Watching Alien tonight in it's honor and just played through another 75 minutes of Alien: Isolation.
AV Club review
http://www.avclub.com/review/covenant-returns-alien-its-horror-roots-255201
Having read and heard a bunch of reviews now, both positive and negative, my impression is that this would be a great movie and a great transition between the Prometheus and Alien stories, if only (like Prometheus) it didn't require repeated aggressive idiocy by the characters to advance the plot. (Plus at least one galactically massive plot coincidence at the start.)
Quote from: JasonPratt on May 16, 2017, 11:23:27 AM
Having read and heard a bunch of reviews now, both positive and negative, my impression is that this would be a great movie and a great transition between the Prometheus and Alien stories, if only (like Prometheus) it didn't require repeated aggressive idiocy by the characters to advance the plot. (Plus at least one galactically massive plot coincidence at the start.)
That's pretty much the sense I have too. I'll watch it at some point, but I'm not going to bother with a theater viewing.
A theater viewing, paradoxically, might be the best way to watch it, since then the artistic spectacle of everything will look more evident. O0
On the small screen, the plot will plot you.
Considering how epically disappointed I was with my theater viewing of Prometheus, I'm going to sit this one out. I don't need to see a bunch of space explorers being profoundly stupid again.
I do.
Quote from: mirth on May 16, 2017, 11:42:03 AM
Considering how epically disappointed I was with my theater viewing of Prometheus...
#:-)
Let him wallow.
At least it will be better than Alien 3.
Everything is better the Aliens 3. :P
Even Star Trek V :D
Here I rely on my go to insult that I feel guilty about using every time.
Quote from: Barthheart on May 16, 2017, 01:20:34 PM
Everything is better the Aliens 3. :P
I see your challenge and present to you,
Aliens vs Predator Requiem (or whatever it was called, AvP2).
I barely consider those movies part of the Alien universe and I try not to think of them at all.
Alien 3 for President.
Better than most!
...and the circle closes.
What I like about the AvP movies is that according to them, the Aliens have already been to Earth many, many times before the crew in the first Aliens movie even discovers them. That makes the whole Aliens series kind of a big, cosmic joke on all the future-people that's trying to catch them. Not as funny as Rodney Dangerfield but it makes me laugh. :2funny:
Quote from: Sir Slash on May 17, 2017, 10:27:08 AM
Not as funny as Rodney Dangerfield but it makes me laugh. :2funny:
Alien: Back to School
I get no respect on this site.
Dear mirth -
http://io9.gizmodo.com/in-defense-of-alien-3-which-actually-doesnt-suck-1783547956
Dear Gus - Go watch Alien or Aliens and get a clue about what a good movie looks like ;)
^I love both Alien + Aliens, BRAH. I just don't think Alien 3 sucks.
Game over man. Game over.
He's the MetalDog of Aliens.
A surprisingly favorable review from A.O. Scott
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/17/movies/alien-covenant-review-ridley-scott.html
Also not sucking as much as its reputation: Alien Resurrection.
Better than 3, but still not that good.
Dan Hedaya as a general in charge of a secret Alien research facility was quite amusing though.
Heck, while I'm at it:
Jim Sterling, "Alien 3 is the
best movie in the Alien franchise. ...nononononono, hear me out...."
People will say anything to get Youtube views.
Yeah the above is a little ridiculous. Better than Alien/Aliens?? Come on.
I don't believe one of his key premises, which is that the characters in Alien 1 aren't well realized. But his argument has some merit otherwise -- from a certain point of view, so to speak.
For more Sterling Alien Action (this time involving Isolation):
Jim meets the Alien for the first time.
Going back to replay after beating the game.
Sterling vs Yahtzee vs Alien Survivor mode (whoever escapes first or lasts the longest wins):
We don't want the Aliens to be well-developed-- we want them to kill things. I don't really care who they vote for or what's their favorite football team. I don't love them because they're 'sensitive'. I love them because they kill people who are 'sensitive'.
Quote from: Sir Slash on May 18, 2017, 09:19:10 AM
We don't want the Aliens to be well-developed-- we want them to kill things. I don't really care who they vote for or what's their favorite football team. I don't love them because they're 'sensitive'. I love them because they kill people who are 'sensitive'.
Almost literally Sterling's argument for Alien 3 being the best: the Alien doesn't care how well-developed and nuanced your character is, it strikes without warning and takes you out. (Which leads back to his main argument failure, since this was also true about Alien 1.)
I've never thought the characters in any Alien movie were all that well developed. Sure, they gave Ripley some development and a little backstory in Aliens, but that's about it.
These aren't films that need rich characters. Basically they need characters who can die in interesting, blood-soaked ways.
http://io9.gizmodo.com/alien-only-ever-needed-one-sequel-1795276313
^Read that yesterday and agree.
Quote from: Sir Slash on May 18, 2017, 09:19:10 AM
We don't want the Aliens to be well-developed-- we want them to kill things. I don't really care who they vote for or what's their favorite football team. I don't love them because they're 'sensitive'. I love them because they kill people who are 'sensitive'.
lol :notworthy:
Opening day here in 'Murica. I should drive to Maine to pick up mirth for a date night.
Quote from: Gusington on May 19, 2017, 08:28:14 AM
Opening day here in 'Murica. I should drive to Maine to pick up mirth for a date night.
You'd better put out.
Funny I was going to tell you the same thing, slut.
Quote from: Gusington on May 19, 2017, 09:03:11 AM
Funny I was going to tell you the same thing, slut.
Buy me a large popcorn and I'm yours.
better check to make sure that's butter on it. :coolsmiley:
back from the movie, just saw it together with two old buddies :)
I liked it, i felt entertained. O0
its better then Prometheus and closer to the well known and expected Alien formula.
It does not reach the excels of Aliens and Alien so.
best enjoy it as when you go to see a new James Bond movie you get James Bond franchise with the typical things and elements what makes a James Bond movie a good James Bond movie... and same here with the Alien franchise.
the quality comes with chosen director Ridley Scott and the funds they gave him to do the project and its art design in a satisfactory way.
The female protagonist is tough (or gets and has to over time) but does not have that brittle charm of Ripley or the hard boiled coolness of Vasquez
(she has the charm of a vegan bitch loosing it and start fighting with another vegan bitch over the last broccoli when in NYC a deli close, its hard to describe...)
I don't want give away any spoilers so i cant write more detailed about the story, the twists, and such
I feel not sorry for the 16.8 Euro i had spend including the popcorn bowl :)
It's not butter, it never is.
That's great to hear Mike. I'm looking forward to seeing it tomorrow with the wife. It's been a long time since a movie really scared the shit out of me, maybe this one will finally hit that mark.
Sir Slash , you will have a nice eve and will be entertained ,
don't expect to be all to scared or leaving the theater in traumatic terror. its more leaning to SiFi in the Alien universe then sheer horror and claustrophobia and we all know the franchise to good by now ... if we see an egg open we will not be surprised to get a facehugger, aren't we
also i personally felt not much connected to the (human) characters , imagine a Star Trek landing party wich has only redshirts and no Kirk Spock McCoy , and few redshirts develop into makeshift Kirks Spock McCoy because they have to by surviving.
The movie has some stimuli for deeper thoughts too and the psychological horror that sneaks from the movie into the real life for me is thinking about our near (dystopian) future with Android/Replicants coworkers n'such :o
Go Figure, the original Bladerunner dystopia with replicants for example plays in the year 2019 :o
we are getting closer not to Bladerunner or Alien or Skynet
...we get our very own different dystopia world version which has elements of several different SiFi / cyberpunk visionaries from the 80ties in its mix
I want to see this now based on your comments. Thanks, Mike :bd:
Quote from: MikeGER on May 20, 2017, 02:18:17 AM
...
don't expect to be all to scared or leaving the theater in traumatic terror...then sheer horror and claustrophobia...
I was scared shitless. But then I
am a fanny >:D
It was very creepy - imo much more akin to Alien than Aliens. I was freaked out (and very entertained) by it.
Ranking every alien movie.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/every-alien-movie-ranked-from-worst-to-best/ss-BBBdoHo?fullscreen=true&li=BBnb2gh#image=1
The only change I would make is swapping 3 and 4
Not that anyone really needs a new review, but I was surprised that RedLetterMedia was willing to give the movie a thoughtful critique rather than just trashing it for kicks.
We may not have to worry about any more Alien movies for a while if Covenant doesn't turn things around at the box office.
It's got 72% at RT and made $36+ over the last weekend.
$97 mil in production costs and it's made $117 mil worldwide so far. It released a week earlier in most markets before the US release. I don't know what the marketing budget was, but it's not shaping up to be a big moneymaker.
Add another $22 mil in just TV ads
http://www.screengeek.net/2017/05/17/fox-spending-tons-money-marketing-alien-covenant/
So right now, it's still a money loser.
If you go see it in a theater they'll be further in the black! DO IT
Not gonna happen
There are a lot of positive reviews.
I suggest a series of spin-off films called, "Soft-spoken, Passive-Aggressive, Betraying Killer Androids That Have a Crush on Aliens". Weyland-nators vs Predators! That make some mullah. :bd:
Quote from: Gusington on May 23, 2017, 10:20:37 AM
There are a lot of positive reviews.
I know. I don't think it's a bad movie and I am positive it is better than Prometheus. I just don't see how it's going to make much of a profit. There's major competition coming over the next couple weeks - the latest PotC movie and Wonder Woman.
I liked the movie. Thought the third act was a little odd, but I did like the intensity of the opening. I have some nitpicks with it, but I didn't come out feeling as let down as I did after Prometheus.
There's a lot in this for the enthusiast of the Alien franchise in general. Scott resurrected a lot of things he wanted to do in the original Alien, but couldn't, and he brought in some of the more interesting ideas from Gibson's and Ward's abandoned Alien 3 scripts. I thought the Xeno was overall pretty intimidating and very well inspired by Alien Isolation.
Money wise it looks like the film made right about what Fox had forecast for the weekend so hopefully Scott will be able to start shooting the final film in 14 months like he'd planned.
Only really super negative was my viewing experience. Four teen girls about three rows behind us were cutting up loudly and talking on cellphones. After management failed to do anything about it since they shut up every time an employee ducked in, we had to walk out and bump over to a later showing. Never had to do that before.
I would have killed those girls. It's people like that which make me hate people. Amongst other reasons.
True. Makes you want to follow them to Old Navy and play Polka music in their ears.
Quote from: Gusington on May 24, 2017, 08:18:37 AM
I would have killed those girls. It's people like that which make me hate people. Amongst other reasons.
I almost did. I have a pretty long fuse on my temper, but when it blows it burns hotter than 10,000 suns. So by the five minute mark I was literally seething to keep myself from standing up and yelling at the top of my lungs for them to shut the hell up. Only reason I didn't was because then I'd be the guy in the wrong and get thrown out, and I really wanted to see the film.
So, I kept quiet and just bumped to another showing that fortunately was populated with nerds and old farts like myself.
I'm pretty sure the teens in the first showing weren't even old enough to be in there, hence my wife's theory that they were just floating between theaters on a slow day.
Love me some nerds and old farts.
Exactly once have I turned around in a theater to scream at someone. It was a teenaged kid who had kicked my chair probably 100 times in about an hour until I finally could not take it anymore and I turned around and screamed 'CAN YOU STOP KICKING MY FUCKING SEAT'.
The kid looked genuinely scared and did not touch the seat again. Good thing I didn't stand because the jig would have been up for me then.
I vote for theaters just for 'mature adults only'. Extra large screen, volume controls on the arm rests, massaging seat-backs, and tennis balls to throw at the nerdy, little theater attendants when they come in to bother us. :clap: Oh, and bran in the popcorn for..... you know.
And free Depends with the purchase of each large soda.
You mean 'for the purchase of each large apple cider vinegar.'
I may be getting old, but I still retain control of my bladder.
Windy and Star say otherwise.
Is it any wonder I don't see movies in theaters any more?*
*There are some exceptions.
Quote from: Gusington on May 25, 2017, 07:50:29 PM
Windy and Star say otherwise.
They also say they aren't Ghey. Do you believe that?
Never.
Saw this today in beverly Hills...yes moved .....and that's Beverly Hills, Fla. Took my 86 year old mom because...it's just the type of movie she'd enjoy!
How do you review this movie without spoilers? it's mighty hard because 90 percent of everything wrong with the movie requires spoilers---as it's mainly do to the canon --- or lack of---that the movie disapoints.
There are some posatives..for one this is the first and ONLY alien film that doesn't have an "Evil Corporation" subplot....that is more dangerous to the characters than the aliens themselves. Yeah---David is there....but he isn't getting his orders from an 'Evil corporation' like all the other films. He's just broke and screwed up.
Most 'alien kills crew' actually takes place off the spaceship and not on it.
As in most alien movies 'The Right Stuff' IE: what NASA would send into space-- is, as always-as dumb as a bag of hammers doing real dumb stuff to get themselves killed. It's like every typical horror flick where you KNOW the girl that's running WILL trip! She will go look in the basement! She will open the closet! except of course here it's THE RIGHT STUFF space faring well educated moron getting him or herself killed.
There's some pretty good action scenes but my main grip is the one sentence repeatedly repeating in my head throughout the film...."you have got to be kidding!"
As I said the rest requires spoilers so I'll list them in the spoiler below:
[spoiler]Number 1-- I'm all fine with the concept the Engineers create us...then create the alien to end their failed experiment.Thus the ship crashed on LV-426 was in fact the Engineers bring those eggs to Earth to do just that but crashes before it reaches Earth. But this film takes the canon to where An Android creates the alien after wiping out the engineers. Canon wise this makes no sense--- The ship on LV-426 was CLEARLY piloted by an Engineer carrying the eggs that get John Hurt and then chase Ripley for an hour and a half. This film is supposed to be before that--so how in hell is the first film possible at all if David wipes out the Engineers? I suppose one COULD argue The engineers are a space faring race and thus would not all be located in that single city. If you argue this of course then you outline the entire plot of the third film next to follow.Engineers see what David did...believe David = humanity and now Engineers must destroy humanity on Earth for what they did in said City. Since I did read the book Alien long before seeing the movie the canon in the book is very detailed....and this totally betrays the canon as does Alien Isolation and the movies that follow Aliens. Any true tie in game wise would have you playing Noot prior to aliens. There's no way canon has them chasing Ripley's daughter. This is a pet peeve of mine...but if your going to use a franchise then respect the universe and Canon of it. And this film totally betrays that. Not to mention the message of the film prior to it.
Secondly Alien worked because it didn't try to explain everything. Crew hears signal. Alien gets on ship. Alien does what it does...just like every creature in the universe. Ignore Nash the Evil android taking orders from Evil corporation of course-but the film works because it's that bare bone about the alien. The only thing the audience needs to know is it's deadly.This string of prequels is repeatedly failing because it's trying...and rather unconvincingly- to explain it all. But it can't seem to make up it's mind what it's trying to tell you.
This is evident with 'the black goo". At the beginning of Promethius an Engineer stands on Earth in religious type cermony and drinks the black goo. Falls into the river and a cinmatic sequence shows the Engineer DNA desolve into the water---thus creating the DNA that creates us humans--which jives with the evolution theory we came from the water. In this film the black goo isn't used to create life but is displayed as a massive bio weapon that destroys all organic life on the whole planet--not just the Engineers. All organic life. If this is what it is then why bother with the alien Eggs in Alien at all when the black Goo is such a more effective weapon for the Engineers to destroy all life on earth? Shouldn't that be what ripley finds on LV-426? Who wrote this crap?
Lastly it's just not believable sci-fi...and i like sci-fi I can say, "okay I can buy that". The first Alien movie was believable. Deep space freighter hears signal.Investigates. Gets alien on board. and the alien was truely 'Alien' thanks to the design of H.R. Giger. This streak of alien movies just isn't. Nor it's plot and the actions of the characters. Imagine the massive cost of the coly ship. first it's preperation. just choosing and studying the target planet. How many Billions did that cost? Are we are to believe the captain...or any damn captain...is going to ditch that billion plus project because of some foggy message received in a space helmet? Or because the flight crew isn't feeling like getting back into cyro chambers? Really?! Are you kidding me?!
Then we got the biggiest WTF of the universe. Imagine if you will it's 300 years in the future. we have deep space travel. we can send colony ships to planets that show life. And ALL we know about virus's, the common cold, disease and the body immune system...under what fucked logic does this crew step off into an alien world teaming with all this we have never been exposed to--without suits, helmets or protection whatsoever...or any logical prodicals even us non space faring people know must exist? Are you kidding me!
The plot and character actions are so 'unbelievable' it boogles the mind. They aren't even trying to present believable sci-fi. A 8 year old wouldn't suggest some of the things that happen in this film. It's devolved to barely comic book level writing but even Batman makes more sense.
[/spoiler]
Overall I felt cheated. Aside from the visuals and sound and the CGA---they could have just had the alien kill everyone and never bother with story at all -- because trying to do story in this film fails on every level.
How does it fail on every level if its Ridley Scott's story and his movie? Granted I haven't seen it yet but I haven't seen a lot of complaints in reviews about the story - the CGI and other effects definitely - but not the story or it's relation to the series' canon.
I was going to say, the prequel series so far has a (very annoying) built-in canon pass, in that it hasn't gotten to LV-246 and the Space Jockey's ship full of eggs. But the writers (we can blame Damon Lindleof for a lot of this confusion) keep playing with their get-out-of-canon-free card, by making the planet in Prometheus and the ship there and the Engineer getting into the chair to navigate, look a lot like the situation on LV-246.
So a lot of your canon-problems, Ghosty, don't count, even though the execution of the excuses (so to speak) are kind of crappy. We don't really know yet what the (much larger?!) Engineer on the crashed ship in Alien was doing yet. It was NOT the ship going to Earth to destroy it; David and Shaw took that one, and it wasn't filled with eggs it was filled with weaponized black goo. Which then got spoilered by Spoiler on the spoiler, so it's all gone now. The black goo is clearly a (science-fantasy) mutagen which can be tweaked to do various things. Even in the prologue to Prometheus, though, it kills its host rather gruesomely. Covenant shows that the vials of goo on the Engineer deathship weren't going to turn people into Xenomorphs. The vials of goo in the Temple did have effects sort of like that, but those weren't the same vials. (Or rather, since I think the Temple turned out to be one of the death ships, the vials ready for weapon deployment weren't like that, but the ones sitting around in the testing room or whatever it was were like that. And then after that ship crashed, Shaw and David took another similar ship off planet. The writers are greatly to blame for this confusion. :P )
While reviewers haven't complained about canon per se, they've often complained that the writers look like they're painting themselves into corners where they'll never cleanly get back to the ship on LV-246. This is an understandable if lamentable side effect of Prometheus having been originally intended NOT to be a prequel to Alien, but rather a sort of loose spiritual remake with some similar themes, like one of those Gundam series that's set in a different continuity from the main timeline of the Universal Century stories.
The moon from the original Alien series was LV-426. Supposedly, the Prometheus visited LV-223, another moon orbiting the same planet as LV-426.
http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/Acheron_(LV-426) (http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/Acheron_LV-426)
http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/LV-223 (http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/LV-223)
What moon are you orbiting?
That is the correct answer.
I knew you would approve.
I honestly could not fault this film. It's always quite cool hearing other people's take on a movie, but it often leaves me thinking "Did I see the same movie?"
Whilst I couldn't sit here and say it all makes complete sense to me, I left the theatre thoroughly happy with the experience and in fact I'm going out tonight again to watch it.
Maybe I just take a very simplistic view when watching films. I thought this made sense as a film between Prometheus and Alien...at least as much as my memory would allow.
Quote from: mirth on May 26, 2017, 09:07:20 AM
The moon from the original Alien series was LV-426. Supposedly, the Prometheus visited LV-223, another moon orbiting the same planet as LV-426.
http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/Acheron_(LV-426) (http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/Acheron_LV-426)
http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/LV-223 (http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/LV-223)
Having just watched Prometheus for the 4th time I can confirm it is LV-223
Quote from: JudgeDredd on May 26, 2017, 10:01:52 AM
I honestly could not fault this film. It's always quite cool hearing other people's take on a movie, but it often leaves me thinking "Did I see the same movie?"
Whilst I couldn't sit here and say it all makes complete sense to me, I left the theatre thoroughly happy with the experience and in fact I'm going out tonight again to watch it.
Maybe I just take a very simplistic view when watching films. I thought this made sense as a film between Prometheus and Alien...at least as much as my memory would allow.
I think some of the complaints are legit. Prometheus, in large part, relied on supposedly very bright people doing some incredibly dumb things. I suspect Covenant, to a lesser extent, does the same.
I rewatched the first 30-45 minutes of Alien last week. Part of what made is such a great movie is that it didn't rely on the characters being profoundly stupid to advance the plot. In fact, the crew was pretty damned smart about things and the Alien still slaughtered them.
Let me give one example. When Dallas and Lambert bring Kane back to the Nostromo, Ripley has no intention of letting them aboard. She knows it will put the entire ship at risk and is willing to disobey a direct order from the captain to safeguard the ship. Smart. Of course, Ash lets them on board anyway which seems dumb at the time, but later proves to be part of his primary orders from the company. The plot is advanced and the "dumb" decision makes total sense later on.
Compare that to some of the behaviors shown in Prometheus by supposedly brilliant scientists and explorers (as opposed to the working Joe crew of the Nostromo) . First sign of breathable air, everyone pops off their helmets. Weird alien snake thing? Let's pet it! Alien donut ship falling on you? Continue to run straight ahead instead of off to the side!
Dumb, dumb and more dumb.
Quote from: Gusington on May 26, 2017, 07:37:58 AM
How does it fail on every level if its Ridley Scott's story and his movie? Granted I haven't seen it yet but I haven't seen a lot of complaints in reviews about the story - the CGI and other effects definitely - but not the story or it's relation to the series' canon.
He's the director. It's not his story nor ever was. He directed the first movie based on a book written by someone else. he left out a whole bunch of the canon in the movie but it certainly exists in the book. These last two film are also not his story. he directs the film. As JasonPratt pointed out correctly who is responsible for the stories of the last two films. The problem is Promethius and those that wrote it have the canon going one direction (Engineers create us. Engineers want to destroy us explaining the eggs found on LV-426).
This last film throws all that out and now wants us to believe David is the one wiping out worlds and creating the alien. No where yet taking us to LV-426. And seeing how destructive and effective the black goo is one HAS to wonder why they bother with the alien eggs at all.
Promethius was taking us somewhere logical. Covennant looks like a bandaid attempt to apologize for Promethius and get back to the horror of the alien irregardless of how illogical getting there actually is. And that is deeply dissapointing because Promethius could have taken us somewhere deep and interesting whereas Covenant takes us to a simple plot line of malfuntioning robot.
Quote from: ghostryder on May 26, 2017, 10:18:41 AM
He's the director. It's not his story nor ever was. He directed the first movie based on a book written by someone else. he left out a whole bunch of the canon in the movie but it certainly exists in the book.
The first movie was not based on a book.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_(film)#Development
Quote from: mirth on May 26, 2017, 10:22:24 AM
Quote from: ghostryder on May 26, 2017, 10:18:41 AM
He's the director. It's not his story nor ever was. He directed the first movie based on a book written by someone else. he left out a whole bunch of the canon in the movie but it certainly exists in the book.
The first movie was not based on a book.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_(film)#Development
QuoteAfter completion of the film Dark Star (1974), writer Dan O'Bannon thought to develop some of the ideas (especially the theme of "alien hunts crew through a spaceship") and create a science-fiction action film. Provisionally called Memory, screenwriter Ronald Shusett collaborated with O'Bannon on the project, adding elements from a previous O'Bannon script, Gremlins, which featured gremlins causing mayhem aboard a World War II bomber and wreaking havoc with the crew. The duo finished the script, initially entitled Star Beast, which was later changed to Alien after O'Bannon noticed the number of times the word "alien" occurred in the script.[5][6] Their script was sold to Brandywine Productions, a company formed by producers Gordon Carroll, David Giler, and Walter Hill that had a distribution deal with 20th Century Fox. The writers imagined a low-budget film, but the success of Star Wars inclined 20th Century Fox to invest millions on the production.[7]
^Right. It was an original script that Scott directed, but there was no book with pre-existing canon that Scott was picking and choosing from.
No book. But there may have been a lot more to the script that was left out.
Alan Dean Foster wrote the novelization of Alien. Not surprisingly, there are significant differences from the movie. Often times, a novel is written before the script is even finished.
http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/Alien_(novel (http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/Alien_(novel))
Quote from: OJsDad on May 26, 2017, 10:31:25 AM
No book. But there may have been a lot more to the script that was left out.
That happens with almost every movie though. Generally it is what makes it into the movie that is considered 'canon'. And it's entirely different from making a movie based on an established written work like LoTR.
That might be so but the book does exist and does has tons of canon not found in the movie. entire chapters devoted to Nash studying John Hurt with the face hugger on him-whereas the book clearly carries this to great lengths with Nash always knowing an alien was being incubated inside of him.-- totally skipped over in the movie--is just one small example of many where the book is full of details the movie doesn't touch.
Quote from: ghostryder on May 26, 2017, 10:35:24 AM
That might be so but the book does exist and does has tons of canon not found in the movie. entire chapters devoted to Nash studying John Hurt with the face hugger on him-whereas the book clearly carries this to great lengths with Nash always knowing an alien was being incubated inside of him.-- totally skipped over in the movie--is just one small example of many where the book is full of details the movie doesn't touch.
Every movie novelization has details not found in the film. It's just the nature of the different mediums.
The Alien book was based on the movie, not the other way around. The novelization of Star Wars had many differences from the film. Doesn't mean Lucas was ignoring the canon of the book.
Quote from: mirth on May 26, 2017, 10:18:03 AM
Quote from: JudgeDredd on May 26, 2017, 10:01:52 AM
I honestly could not fault this film. It's always quite cool hearing other people's take on a movie, but it often leaves me thinking "Did I see the same movie?"
Whilst I couldn't sit here and say it all makes complete sense to me, I left the theatre thoroughly happy with the experience and in fact I'm going out tonight again to watch it.
Maybe I just take a very simplistic view when watching films. I thought this made sense as a film between Prometheus and Alien...at least as much as my memory would allow.
I think some of the complaints are legit. Prometheus, in large part, relied on supposedly very bright people doing some incredibly dumb things. I suspect Covenant, to a lesser extent, does the same.
I rewatched the first 30-45 minutes of Alien last week. Part of what made is such a great movie is that it didn't rely on the characters being profoundly stupid to advance the plot. In fact, the crew was pretty damned smart about things and the Alien still slaughtered them.
Let me give one example. When Dallas and Lambert bring Kane back to the Nostromo, Ripley has no intention of letting them aboard. She knows it will put the entire ship at risk and is willing to disobey a direct order from the captain to safeguard the ship. Smart. Of course, Ash lets them on board anyway which seems dumb at the time, but later proves to be part of his primary orders from the company. The plot is advanced and the "dumb" decision makes total sense later on.
Compare that to some of the behaviors shown in Prometheus by supposedly brilliant scientists and explorers (as opposed to the working Joe crew of the Nostromo) . First sign of breathable air, everyone pops off their helmets. Weird alien snake thing? Let's pet it! Alien donut ship falling on you? Continue to run straight ahead instead of off to the side!
Dumb, dumb and more dumb.
I agree. My main problem with the films is they are no longer hard sci-fi. look, in Star Trek Kirk could visit as many planets as he wanted in his shirt and never catch a cold---that that's Space opera--with talking hamsters in space suits. Hard sci-fi would have kirk being killed by a virus the first time the moron stepped on a planet unprotected. Real science dictates if we ever were to colonize a planet with Life we'd probably be on it fully protected by it's organisims decades --developing vaccines and such long before anyone would wander out without a helmet. hell you can't even get on a plane with a visa and fly across an ocean without those preperations right now on this planet!
And that's the rub. They aren't even trying anymore to be convincing sci-fi.
Quote from: ghostryder on May 26, 2017, 10:44:45 AM
And that's the rub. They aren't even trying anymore to be convincing sci-fi.
On that, we are in complete agreement. The original movie was the perfect blend of legit sci-fi and horror.
It's disappointing that Scott has deviated so far from what made his early work so great.
Even Aliens tried. Atmosphere terroforming on a dead moon making it breathable--taking decades. No life so no bio hazard---so the colony on LV-426 not wearing helmets again made sense. Discovering the eggs and being wiped out made sense. Where the hell is the sequel about those colonists? That would make sense.
This movie is running on a string of a plot about as weak as rice paper.
The Hadley's Hope backstory has been filled in by at least one novel. It's supposed to be 'canon'.
http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/Alien:_River_of_Pain
Even that is interesting. Promethius was taking us somewhere interesting as bad as the execution was---this movie however ....isn't where it could have been.
[spoiler]It's taking us to a rather silly plot line of Bad robot. Even before our hero stepped into that cyro chamber and finally realizing what's up I saw that coming 20 minutes earlier when the 2 androids were fighting. Seemingly intelligent and educated people trusted with a project costing billions and over 2000 lives being so utterly dumb the movie was more comedy than horror.[/spoiler]
And my 86 year old mom walking out and her first comment, "I don't understand the point of that movie." And I can't explain it to her.
Quote from: ghostryder on May 26, 2017, 10:44:45 AM
Quote from: mirth on May 26, 2017, 10:18:03 AM
Quote from: JudgeDredd on May 26, 2017, 10:01:52 AM
I honestly could not fault this film. It's always quite cool hearing other people's take on a movie, but it often leaves me thinking "Did I see the same movie?"
Whilst I couldn't sit here and say it all makes complete sense to me, I left the theatre thoroughly happy with the experience and in fact I'm going out tonight again to watch it.
Maybe I just take a very simplistic view when watching films. I thought this made sense as a film between Prometheus and Alien...at least as much as my memory would allow.
I think some of the complaints are legit. Prometheus, in large part, relied on supposedly very bright people doing some incredibly dumb things. I suspect Covenant, to a lesser extent, does the same.
I rewatched the first 30-45 minutes of Alien last week. Part of what made is such a great movie is that it didn't rely on the characters being profoundly stupid to advance the plot. In fact, the crew was pretty damned smart about things and the Alien still slaughtered them.
Let me give one example. When Dallas and Lambert bring Kane back to the Nostromo, Ripley has no intention of letting them aboard. She knows it will put the entire ship at risk and is willing to disobey a direct order from the captain to safeguard the ship. Smart. Of course, Ash lets them on board anyway which seems dumb at the time, but later proves to be part of his primary orders from the company. The plot is advanced and the "dumb" decision makes total sense later on.
Compare that to some of the behaviors shown in Prometheus by supposedly brilliant scientists and explorers (as opposed to the working Joe crew of the Nostromo) . First sign of breathable air, everyone pops off their helmets. Weird alien snake thing? Let's pet it! Alien donut ship falling on you? Continue to run straight ahead instead of off to the side!
Dumb, dumb and more dumb.
I agree. My main problem with the films is they are no longer hard sci-fi. look, in Star Trek Kirk could visit as many planets as he wanted in his shirt and never catch a cold---that that's Space opera--with talking hamsters in space suits. Hard sci-fi would have kirk being killed by a virus the first time the moron stepped on a planet unprotected. Real science dictates if we ever were to colonize a planet with Life we'd probably be on it fully protected by it's organisims decades --developing vaccines and such long before anyone would wander out without a helmet. hell you can't even get on a plane with a visa and fly across an ocean without those preperations right now on this planet!
And that's the rub. They aren't even trying anymore to be convincing sci-fi.
I would like to point out actually, that with all the things you mentioned, that was one thing I related to and actually mentioned to my daughter. But generally, I thought it was a very good movie. Was it canon? No idea really. There did seem to be tie ins - I could see, as I said, that this was a sequel to Prometheus and a sequel to Alien (or it's other prequel) - in other words I could see where the story was going. Was it going in a straight line? No, not really. In fact there are a couple of things I didn't get.
But - as a film - about Aliens with the dreaded xenomorph - and I thought it was very well done in this movie - it was a bloody good film.
Like I said - I liked Prometheus though :P
Quote from: JudgeDredd on May 26, 2017, 11:36:03 AM
Like I said - I liked Prometheus though :P
You have other redeeming qualities :P
Quote from: ghostryder on May 26, 2017, 11:22:53 AM
[spoiler]Even that is interesting. Promethius was taking us somewhere interesting as bad as the execution was---this movie however ....isn't where it could have been. It's taking us to a rather silly plot line of Bad robot. Even before our hero stepped into that cyro chamber and finally realizing what's up I saw that coming 20 minutes earlier when the 2 androids were fighting. Seemingly intelligent and educated people trusted with a project costing billions and over 2000 lives being so utterly dumb the movie was more comedy than horror.
And my 86 year old mom walking out and her first comment, "I don't understand the point of that movie." And I can't explain it to her.
[/spoiler]
Mate - spoiler alert.
I know you want to get your message out there - but try and not ruin it for others. There's spoilers in there that no-one need know. And your indication to when you noticed is a complete and utter ruining statement.
Please mark as spoiler asap so it doesn't spoil anyone's viewing. C:-)
Quote from: mirth on May 26, 2017, 11:40:23 AM
Quote from: JudgeDredd on May 26, 2017, 11:36:03 AM
Like I said - I liked Prometheus though :P
You have other redeeming qualities :P
That's good to know...or disconcerting...I don't know which yet :D
I do agree when the movie is just about the alien and the action scenes it's done about as well as it has ever been done. But that consists of what---the last 22 minutes? Not enough as a whole to carry the rest--but I'm a lot more hung up on the canon than a lot of people so I can see why they liked it.
Canon in this franchise doesn't mean much to me. If Alien 3 and Resurrection are considered canon, who really gives a crap?
Basically, this franchise boils down to one great movie (and concept) followed by an excellent sequel. It should have ended there.
Quote from: ghostryder on May 26, 2017, 11:22:53 AM
Even that is interesting. Promethius was taking us somewhere interesting as bad as the execution was---this movie however ....isn't where it could have been.
[spoiler]It's taking us to a rather silly plot line of Bad robot. Even before our hero stepped into that cyro chamber and finally realizing what's up I saw that coming 20 minutes earlier when the 2 androids were fighting. Seemingly intelligent and educated people trusted with a project costing billions and over 2000 lives being so utterly dumb the movie was more comedy than horror.[/spoiler]
And my 86 year old mom walking out and her first comment, "I don't understand the point of that movie." And I can't explain it to her.
Thanks for hiding that. O0
I just thought that was quite a specific part of the movie and with the mention of your realisation, it seemed it should be hidden.
You don't want people to know that Jar Jar Binks is the Alien King?
Meesa gonna facehugga you!
Good grief, I can see senility creeping upon me... :'( Yep, flipped the numbers around on the moon.
I will be absolutely surprised if the films ever get back to the proper planet(ary moon) with the proper ship and so-forth, in a way that makes coherent sense. At this point I'll be a little surprised if they ever get back to the start of Alien at all. It might be better to treat this as a new alternate continuity going forward, and just ignore trying to tie into the first two films.
Quote from: JasonPratt on May 26, 2017, 01:16:36 PM
It might be better to treat this as a new alternate continuity going forward, and just ignore trying to tie into the first two films.
Why not? That was pretty much what they did with A3 & AR.
Someone say Alien 3?
GR - yes Ridley Scott is the director not the writer of the original movie but isn't it Ridley Scott responsible for what we all love and remember from it, and the bulk of the series? The combination of sci-fi and horror? Especially since there was no book for the first film as some of the guys mentioned above. Scott basically made the story his, along with the help of probably 1000 special effects guys and HR Giger.
As far as characters doing stupid things, I have to agree. I just rewatched Prometheus last week and the removal of the helmets is probably the dumbest moment in film history.
However...an infection does take them down, the way you mentioned it would take Capt. Kirk down. So is the removal of the helmets a red herring, dumb plot device or writer's stupidity? Or all of the above.
I am moving to north England so I can move in with JD and we can watch Prometheus and Alien 3 every Friday and then get drunk on beer.
Quote from: JasonPratt on May 26, 2017, 01:16:36 PM
Good grief, I can see senility creeping upon me... :'( Yep, flipped the numbers around on the moon.
I will be absolutely surprised if the films ever get back to the proper planet(ary moon) with the proper ship and so-forth, in a way that makes coherent sense. At this point I'll be a little surprised if they ever get back to the start of Alien at all. It might be better to treat this as a new alternate continuity going forward, and just ignore trying to tie into the first two films.
In a recent interview, Scott said that the plot of the next, and supposedly final film would bring things together and connect to Alien. I'm not really sure how that's going to work after Covenant, but I'll give it the benefit of the doubt. The next movie is supposedly already written and ready to shoot inside of the next 14 months, so I think they had the plot of that one in mind when they did this one.
He did however pretty much wave off considering anything from Aliens on forward canon to this series. In the interview he was fairly direct that the concept of the Xenomorph as a hive animal with a Queen and such were things he wasn't going to acknowledge or follow in finishing off the series.
There may well be more than one additional prequel:
QuoteIn September 2015, Ridley Scott revealed he was planning two sequels to Prometheus, which would lead into the first Alien film, even adding: "Maybe [there will] even [be] a fourth film before we get back into the Alien franchise." In November 2015, Scott confirmed that Alien: Covenant would be the first of three additional films in the Alien prequel series, before linking up with the original Alien, and stated that the Prometheus sequels will reveal who created the xenomorph aliens. The screenplay for the third prequel film was written during production of Alien: Covenant and finished in 2017. Production is scheduled to begin in 2018. In March 2017, Scott said, "If you really want a franchise, I can keep cranking it for another six. I'm not going to close it down again. No way."
That's pretty ambitious given his age. I'm still sceptical about more Prometheus sequels if Covenant is only a marginal money maker.
Will some of those future Scott Free movies explain why the Engineers are such assholes?
Three things...
First...
Quote from: Gusington on May 26, 2017, 02:38:41 PM
As far as characters doing stupid things, I have to agree. I just rewatched Prometheus last week and the removal of the helmets is probably the dumbest moment in film history.
If you think that looked stupid, wait till you see them leave without helmets
at all - let alone taking them off later (although if you listen carefully, Mother is calling out the composition of the planets environment, nitrogen, oxygen, gravity etc, etc).
Second...
Quote from: Gusington on May 26, 2017, 02:38:41 PM
I am moving to north England so I can move in with JD and we can watch Prometheus and Alien 3 every Friday and then get drunk on beer.
If you head to the North of England, we'll be about 250 miles away from each other (I live in Colchester - bob lives in the North of England) and also, I ain't watchin' Alien 3 again. I'd rather watch Star Wars Episode One again - but actually would rather rub raw onions on my eyeballs for at least an hour before doing either (though Prometheus and the beer sounds pretty cool)
And lastly...
This thing with the Alien ship. I've watched Prometheus again today and there were other ships. David says "That was not the only ship. There are many more". And the Alien creature comes out of the Engineer on the planet. It's entirely possible, no, that the Alien manages to get to one of these other ships and uses one of the Engineers as a host or perhaps attacks it in flight and it crashes on the original Alien planet.
How these prequel movies may or may not connect to Alien are the least of my problems with them.
Quote from: mirth on May 26, 2017, 11:47:25 AM
Canon in this franchise doesn't mean much to me. If Alien 3 and Resurrection are considered canon, who really gives a crap?
Basically, this franchise boils down to one great movie (and concept) followed by an excellent sequel. It should have ended there.
I try to forget Alien 3 and Resurrection exist. I have to be really drunk to watch any of the Alien vs predator movies and Alien Isolation----which pretty much felt a hell of a lot more like an indoor Mall rather than a spaceship where space would be a very expensive premium in that game apparantly spaceships are so inexpensive to produce you can have a 16x16 room with only 4 lockers, a table and a chair in them. None of them really do the first 2 films any justice let alone the canon--I felt promethius could have if taken in a different direction but i can't see how a 3rd film could possibly rescue it at this point.
God let's hope the new bladerunner isn't so easily mangled by MTV writers. If your looking for good sci-fi you can count the movies in my lifetime on one hand. Gattica and Children of men, the first 2 aliens and possibly 2001 A space oddyssey.
Quote from: ghostryder on May 26, 2017, 04:55:54 PM
Quote from: mirth on May 26, 2017, 11:47:25 AM
Canon in this franchise doesn't mean much to me. If Alien 3 and Resurrection are considered canon, who really gives a crap?
Basically, this franchise boils down to one great movie (and concept) followed by an excellent sequel. It should have ended there.
I try to forget Alien 3 and Resurrection exist. I have to be really drunk to watch any of the Alien vs predator movies and Alien Isolation----which pretty much felt a hell of a lot more like an indoor Mall rather than a spaceship where space would be a very expensive premium in that game apparantly spaceships are so inexpensive to produce you can have a 16x16 room with only 4 lockers, a table and a chair in them. None of them really do the first 2 films any justice let alone the canon--I felt promethius could have if taken in a different direction but i can't see how a 3rd film could possibly rescue it at this point.
God let's hope the new bladerunner isn't so easily mangled by MTV writers. If your looking for good sci-fi you can count the movies in my lifetime on one hand. Gattica and Children of men, the first 2 aliens and possibly 2001 A space oddyssey.
You forgot Star Trek V.
Children of Men is one of my favorite movies of any type...Top 25 there.
But Alien - Isolation (the game) I am playing right now and it is also excellent. Totally makes the player paranoid and terrified.
Quote from: Gusington on May 26, 2017, 08:04:18 PM
Children of Men is one of my favorite movies of any type...Top 25 there.
But Alien - Isolation (the game) I am playing right now and it is also excellent. Totally makes the player paranoid and terrified.
Alien Isolation stands as probably the third best Alien movie, it just happens to be a game.
And even though he didn't say anything about it, I'm pretty sure Scott was heavily inspired by Isolation for the Xenomorph in Covenant.
^I hope that's true. The Alien - Isolation creature is one bad mofo.
Quote from: Gusington on May 26, 2017, 08:04:18 PM
Children of Men is one of my favorite movies of any type...Top 25 there.
But Alien - Isolation (the game) I am playing right now and it is also excellent. Totally makes the player paranoid and terrified.
Sure as a game. But you can't possibly think that's a ship--in space. It's roomier than the titanic --
I just like sci fi I can believe...and again...aside from the movies I mentioned there's really zip. Gattica...yeah i can see that happening. Children of men. Absolutely. Star Trek V? This is your brain on drugs. Just say no. Nancy is right.
Quote from: Gusington on May 26, 2017, 03:04:45 PM
Will some of those future Scott Free movies explain why the Engineers are such assholes?
I don't want to spoil it for you if you haven't seen the movie. but let's just say they are Charlie Sheen and Promethius is two and half men.
Children of Men got really, really close to predicting the world we live in now.
Alien - Isolation takes place on the Sevastopol, which is not a ship...it's a station. I may be nitpicking but to me there's a difference. A station would/will be like a mall in space.
Quote from: Gusington on May 26, 2017, 03:04:45 PM
Will some of those future Scott Free movies explain why the Engineers are such assholes?
In the same interview I referenced, Scott actually went into that, with a sad implication that the future films won't address it.
His explanation was that, in a nutshell, the Engineers dabbled in a lot of civilizations and that humanity just didn't fit what they thought was the right evolutionary path. They, when viewing humans 2000 years ago, saw them as violent, barbaric, and potentially a threat if left unchecked, so they decided in an almost bureaucratic fashion to just hit reset and start over while mankind was still a very primitive non problem. Of course we saw in Prometheus that the ship tasked with hitting reset on humanity was 2000 years too late, so the Engineer in that film was truly horrified to see that all their fears about what humanity might do unchecked had come true.
Quote from: Gusington on May 26, 2017, 09:42:27 PM
Children of Men got really, really close to predicting the world we live in now.
Alien - Isolation takes place on the Sevastopol, which is not a ship...it's a station. I may be nitpicking but to me there's a difference. A station would/will be like a mall in space.
Gus Gus Gus. We have a space today. Space is at a premium. It's not a roomy mall like station. Space costs....lots. Every inch is INTENTIONALLY engineered to be of use. That's a known common demoninator. If your in space your gonna be in cramped conditions and that's likely never to change. Are you aware how many times NASA downsized their ship to Mars? Because of costs? Look it up.Heck..just look up how much our current space station was downsized compared to the original plan. Alien Isolation's station as science and believable is comical.
Quote from: ghostryder on May 27, 2017, 09:05:33 AM
If your in space your gonna be in cramped conditions and that's likely never to change.
depends on invention/engineering quantum leaps
Even with todays tech dreamed only a decade into the future it might be getting much cheaper to bring a kilogram matter into an high orbit if just the political will would be there to do it
I think of the reusable rockets that are already popping up and and those in a larger and often reused version, with liquid O2 and liquid H2 fuel, which could get generated by electrolysis, then compressed and stored with electric energy from a wind-farm / solar collector combo powerplant in the desert right 'near' (safe distance) the launch complex (or space harbor)
so after a hefty start investment, the fuel would be for free, surplus energy from the wind/solar farm will get sold to the energy market and founds the revision of the the reusable rocket fleet, the upkeep of the powerplant itself, and a slow repay of the taxpayers start investment.
The engineering quantum leap, is getting the rocket engines and body-structure into real long reuse cycles
And IIRC there are also jet/rocket engines crossover in the work elsewhere for a possible 'spaceplane'.
those engines can use the oxygen from the atmosphere as long as possible like a jetliner and then the same engine switch over to internal tanks and 'rocket-mode' to climb into the orbit.
Well that would be reserved for transport of humans, not for the haul of the big modules
If you're gonna compare the ISS to the Sevastopol well I really don't know what else to say. This is fiction GR and it's supposed to be fantastic and blow us away. You probably don't like A Trip to the Moon either because the rocket hits the moon in the wrong eye or something. Good day.
The Space X project is very interesting to keep up on. being a private enterprise costs weight even more than a government funded program via NASA. NASA downsides because of budget costs whereas a private venture may look at the higher costs as a long term investment. Space X certainly is--putting most of it's eggs into 're-useability' that will make the investment pay off.
But even if that works out---it still does not explain wasted dead space found on a station like in Alien Isolation. Even an indoor mall uses it's space far more effectively. It's just downright silly. i know why the programmer's did it---for pathfinding sake. it would be very difficult to get pathfinding to work in a situation even seen in the first alien movie with the narrow halls. So let's not try to pretend such a station could exist---it simply would not because regardless of costs no one is going to be that wasteful.
If you're gonna compare the ISS to the Sevastopol well I really don't know what else to say. This is fiction GR and it's supposed to be fantastic and blow us away. You probably don't like A Trip to the Moon either because the rocket hits the moon in the wrong eye or something. Good day.
Your missing the point Gus. of course it's fiction. Is it believable fiction? Or in other words Hard Sci-fi or Space Opera. The whole point is the franchise has went from hard sci-fi to Space opera.
Quote from: ghostryder on May 27, 2017, 09:05:33 AM
Quote from: Gusington on May 26, 2017, 09:42:27 PM
Children of Men got really, really close to predicting the world we live in now.
Alien - Isolation takes place on the Sevastopol, which is not a ship...it's a station. I may be nitpicking but to me there's a difference. A station would/will be like a mall in space.
Gus Gus Gus. We have a space today. Space is at a premium. It's not a roomy mall like station. Space costs....lots. Every inch is INTENTIONALLY engineered to be of use. That's a known common demoninator. If your in space your gonna be in cramped conditions and that's likely never to change. Are you aware how many times NASA downsized their ship to Mars? Because of costs? Look it up.Heck..just look up how much our current space station was downsized compared to the original plan. Alien Isolation's station as science and believable is comical.
But this is Sci-Fi...you said in your spoiler that "it's just not sci-fi". Isn't the issue that you can do what you like with Sci-Fi?
By the way, one thing that got me in the movie was the fire extinguisher. Seriously? There are still fire extinguishers and they have to be used by a person? That's when I don't get sci-fi...when it shows things "as they are now". I'm like "Seriously? They didn't invent auto-discharging fire extinguishing equipment?"
So my view on sci-fi, I gather, is the opposite of yours. You see it as "Look at how this is now. Why is it not like that in the future?" and I'm more "Why have they got in the future what we have now? Why have they not bettered things?"
You are doing, are you not, what you're accusing them of doing...confusing science fiction with now.
Quote from: ghostryder on May 27, 2017, 10:32:17 AM
---it simply would not because regardless of costs no one is going to be that wasteful.
I would hate if Arabs (radical Muslims ) would go to space ... but they had build a full blown skiing hall in the gulfstates deserts! speaking about wastefulness ::)
I would not be astonished if those would build a flying mosque in space one day just because they could (and as symbol of Islam supremacy) which is nothing more then a big empty hall with rags - perfect for pathfinding on non prayer times, btw ;-) if we found them by buying their darn oil a little longer.
I would love it if the Islamofascists went to space and never came back.
Quote from: Gusington on May 27, 2017, 10:46:55 AM
I would love it if the Islamofascists went to space and never came back.
they need a little help from from us first ...we have to blow them up sky high ;)
Whatever works.
Quote from: JudgeDredd on May 27, 2017, 10:41:33 AM
Quote from: ghostryder on May 27, 2017, 09:05:33 AM
Quote from: Gusington on May 26, 2017, 09:42:27 PM
Children of Men got really, really close to predicting the world we live in now.
Alien - Isolation takes place on the Sevastopol, which is not a ship...it's a station. I may be nitpicking but to me there's a difference. A station would/will be like a mall in space.
Gus Gus Gus. We have a space today. Space is at a premium. It's not a roomy mall like station. Space costs....lots. Every inch is INTENTIONALLY engineered to be of use. That's a known common demoninator. If your in space your gonna be in cramped conditions and that's likely never to change. Are you aware how many times NASA downsized their ship to Mars? Because of costs? Look it up.Heck..just look up how much our current space station was downsized compared to the original plan. Alien Isolation's station as science and believable is comical.
But this is Sci-Fi...you said in your spoiler that "it's just not sci-fi". Isn't the issue that you can do what you like with Sci-Fi?
By the way, one thing that got me in the movie was the fire extinguisher. Seriously? There are still fire extinguishers and they have to be used by a person? That's when I don't get sci-fi...when it shows things "as they are now". I'm like "Seriously? They didn't invent auto-discharging fire extinguishing equipment?"
So my view on sci-fi, I gather, is the opposite of yours. You see it as "Look at how this is now. Why is it not like that in the future?" and I'm more "Why have they got in the future what we have now? Why have they not bettered things?"
You are doing, are you not, what you're accusing them of doing...confusing science fiction with now.
I do not disagree with that. I never thought about the fire extinguisers either-and given the fire accident of Apollo and Oxygen use one would imagine that in the future it's as silly as watching Kirk and crew being thrown about on the bridge because they're clueless about seat belts. But what seperates hard sci-fi from silly is can you ask yourself, "yeah I can see that happening" and that is always based on our current understanding today.
Gattaca works because of what we now know about DNA and gene splicing and so on today. It is easy to extend it to the premise of the movie. that looks feasible. Taking off your helmet in an alien environment you know nothing about doesn't work no matter how you push the science. Nor does the wasted space of the Station in Isolation.
Space X is going to be very interesting. If they succeed-- and you can in fact buy a ticket to mars for about the same price as buying mortgage--for the months long trip you can't simply cram them in like Jet Blue. Your going to need 'space' just to keep them from going nuts. How they make that cost effective may be more than 'reusability' can offset--
Quote from: ghostryder on May 27, 2017, 11:02:18 AM
...Taking off your helmet in an alien environment you know nothing about doesn't work no matter how you push the science
You're making an assumption they know nothing about it though. I thought the same when it happened and mentioned earlier in the thread. But sci-fi is sci-fi. I actually heard the ship read out the composition of the planet and so perhaps the AI on the ship was able to relay the information required to the people that it was breathable and ok to go helmet free.
In Prometheus you heard them say the computer was reporting earth-like air and David confirmed it.
Was it sensible to take your helmet off? Given hindsight and what happened, no. Would we have taken our helmets off if it was reported that it was earth-like? Very probably. Are people stupid? Yes. Are there likely to be stupid people in the future? Yes.
I honestly think you are waaaay over thinking on it. You are looking at current world situations and applying them to the future and that can't really work. The whole idea of sci-fi is that belief can be suspended because it's in the future - it hasn't happened.
As I said - if you were pointing out things that show their lack of change - especially from a technical perspective, then I think those would be valid points. But you're not. You're applying current logic to the future but you have no idea what will be the case in the future.
There was something wrong in the movie that you didn't point out which was way more annoying to me than anything you mentioned
[spoiler]The ship they landed on - it was small...like a people transport. And yet when the Captains wife and the soldier got back to the ship, the pilot of that ship locked then in the med bay - and ran down a corridor that could never have been there...not ever. The med bay was at the side of the ship and the ship was nowhere near wide enough to have that corridor.
It could've been something that was deployed from the ship when it landed - but there was no indication of that[/spoiler]
Quote from: JudgeDredd on May 27, 2017, 12:06:41 PM
Quote from: ghostryder on May 27, 2017, 11:02:18 AM
...Taking off your helmet in an alien environment you know nothing about doesn't work no matter how you push the science
You're making an assumption they know nothing about it though. I thought the same when it happened and mentioned earlier in the thread. But sci-fi is sci-fi. I actually heard the ship read out the composition of the planet and so perhaps the AI on the ship was able to relay the information required to the people that it was breathable and ok to go helmet free.
In Prometheus you heard them say the computer was reporting earth-like air and David confirmed it.
Was it sensible to take your helmet off? Given hindsight and what happened, no. Would we have taken our helmets off if it was reported that it was earth-like? Very probably. Are people stupid? Yes. Are there likely to be stupid people in the future? Yes.
I honestly think you are waaaay over thinking on it. You are looking at current world situations and applying them to the future and that can't really work. The whole idea of sci-fi is that belief can be suspended because it's in the future - it hasn't happened.
As I said - if you were pointing out things that show their lack of change - especially from a technical perspective, then I think those would be valid points. But you're not. You're applying current logic to the future but you have no idea what will be the case in the future.
There was something wrong in the movie that you didn't point out which was way more annoying to me than anything you mentioned
[spoiler]The ship they landed on - it was small...like a people transport. And yet when the Captains wife and the soldier got back to the ship, the pilot of that ship locked then in the med bay - and ran down a corridor that could never have been there...not ever. The med bay was at the side of the ship and the ship was nowhere near wide enough to have that corridor.
It could've been something that was deployed from the ship when it landed - but there was no indication of that[/spoiler]
You just don't take your helmet off because there's no air. You don't take it off because there might be pathagens that'll kill you. Especially on a planet known to have life. there's no way- in either film- mother could have possible scanned, cataloged and identified and produced vaccines to combat whatever millions of different germs are there. Your going to in the least--in the simpliest terms-expose a lab rat before you expose a human. Therefore full protection should have always been worn during both films. there's really no sound reason not to aside from a director saying, "it's better if we see their face for expressions." other than that the alien can still kill them via the plot regardless.
And the fact the director did say---"screw the science. take the helmet off" only makes my point. Not to mention in Covenant no one noticed-including the ship's computer- there was no "birds" or any organic life at all until they walked around a bit. In real terms that should...and would be know before anyone stepped outside and is certainly a reason to be wearing a helmet. The whole movie is plain silly in this regard and this isn't high end only a few scientist would know stuff....this is basic stuff and common sense stuff anyone would notice.
H.G. Wells used just that in War of the Worlds. When you think about it--that too would be dumb. They came all this way and planned this all these years and they took their helmet off? The first film repected it---Ripley wasn't going to let them onboard. Here-they throw it all out the window---and in doing so really ruins the franchise IMHO. And no- I have to disagree. Being Earthlike is exactly why you keep the helmet on.
I've heard that there's a scene in the movie after the Neomorphs start popping out, where someone in the cast (Tennessee?) directly lampshades how grossly stupid they were to go around without a helmet.
That's the worst kind of lampshading: it's essentially admitting the writers knew better, and knew that the characters would know better, but needed a plot kickstart so they might as well call attention to it.
Re the large rooms in Alien: Isolation being unrealistic -- none of these films work without faster than light travel, which is far more scientifically impossible right now and which the films routinely blink past. So compared to that, I'm willing to grant exotic alloys allowing a space station to look like a train station or airport without the need for cramming every square inch of surface space full of usefulness. (Which is also done in real life because space itself is freaking deadly even without Tyrannids which can grow from half a hand size to 8' plus in a few hours without eating anything.)
Re Scott deciding not to connect with Aliens as canon: I can't say I like it, but I can understand the choice. In the director's cut of Alien we see that the captain has been impregnated after being captured, which shouldn't happen without a queen either, but then the Xeno doesn't look like it can lay eggs. Apparently Scott doesn't think a queen beast is necessary for all the eggs in the crashed ship. How he's going to solve that problem, or try to, we'll see I guess.
Re Scott doing three sequels to Prometheus: I've heard the other one will be an intraquel going into the David/Shaw story in more detail. Whichever one they do first, who knows. Personally I'll be very surprised if they ever go back to the David/Shaw story.
Re A3 and AR being alt canon: they couldn't possibly be alt-canon in the sense that the Prometheus timeline is shaping up to be. They follow very explicitly from events in prior films, A3 somewhat moreso than AR. The AvP films are clearly alt-canon, on the other hand, and that's fine.
RedLetterMedia does a spoiler followup to their Covenant review. No really new criticisms here, but their shellshocked schtick is funny.
Quote from: JasonPratt on May 27, 2017, 12:54:30 PM
Re Scott doing three sequels to Prometheus: I've heard the other one will be an intraquel going into the David/Shaw story in more detail. Whichever one they do first, who knows. Personally I'll be very surprised if they ever go back to the David/Shaw story.
I don't think we're going to see more than one last Alien film from Scott. He said this on May 10...
"I'll probably be filming it within a year," Scott says about the follow up to 'Covenant'. "It'll be out within a year and nine months. It's weird when you're writing, doing, planning, thinking about franchises, it's amazing how it opens up and starts to evolve."
On whether that film, rumoured to be called 'Alien: Awakening', will complete the prequel series and lead us directly up to the events of the 1979 'Alien', Scott remains coy. "I don't know. [I'll make] maybe two more [films], or maybe one more, I don't know."
Quote from: SirAndrewD on May 27, 2017, 01:49:22 PM
Quote from: JasonPratt on May 27, 2017, 12:54:30 PM
Re Scott doing three sequels to Prometheus: I've heard the other one will be an intraquel going into the David/Shaw story in more detail. Whichever one they do first, who knows. Personally I'll be very surprised if they ever go back to the David/Shaw story.
I don't think we're going to see more than one last Alien film from Scott. He said this on May 10...
"I'll probably be filming it within a year," Scott says about the follow up to 'Covenant'. "It'll be out within a year and nine months. It's weird when you're writing, doing, planning, thinking about franchises, it's amazing how it opens up and starts to evolve."
On whether that film, rumoured to be called 'Alien: Awakening', will complete the prequel series and lead us directly up to the events of the 1979 'Alien', Scott remains coy. "I don't know. [I'll make] maybe two more [films], or maybe one more, I don't know."
I think Covenant's largest flaw is focusing on David rather than the Engineers. David just isn't that interesting whereas I can imagine a ton of interesting things for the Engineers. Prometheus led everyone into thinking the next film would be about them. No wonder it hasn't done at the box office what it could have. They barely got 3 minutes of screen time.
Quote from: ghostryder on May 27, 2017, 03:14:48 PM
I think Covenant's largest flaw is focusing on David rather than the Engineers. David just isn't that interesting whereas I can imagine a ton of interesting things for the Engineers. Prometheus led everyone into thinking the next film would be about them. No wonder it hasn't done at the box office what it could have. They barely got 3 minutes of screen time.
Michael Fassbender's performance has been universally acclaimed as one of the strongest parts of the movie. And the role of androids has always been a strong theme running through the movies.
Yeah. the've done androids to death in the alien movies. enough already. it was time for something new. we thought we were going to get that but instead it was yet again another android. Not faulting his performance--- he did an excellent job---and i even knew the basic plot before the movie released--as i followed it during production---and knew of the focus---but anyone seeing prometheus had to be hoping for more on the Engineers---
Quote from: ghostryder on May 27, 2017, 07:43:00 PM
anyone seeing prometheus had to be hoping for more on the Engineers---
Not everyone
but they created you. You are their child.
And then they decided to un-create us. And you think Washington wastes money. The wife and I saw it tonight and both of us liked it a lot. She hadn't seen any of the other Alien movies except for the original. I think it was a tad predictable and the crew was so dumb at times that you had to wonder why these were the guys they picked to wake-up first. :hide: But a very good movie and fits in well to follow-up Prometheus. I'd give it a 7.5 outta 10.
I am not ok with where Scott went with the origins of the Xeno.
At the same time I'm totally ok with where Scott went with the origins of the Xeno.
The story is about creation, and hubiris in creation. It's about children getting out of control of their parents. It's the same themes that Scott hit so effectively in Blade Runner.
I too would've liked to see the Engineers feature more, but the story as it stands is more effective, at least to me, as something about gods, absolutely lower case, behaving badly and stupidly, and fumbling about in the accident of creation, much in the way our parents fumble about in the accident of creating us.
It won't resonate with everyone. And yeah, there were much more scary ideas that I could create myself for the backstory of the Xeno. But in the end, I'm down with where the story is going. I may absolutely hate it at the end, but I'm going to let it get to that end before I make that complete decision. Even if I hate it though, I respect the auteur's desire.
Let me clarify dispite my dislikes overall I'd certainly rate the movie above anything else done after aliens. The alien in this is a badass and the action parts are awesome. I do not regret going to see it---it was nice as we went to the early show and had the whole theater to ourselves.And the visuals in the film really make a theater viewing worth it.
Slash you didn't even call me! Fine, man.
I did call you. The Rottweiler answered and said you were working. I NEVER argue with Rottweilers.
^That is true except for the part about the Rottie...he's dead.
Was this the inlaws Rott.
Died of..... natural causes did he? Or was it an 'unfortunate accident'? Because the, "He must have gotten hit on the road" excuse doesn't work with Rotties. Unless you got army tanks driving by outside your house. Anyway, R.I.P. Mr. Rottweiler.
He died when I put him down. He had bone cancer, two summers ago :-\
Now we have Clyde, world's largest lap dog. He's about 100 lbs. of love - Swiss Mountain Dog.
Cool guy who has taught me the difference between a watch dog and a guard dog.
(https://www.dogbreedinfo.com/images11/Greater%20Swiss%20Mountain%20DogHarryBackYard4.JPG)
He's beautiful Gus. He doesn't look Swiss though. Where's the keg? Sorry about the Rottie. I had to put down a couple of my pugs when they got to that time and it's a real bitch to deal with. I wouldn't let the vet bury them. I took them home where they would always be close. Dogs are such good friends, unlike cats who would happily smother us all with pillows in our sleep at night if they could figure-out how to use the can opener. Next time I got a cold one close by, I'll hoist it for Clyde. :clap:
If you're not quick he'll hoist it for you...he's a food/drink thief.
Hoping to catch Covenant in the theater this weekend.
Looks like a great dog Gus. Is that an actual picture of him. Where did you find him.
Not actual but he is identical to that image. There are not a lot of breeders in the NE - we found an excellent one in rural PA. Con has a Swiss Mountain Dog and helped me out with a lot of info on them when we were researching.
If you have papers on him he could be worth a goldmine. Especially if you want to breed him. I did very well for about 25 years breeding pugs and selling the pups. It was a lot of work but I liked it a hell of a lot more than a second, second job.
This is much better than talking about the movie O0
Quote from: mirth on May 30, 2017, 09:44:42 AM
This is much better than talking about the movie O0
...until Ghosty tells us the flaws of canine in general and of Swiss Mountain Dogs especially ^-^
Hahaha!
We considered it but sticking to her base female instinct, The Wife had Clyde snipped a year ago.
Like all who have come before, his balls are on the mantle.
Quote from: MikeGER on May 30, 2017, 09:49:59 AM
Quote from: mirth on May 30, 2017, 09:44:42 AM
This is much better than talking about the movie O0
...until Ghosty tells us the flaws of canine in general and of Swiss Mountain Dogs especially ^-^
Well, the problem is that in America most Swiss Mountain Dogs aren't actually Swiss at all. They're just cheap Bolivian knock-offs....
Quote from: MikeGER on May 30, 2017, 09:49:59 AM
Quote from: mirth on May 30, 2017, 09:44:42 AM
This is much better than talking about the movie O0
...until Ghosty tells us the flaws of canine in general and of Swiss Mountain Dogs especially ^-^
Bwahahaha!!! You know it's coming.
Quote from: Gusington on May 30, 2017, 09:53:39 AM
We considered it but sticking to her base female instinct, The Wife had Clyde snipped a year ago.
Like all who have come before, his balls are on the mantle.
The missus does like her trophies.
Quote from: Gusington on May 30, 2017, 09:08:07 AM
Not actual but he is identical to that image. There are not a lot of breeders in the NE - we found an excellent one in rural PA. Con has a Swiss Mountain Dog and helped me out with a lot of info on them when we were researching.
Our big guy unfortunately passed away last year. That was a very tough day. But we are getting a new swissy puppy (genuine and not some cheap Bolivian knock off) on June 10th.
I will post some pics when we get it and the puppy is available for rent if anyone needs a chick magnet. Mirth though would need to be covered in puppies before a girl looks at him
Quote from: Con on May 30, 2017, 10:43:41 AM
I will post some pics when we get it and the puppy is available for rent if anyone needs a chick magnet. Mirth though would need to be covered in puppies before a girl looks at him
Looks at me without vomiting.
Quote from: mirth on May 30, 2017, 10:15:11 AM
Well, the problem is that in America most Swiss Mountain Dogs aren't actually Swiss at all. They're just cheap Bolivian knock-offs....
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...which leads us to the sentiment:
and Gus is a son of Israel ...isn't it ? and so all is good O0
JP mode off*
;) ;) ;)
This thread has taken a fantastic turn.
Con is not kidding about these dogs being chick magnets. When I walk him by myself - even when he is full grown - chicks on bikes, chicks in cars, chicks running - they come out of the woodwork. And he loves it...as do I. Problem is, he is way better looking than me, as our other dog also was.
I could have used a dog like this 20 years ago.
Question. Aren't all dogs in Switzerland mountain dogs? I mean is there any place else to be in Switzerland other than mountains? I bet there are exactly zero Swiss Plains Dogs or Swiss Jungle Dogs or Swiss Lying-Back By The Pool Dogs for that matter. And, do Swiss Mountain Dogs bark in French or German?
In my house, the Swiss Mountain Dog prefers the couch and talks to me in English. But he is a devout Cambodian Orthodox Buddhist convert.
A rare breed indeed.
As is his owner and master. Was there a movie connected to this thread? :timeout:
Quote from: Sir Slash on May 30, 2017, 03:02:20 PM
Was there a movie connected to this thread? :timeout:
Let's face it, this thread's gone to the dogs.
Owner? Sure. Master? Pfft.
We've been looking around for a replacement dog, but not in a hurry because of a vacation this summer and want to wait until after we get back. I came across this guy that would be perfect, since we want an outside dog. Then I got to looking at the Bernese breed more. Do they really only live about 8 years.
https://www.petfinder.com/petdetail/38146329
I never heard of a Bernese Mountain Dog. My guess would be since Bern is part of Switzerland, it'd be the same breed as Gus'. They sure look alike. I never heard of any breed of dog living only 8 years. Every breed I've heard of will usually live to around 12-15 years. Fleas however are immortal.
Oops, my mistake. I was thinking that the Greater Swiss Mountain dog and the Bernese Mountain dog were the same. They are not.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernese_Mountain_Dog
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Swiss_Mountain_Dog
Yeah the Bernese is what The Wife wanted originally but many of them don't make it past 8 or 9 years old, so we went with the other breed.
I think I'm going to skip watching this Alien movie based on this thread. It seems a stupid decision to replace the aliens with dogs.
Quote from: Pete Dero on May 31, 2017, 07:06:31 AM
I think I'm going to skip watching this Alien movie based on this thread. It seems a stupid decision to replace the aliens with dogs.
Kinda makes sense. Personally, I find Pugs terrifying.
OHHH! A Pug-Xenomorph would be just the cutest little killing machine ever. I bet they'd snort when they explode out of your stomach. :dreamer:
In space, no one can hear you snort.
Pug killing machine. Nothing better will be posted on the interwebz today.
Quote from: Gusington on May 31, 2017, 12:29:32 PM
Pug killing machine. Nothing better will be posted on the interwebz today.
That's complete covfefe.
The interwebs never fail to provide....
(https://www.spreadshirt.com/image-server/v1/designs/10378928,width=178,height=178/godless-killing-machine.png)
https://www.spreadshirt.com/yellow+godless+killing+machine+t-shirts-A5725240
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Quote from: Barthheart on May 31, 2017, 01:35:56 PM
The interwebs never fail to provide....
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My worst nightmare, in t-shirt form.
Yep, looks alien!
(See also: MiB1, MiB2. Bonus, the terrifying wall painting memorial hanging over Agent J's bed in MiB3.)
Also, I'm pretty sure the "no dogs barking at a son of Israel" doesn't apply to subsequent Passovers after the first one. Or it's optional. One of those. 8) CONTEXT! :bd:
Laugh if you want to but I had a pug that could kill a room-full with his farts. :buck2:
Watched it last night in Victoria (in a post-alcohol infused conference/excuse to drink). I enjoyed it more than I was expecting to. Definitely not in the top tier but I'd put it in 3rd place in the order of best to worst (I only consider the first two to be worth watching again.)
Quote from: Silent Disapproval Robot on May 31, 2017, 04:45:08 PM
Watched it last night in Victoria (in a post-alcohol infused conference/excuse to drink). I enjoyed it more than I was expecting to. Definitely not in the top tier but I'd put it in 3rd place in the order of best to worst (I only consider the first two to be worth watching again.)
That's kinda what I figured. I'll give it a watch at some point.
#3 after Alien and Aliens is pretty damned good.
Quote from: Gusington on May 31, 2017, 05:32:06 PM
#3 after Alien and Aliens is pretty damned good.
No. It is not.
It's a pretty sharp drop in quality after 1 and 2 though.
For me:
Great films
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1) Aliens
2) Alien
OK films
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3) Alien: Covenant
Meh films
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4) Alien: Resurrection (I liked the first half. The second was terrible)
Bad films
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5) Prometheus
6) Alien 3
^SDR gets it.
Okay. I saw this movie. It was okay. Like always I found myself keeping my mouth tightly shut, as if facehuggers were going to jump on my face... and I only gagged twice... The people I was with think it's funny to see my reaction to such things. What kind of mess up childhood did this person have? I'm also allowed to comment out loud. And the shower scene made me yell out, "Oh, Chet my (blank) hurts and I don't know why" as I curled up into a ball. Well I thought something awful was happening, but no. It was something else. As some of it was so predictable, it was sad. Give humans some credit. We are not all that dumb.
I liked Prometheus and this film too. They really should be one movie back to back, the stories are so linked. SPOILERS AHEAD The biggest disappointment for me was that Scott created this incredibly interesting race-- the Engineers, then just killed them off. Like he just changed his mind about having them in the films at all. :idiot2: Maybe he realized he had created a Super Race made-up of nothing but bald white guys and we can't have THAT in Hollywood today. :hide:
Being a space faring race I don't think wiping out one city wiped them out. We will see more of them.
Pugs are space faring?
Only those that can produce enough internal combustion.
I don't think we're going to be seeing another Ridley Scott directed Alien movie
http://www.indiewire.com/2017/06/alien-covenant-box-office-flop-series-1201837669/
10m less than Power Rangers?? :'(
Quote from: Gusington on June 07, 2017, 05:15:45 PM
10m less than Power Rangers?? :'(
To be fair, that's domestically. It's going to get a decent bump with the China and Japan openings, but I'm not sure it will be enough to ensure the sequels Scott is planning.
It feels like a tired franchise that needs a break for 5-10 years.
Why do you hurt me so? Honestly I can see what the article was describing...the Alien universe just can't compete with 'lighter fluffier' sci-fi. Makes me feel more like an old man now. 'You kids and your stupid Power Ranger crap...in my day aliens had acid for blood.'
But I also thought there was more of a market for 'dark' sci-fi. I guess not.
Quote from: Gusington on June 07, 2017, 05:23:52 PM
Why do you hurt me so? Honestly I can see what the article was describing...the Alien universe just can't compete with 'lighter fluffier' sci-fi. Makes me feel more like an old man now. 'You kids and your stupid Power Ranger crap...in my day aliens had acid for blood.'
But I also thought there was more of a market for 'dark' sci-fi. I guess not.
Lol. I don't think 'lighter sci-fi' meant Power Rangers. I think it meant Guardians of the Galaxy or Star Wars.
I think there is a market for 'dark' sci-fi. It's just not the market that's going to deliver a billion dollar mega-blockbuster.
And honestly, the Aliens universe needs a rest. Then give it to someone like Cameron who can make a really entertaining dark sci-fi flick.
It's too bad the Alien 5 movie Neil Blomkamp pitched got shelved in favor of Scott's movies. Blomkamp's concept had potential.
Well if there are more movies like Rogue One that's pretty good. Or maybe they'll remake Event Horizon :coolsmiley:
I want a sequel to, "They Live". Except Rowdy Roddy's no more. :'( I still got my Alien Sunglasses right where I need them.
We're living in They Live right now.
Knock, knock, Gus.
Go away.
Such a Grumpy Gus.
Thursday is his nap-day. I guess he missed it.
http://www.denofgeek.com/uk/movies/alien/49933/alien-covenant-where-its-box-office-leaves-the-series
Ugh - I must concede defeat, then...once Terminator: Genisys is mentioned, it's game over. Man.
I don't get the hate, I've got to be honest.
It was enjoyable enough for me to put up with going to a very expensive cinema with people who don't understand etiquette.
I understand peoples issues with "the universe" - but it's not fussed me and as a movie, it was very enjoyable.
I don't think it's hate for this movie. It's fatigue with the franchise and this movie just wasn't good enough to overcome that fatigue.
It's mirth. He's just not that into it.
I'm full of hate.
With just enough room for bitterness.
Like a Xenomorph.
I liked it but it should've had more boobs. I'm just saying what everybody's thinking. :wow:
That Alien Queen, she had a set on her.
Well if you've got a million off-spring to feed..... I bet those little buggers hurt when they get big enough to bite your nipples. I'm sorry, can I say 'nipples'?
Dongles?
I don't know that it's franchise fatigue per se -- two movies is hardly enough by itself to create franchise fatigue, considering how out-of-the-spotlight the series has been before then. And Prometheus was barely an Alien franchise movie.
I think the writing styles have had a LOT more to do with blowback; shallow pretentious twaddle (with or without Damon Lindleof) soaking a plot that needs flagrant anti-logic to even move forward (with or without DL). To that you could add, that to non-Christians the recent two movies (with or without DL) must look like highly inept vague evangelizing (because Ridley Scott has been working through an attempt to understand and deal positively with 'religion' in recent decades, but still barely understands what he's trying to talk about), whereas to Judeo-Christians the movies look insultingly cheap to how they/we actually live and believe our faiths (because ditto.)
So while the two recent films look great (mostly), the many levels of dumbassery annoy enough people on enough levels to lead to a significant level of being tired of this crap already.
Regardless of reason for the waning interest, the series needs a rest and a fresh direction.
High school musical?
Hahaha!
Quote from: mirth on June 12, 2017, 12:23:30 PM
Regardless of reason for the waning interest, the series needs a rest and a fresh direction.
Like you, I'd hoped that Alien 5 would have been that fresh direction.
Maybe the under performance of Covenant will nudge Fox back in that direction.
I don't think people are tired of the series but the last two movies failed to do what the first two succeeded in doing. Alien was just plain scary. And Alien 2 was just plain "Wow that's really cool." Alien 2 didn't scare you but it did help fans connect with Ripley as well as offer some nice wow special effects to pair with the action.
Here=Scott tried to get deep with the Engineers. But the layout-paired with the dumb backstory---and the dumb characters- failed to pull it off. Covenant tried to get back to the alien but in the end fans weren't scared and moreso they were disappointed in the shallow aim of bad robot plot that has been done to death. I myself would have liked the cliff-hanger answered about the Engineers- and in so doing they could have taken the place of the alien for something not only different as a threat but also interesting.
As it is the alien now is so un-interesting-being manufactured by a bad Robot- which himself is un-interesting--and Scott has not produced a replacement for Ripley either- then the whole premise of why we even needed an Alien Covenant at all is the final conclusion.
I finally watched this (through a perfectly legitimate and legal source of course) and it was boring. Fassbender was good and his scenes were by far the best in the film. The rest of it was pretty bland and predictable. Even Kenny Powers was wasted.
It was better than Prometheus, but it still relied too heavily on supposedly smart people doing very stupid things.
A big 'meh'.
Quote from: mirth on June 29, 2017, 12:21:08 PM
(through a perfectly legitimate and legal source of course)
::)
You IT guys and your pirate sites...
QuoteA big 'meh'.
I only lasted halfway through the movie...the only thing interesting was the first...let's say death in the movie, otherwise it was pretty bland to that point.
Quote from: BC on June 29, 2017, 01:33:21 PM
I only lasted halfway through the movie...the only thing interesting was the first...let's say death in the movie, otherwise it was pretty bland to that point.
After 40 min to an hour, I jumped around to a few scenes and that was about it. It wasn't worth slogging through the whole thing.
They had a clear money making path by just sending the marines in and wiping alien infestations off planet after planet in each remake
Alien 12 - Lt. Mirth, wet behind the ears, fresh from Bumblephuk Training School, leads his hardass squad of trained, killer space marines down to planet Gopheranus. With cool high-res scenes and high-tech military weaponry - it should be a total cake walk, but never underestimate a Groghead for derailing a thread, or a mission when bewbs are bountiful and within easy reach.
Special guest stars include, a midget, two English blokes and Leroy the goat.
^Box office gold
'Little person' goddammit...how many times do I have to tell you people?
I hear Leroy the goat is starring in the next 'Mummy' film. He was supposed to be in the current one but Cruise was afraid he would steal all his scenes. And head-butt him in the balls. Can't argue with that one.
The goat is taller than Cruise, so at least it has that going for it.
Quote from: mirth on June 29, 2017, 01:55:16 PM
Quote from: BC on June 29, 2017, 01:33:21 PM
I only lasted halfway through the movie...the only thing interesting was the first...let's say death in the movie, otherwise it was pretty bland to that point.
After 40 min to an hour, I jumped around to a few scenes and that was about it. It wasn't worth slogging through the whole thing.
lol - I know it takes all sorts - but I cannot believe how different my experience was with this movie to most of you guys. I thought it was very good and enjoyed the continuation of Prometheus.
Maybe it's expectations. Maybe it's knowing some back story of the Universe or books?
I've taken each film as they come from a story and cinematic experience
I still haven't seen it 😞
Quote from: Gusington on June 30, 2017, 06:56:18 AM
I still haven't seen it 😞
Oh you'll absolutely love it :P
Are you calling me a stupid nancy boy?
Quote from: JudgeDredd on June 30, 2017, 12:58:53 AM
I've taken each film as they come from a story and cinematic experience
Me too. This one felt boring. No real tension or excitement. Aside from Fassbender, I thought the characters were uninteresting. Prometheus had better characters, imo. Even if it was a lesser film because of the sheer stupidity of those characters.
Just want to make sure your insults are accurate.
OK so why will I love it?
Because you love everything Aliens, Francine.
Call me Shirley.
I don't like everything Aliens - I did not like Resurrection!
Well, you should have.
Resurrection was number 3 on my Alien movie list, behind Alien and Aliens. That's less a vote of confidence than it is saying the rest of the movies are shite pretty much. ;D
Yes, Gus, Alien 3 is the bee's knees, I know. I should re-watch it. I tried a month or so ago and got about 30 minutes into it before I had to stop. I tried!
Resurrection was pretty good, and seemed to have fun and not take itself too seriously (that would probably be Whedon's influence, I expect), but that last scene with her doing the wriggly-piggly with the alien/human thing was just...absolutely...stunningly...dumb. And later I found out that that's something Sigorney's been wanting to do for several movies now - have a scene where she's having sex with an Alien. ??? :buck2:
Weaver is still hot. And MUCH hotter now that I know the above.
I really wish Whedon had the experience/pull back them to have written and directed Resurrection
QuoteScreenwriter Joss Whedon was unhappy with the final product. When asked in 2005 how the film differed from the script he had written, Whedon responded:
"It wasn't a question of doing everything differently, although they changed the ending; it was mostly a matter of doing everything wrong. They said the lines...mostly...but they said them all wrong. And they cast it wrong. And they designed it wrong. And they scored it wrong. They did everything wrong that they could possibly do. There's actually a fascinating lesson in filmmaking, because everything that they did reflects back to the script or looks like something from the script, and people assume that, if I hated it, then they'd changed the script...but it wasn't so much that they'd changed the script; it's that they just executed it in such a ghastly fashion as to render it almost unwatchable."
^ +10
Well...I found a better quality upload and checked it out. The older one gave me headaches. I powered through the first half and then the movie really...took off, actually.
Fassbender makes the movie. Utterly. Without him, it's just another horror-in-space flick and an unimpressive one at that. I saw the ending coming a mile away too (their editing tricks don't work on me, dammit). Still...it was a really good ride at the end. Mirth, I recommend you give it another shot, if you can find a high-quality version.
Quote from: BanzaiCat on July 05, 2017, 01:50:52 PM
Mirth, I recommend you give it another shot, if you can find a high-quality version.
It wasn't a quality issue with what I watched (though the quality was poor). And I did skip to the end and watch a fair amount of it. Still thought it was dull.
You're correct about Fassbender though. He is excellent and his performance almost saved it for me. Almost.
Good news for those of you who liked Covenant. Almost 18 minutes of additional footage coming with the blu-ray
http://www.syfy.com/2017-7-4/alien-covenant-ridley-scott-blu-ray
Maybe it'll explain who stole the crew of the Covenant's brains causing them to do so many dumb things. ???
Quote from: mirth on July 05, 2017, 02:01:36 PM
Good news for those of you who liked Covenant. Almost 18 minutes of additional footage coming with the blu-ray
http://www.syfy.com/2017-7-4/alien-covenant-ridley-scott-blu-ray
cool O0
Quote from: mirth on July 05, 2017, 02:01:36 PM
Good news for those of you who liked Covenant. Almost 18 minutes of additional footage coming with the blu-ray
http://www.syfy.com/2017-7-4/alien-covenant-ridley-scott-blu-ray
Not surprising: all that 'promotional' footage wasn't just going to languish around.
Did anyone actually "like" this movie? I finally saw it, and with great disappointment and sadness, I must conclude that it totally sucked.
JD liked it. And I think B_C did too. Not sure if Gus has seen it yet.
I'm with you, it sucked. It was predictable and boring.
Good but not great. I'll take it over another Transformers.
Haven't seen it yet.
It wasn't bad. Fassbender made the movie - without him it would have been utter crap. It was still nowhere near Alien nor Aliens in quality and story. They've had plenty of chances to reach that bar and have f'd it up repeatedly, even though there are a lot of quality scripts that go into the development hell pile every year, and no doubt there are some Alien-related ones that might have been good were it not for typical Hollywood corporate bullshite.
I'd have to say Covenant was around Alien 3 on the scale. Not bad. Not great, but entertaining enough I guess.
I thought it had a lot of wasted potential. It was better edited and put together than Prometheus, but I missed the world building aspect of the previous film. I thought there were some good and tense moments, but the Xeno was a bit of a letdown and felt tacked on and over-amped. I liked Fassbender and the themes of creation and parenthood, but felt they were underdeveloped.
The crew were morons, but then again that's not unique to any Alien film. As much as I love Aliens, the sheer amount of tactical stupidity that results in the Marines being stranded and under siege is every bit as bad as what's in the later films.
It's a mixed bag for me. Not a badly made movie, but not something I'm going to enjoy and watch over and over like the first two films.
Someone say Alien 3?
That sucked too.
I enjoyed it. As you know.
I've heard that once or twice before.
They have lost any semblance of continuity between the first few films and the last two. It no longer makes any sense why there is a derelict Engineer ship on LV426 with alien eggs on board.
SPOILER ALERT
Covenant takes place in 2093, which means David wiped the Engineer civilization out approximately 10 years earlier in 2083. Yet, the original Alien film took place in 2122, 29 years after the events of Covenant. So if David destroyed the Engineers with their own bio-weapons in or about 2083, and then subsequently engineered the Aliens that we are familiar with from the earlier films, how the hell did an ancient engineer ship crash land on LV426 with Alien eggs on board, if their civilization had long ago been terminated before the aliens had even been created? Additionally, the gestation time of the Alien, as well as the growth cycle of the Alien after birth is drastically sped up. The damn thing went from spore to baby alien in what seemed like anything from 15 minutes to an hour and then once born, to full size in minutes.
SPOILER ALERT
Plot loopholes and inconsistencies aside, the technology is nothing like it was in the original film, yet they are separated by less than 30 years. Also, its 2093 and these jackasses are still using AR15s and M4 type rifles with quadrails? I mean. $hit, the military is looking to replace that rifle now, and its only 2017.
Overall, I thought the screenplay and writing was poor, and various reactions of the characters to events totally implausible. I won't get into specifics to avoid further spoilers.
Two thumbs down.
There's supposed to be a third movie to tie in to the start of Alien, so I imagine they'll figure out a ham-fisted way to screw that up when making said movie.
Don't worry, Ridley Scott will fill in all the plot holes from this movie in the next movie. However there will be an entirely new set of plot holes in the next one.
There's so many plot holes they're turning into a super-plot-hole, from which no intelligent dialogue or logical story can escape!
After the box office take of Covenant, Fox stated they were "reevaluating" the Alien franchise. So Scott is going to be lucky if they let him do another picture.
Quote from: SirAndrewD on August 07, 2017, 02:50:51 PM
After the box office take of Covenant, Fox stated they were "reevaluating" the Alien franchise. So Scott is going to be lucky if they let him do another picture.
I heard this...also, the crap that Scott has been putting out has me in a damn near panic over the Blade Runner reboot.
Quote from: BanzaiCat on August 07, 2017, 02:49:57 PM
There's so many plot holes they're turning into a super-plot-hole, from which no intelligent dialogue or logical story can escape!
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Quote from: Jarhead0331 on August 07, 2017, 02:53:29 PM
Quote from: SirAndrewD on August 07, 2017, 02:50:51 PM
After the box office take of Covenant, Fox stated they were "reevaluating" the Alien franchise. So Scott is going to be lucky if they let him do another picture.
I heard this...also, the crap that Scott has been putting out has me in a damn near panic over the Blade Runner reboot.
Don't panic. It's going to suck too.
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on August 07, 2017, 02:53:29 PM
I heard this...also, the crap that Scott has been putting out has me in a damn near panic over the Blade Runner reboot.
Denis Villenueve is directing Blade Runner, so I have a lot of hope that some of Scott's questionable decisions aren't going to seep in. Villenueve seems to be a director in his prime right now.
Quote from: SirAndrewD on August 07, 2017, 02:50:51 PM
After the box office take of Covenant, Fox stated they were "reevaluating" the Alien franchise. So Scott is going to be lucky if they let him do another picture.
I hope they give it to Blomkamp for Alien V while there's still a chance of bringing in Sigourney and Michael Biehn.
Quote from: mirth on August 07, 2017, 02:56:55 PM
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on August 07, 2017, 02:53:29 PM
Quote from: SirAndrewD on August 07, 2017, 02:50:51 PM
After the box office take of Covenant, Fox stated they were "reevaluating" the Alien franchise. So Scott is going to be lucky if they let him do another picture.
I heard this...also, the crap that Scott has been putting out has me in a damn near panic over the Blade Runner reboot.
Don't panic. It's going to suck too.
I saw the preview for the new Blade Runner when I watched Dunkirk. I was disappointed by what I saw. To me, it really gave off a "we're the 99%! Fight the corporations!" vibe with a bunch of dusty ghetto scenes that reminded me of Bloemkamp's films.
Re the Engineers: just because their homeworld got wiped, doesn't mean the spacefaring race was wiped out. Any number could remain. A colony loses track of the homeworld, a ship comes to check things out, humans and a jockey team up (grudgingly) to try to get back to the LV system weapon planet to figure out how to cleanly stop the Xenos, a Queen gets on board, badda bing. Ship crashes on the planet in the system from the first movie, humans eject safely for the happy ending, jockey sadly dies, Queen is axed in any of several ways and the Nostromo crew just never run across her body (if it's even still on the ship). New jockeys, being 2000+ years older than the ones at the weapons-depot, happen to be properly larger than their shorter forebears.
It could be done. I have no confidence that Scott (and his writing stable) would do it competently, although it might still look good. (His films have been dreadfully yet also overconveniently plotted for years now, unfortunately, so this isn't new.)
Quote from: JasonPratt on August 07, 2017, 08:03:57 PM
Re the Engineers: just because their homeworld got wiped, doesn't mean the spacefaring race was wiped out. Any number could remain. A colony loses track of the homeworld, a ship comes to check things out, humans and a jockey team up (grudgingly) to try to get back to the LV system weapon planet to figure out how to cleanly stop the Xenos, a Queen gets on board, badda bing. Ship crashes on the planet in the system from the first movie, humans eject safely for the happy ending, jockey sadly dies, Queen is axed in any of several ways and the Nostromo crew just never run across her body (if it's even still on the ship). New jockeys, being 2000+ years older than the ones at the weapons-depot, happen to be properly larger than their shorter forebears.
It could be done. I have no confidence that Scott (and his writing stable) would do it competently, although it might still look good. (His films have been dreadfully yet also overconveniently plotted for years now, unfortunately, so this isn't new.)
If they didn't so badly nerf the story in Covenant, they wouldn't have to bother coming up with the above illogical cockamamey story to explain an obvious plot loophole.
Hey, they could hire Pratt to write the script! He'd give it a good go.
Quote from: BanzaiCat on August 07, 2017, 08:19:24 PM
Hey, they could hire Pratt to write the script! He'd give it a good go.
You're right! Gnostic Batman is just what the Aliens Franchise needs!
Time to go back to Alien vs Predator I say. If we're gonna screw the franchise, why not screw it with gusto? :clap:
Quote from: Sir Slash on August 07, 2017, 09:49:17 PM
Time to go back to Alien vs Predator I say. If we're gonna screw the franchise, why not screw it with gusto? :clap:
It's a two-for-one bargain. Cause destroying one beloved franchise just isn't enough.
Sometimes it seems to me, the more people try to explain how things came to be, the more unlikely the explanation becomes. I find myself caring much less about the 'Aliens' series the more they explain where they came from and how they got to be the way they are. I just like the plain old fact they kill everything. No further explanation needed.
BTW The corporation that spent so much time trying to get their hands on this perfect killing machine, pretty much already has some damned good ones in those cyborgs that don't seem to have a problem doing it. Scorecard: Aliens vs Cyborgs, who's ahead?
Everyone has forgotten what made the original Alien film click so well with audiences - fear of the unknown. Not knowing what it was, or where it was, or the things it was capable of...trying to explain all that has ruined the franchise.
Aliens kind of toed that line, but never crossed it. They even removed the parts of the theatrical release that showed the colony and colonists going about their merry way before the Jordans brought the first baby Alien back into their complex. Unwillingly, of course. :)
There's a book called Alien: River of Pain that goes into greater detail than the Dark Horse comic 'Newt's Tale' did, in explaining what happened to the colony between the time the Jordans went to explore the craft and the hell they all went through in the resulting chaos. I don't mind that kind of exposition, but trying to give me the entire history of the Xenomorph, Michael Fassbender or no, kind of ruined everything. Among other things ruining things.
Agreed. Being a product of a mad cyborg kind of takes away from them somehow. Maybe somewhere down the line there'll be a scene where aliens are praying in front of a temple to their Cyborg God. :idiot2:
They prefer to be called Artificial Persons.
Quote from: Staggerwing on August 07, 2017, 09:00:33 PM
Quote from: BanzaiCat on August 07, 2017, 08:19:24 PM
Hey, they could hire Pratt to write the script! He'd give it a good go.
You're right! Gnostic Batman is just what the Aliens Franchise needs!
Orthodox Batman rather. ::) Someone with actual Christianity might be worth hiring on a movie series that recently keeps shoving in Christian themes as window dressing for a shallow illusion of depth.
Though I probably wouldn't bother milking that well any further. Some things can work well with the Alien franchise, but the monastery in space is about as far as I'd care to add Christianity for. And that's been done (not very well) already. I'm much more likely to play with the Xenos being secretly the Tyrannids.
Besides, my perfectly valid albeit strained explanation for synching back up to Alien79, has already been described as illogical cockamamey and my feelings are hurt. :crazy2:
Its all moot PJ <:-), alien genealogy/ontology all goes back to Godzilla
Quote from: Windigo on August 08, 2017, 03:55:12 PM
Its all moot PJ <:-), alien genealogy/ontology all goes back to Godzilla
PJ?
reversed JP.... I saw the ops and said... to hell with it. ^-^
ops?
Duck hat
I still think Jason's nick should be PJ
Quote from: JasonPratt on August 08, 2017, 03:28:45 PM
Besides, my perfectly valid albeit strained explanation for synching back up to Alien79, has already been described as illogical cockamamey and my feelings are hurt. :crazy2:
Oh, don't be bothered by that...I just had to jump on the opportunity to use the word "cockamamey".
I thought it was donglemamey
Do the Aliens have dongles? Have we ever seen one?
Ridley Scott's next movie is going to be Alien: Dongle.
Auntie Dongle?
Quote from: mirth on August 08, 2017, 06:49:40 PM
Ridley Scott's next movie is going to be Alien: Dongle.
In space, there are no refunds.
Paul Feig will direct the next Alien movie.
Quote from: BanzaiCat on August 09, 2017, 06:46:44 AM
Paul Feig will direct the next Alien movie.
A FILM OF CONCEPTUAL HORRRRROORRRRRR!!
...and lots of ad-libbing.
...because women talk a lot more than men. I guess.
Quote from: Sir Slash on August 08, 2017, 06:44:55 PM
Do the Aliens have dongles? Have we ever seen one?
I think the Aliens are supposed to
be dongles.
Quote from: Windigo on August 08, 2017, 05:21:55 PM
I still think Jason's nick should be PJ
It's better than jerp! Alas.
In case y'all missed this over in the Honest Trailers thread: ;D
Finally just watched it. Basically it's theme is similar to the Terminator movies...never trust a synth. That said, I can see what you guys were saying above...this whole part of the story line would never happen if the expedition would simply HAVE PUT ON SOME GODDAMNED HELMETS. Once I got over that, I could not help but enjoy it. Someone else above said that Fassbender was the highlight and I definitely agree. Also - if this were not part of the Alien franchise it probably would be viewed better by us, failed logic and all. I also watched it while drinking and that helped considerably.