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Title: The Orville
Post by: mirth on May 16, 2017, 11:47:33 AM
This actually looks fun

Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: Gusington on May 16, 2017, 11:58:14 AM
Almost everything MacFarlane does is hilarious.
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: mirth on May 16, 2017, 11:58:50 AM
^agreed
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: Steelgrave on May 16, 2017, 01:23:43 PM
You're right, it does look like fun. Reminds me of some other sci/fi series but I can't quite put my finger on it. 

Is this a movie or series?
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: mirth on May 16, 2017, 01:29:03 PM
Series. Fox ordered 13 episodes for the 2017-2018 season.
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: Steelgrave on May 16, 2017, 01:36:20 PM
Sweet. Already it's better than Voyager  :hide:  I'll def have to catch it. Nice find!
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: DoctorQuest on May 16, 2017, 01:37:06 PM
Adrianne Palicki is a great choice for the female lead.

This could be really good.
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: Steelgrave on May 16, 2017, 01:39:13 PM
Directors include Jonathan Frakes, Brannon Bragda and Robert Duncan McNeil .  Maybe a few Star Trek tie ins there, eh?
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: bbmike on May 16, 2017, 04:59:07 PM
Meh. Same old tired, lowbrow humor. If that clip represents the best scenes then it's a miss for me.
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: mirth on May 16, 2017, 05:10:33 PM
Well, you still have Star Trek: Discovery to look forward to.
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: besilarius on May 16, 2017, 05:23:21 PM
Sounds a bit like a Quark reboot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTo3BLuIQ-4
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: bbmike on May 16, 2017, 05:33:19 PM
Quote from: mirth on May 16, 2017, 05:10:33 PM
Well, you still have Star Trek: Discovery to look forward to.

Now THAT should be funny!
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: bbmike on May 16, 2017, 05:33:40 PM
Quote from: besilarius on May 16, 2017, 05:23:21 PM
Sounds a bit like a Quark reboot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTo3BLuIQ-4

First thing I thought of.
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: Steelgrave on May 16, 2017, 06:48:56 PM
Wet blankets, ya'll. I'm looking forward to it.
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: mirth on July 23, 2017, 04:49:18 PM
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: bbmike on July 23, 2017, 05:39:50 PM
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Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: mirth on July 23, 2017, 05:43:28 PM
Yeah, yeah. Mikey hates everything.


Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: bbmike on July 23, 2017, 05:47:30 PM
Not everything, but this looks horrible (for me anyway).
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: mirth on July 23, 2017, 05:50:21 PM
I bet it will be better than Discovery.
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: bbmike on July 23, 2017, 05:58:54 PM
I bet you're right.
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: JasonPratt on July 24, 2017, 06:07:45 AM
Quote from: Steelgrave on May 16, 2017, 01:23:43 PM
You're right, it does look like fun. Reminds me of some other sci/fi series but I can't quite put my finger on it. 

Something Quest? I feel confident that's close.  :coolsmiley:
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: Staggerwing on July 24, 2017, 06:13:35 AM
Quark, With Richard Benjamin in the Captain role.
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: mirth on July 24, 2017, 07:15:05 AM
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: bbmike on July 24, 2017, 07:55:06 AM
I bet that Quark will be better than The Orville.
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: mirth on July 24, 2017, 07:57:05 AM
Quote from: bbmike on July 24, 2017, 07:55:06 AM
I bet that Quark will be better than The Orville.

I doubt that
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: OJsDad on September 10, 2017, 09:03:21 PM
Watched most of the first episode.  It was ok.  Not really all that funny nor very sci-fi.  Don't think it'll make it 1 season, unless it's cheap to produce and Fox doesn't have anything else to waste money on. 
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: WallysWorld on September 10, 2017, 11:07:03 PM
I watched it just for the reason that MacFarlane is a big Star Trek fan and you can certainly see the references to Trek in the show.

Not bad. Enough to get me to watch the next episode.

Early ratings on IMDB give the show 7.5/10.
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: MetalDog on September 10, 2017, 11:41:25 PM
I missed the first 20 minutes.  Wasn't super impressed but I definitely got the vibe they were trying hard to emulate.
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: WallysWorld on September 12, 2017, 10:03:14 PM
Seems like the show has gotten off to a decent start ratings wise:

"As it currently stands, "The Orville" averaged a 2.3 rating in adults 18-49 and 7.3 million total viewers, airing at 8 p.m. That means it is currently the second-biggest broadcast drama premiere in the key demo since NBC's "This Is Us" last September (2.8), excluding Super Bowl lead-ins. In addition, the show was the most social scripted program on broadcast Sunday based on total Twitter interactions."

Variety TV ratings/ (http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/the-orville-premiere-ratings-sunday-night-football-1202556058/)
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: bbmike on September 13, 2017, 05:34:01 AM
I'm sticking with Quark.
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: mirth on September 13, 2017, 07:01:18 AM
Quote from: bbmike on September 13, 2017, 05:34:01 AM
I'm sticking with Quark.

You just want his gold-pressed latinum.
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: bbmike on September 13, 2017, 07:35:03 AM
Quote from: mirth on September 13, 2017, 07:01:18 AM
Quote from: bbmike on September 13, 2017, 05:34:01 AM
I'm sticking with Quark.

You just want his gold-pressed latinum.

And Dabo girls.  ^-^
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: mirth on September 13, 2017, 07:52:01 AM
It's a good thing I don't live on DS9. I'd never leave Quark's.
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: mirth on September 16, 2017, 08:57:54 PM
The first episode was meh, but I'm willing to give it a chance.
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: Sir Slash on September 17, 2017, 10:41:45 PM
Not quite as much fun as watching Roller Derby. But close.  L:-)
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: Tuna on September 18, 2017, 05:41:55 AM
Did this get better? I watched Vietnam instead last night.
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: MetalDog on September 18, 2017, 05:53:43 AM
I've watched most of both episodes and I am super unimpressed.  It's not funny, and its homage to Star Trek, while neat to look at, I have the real thing if I am feeling nostalgic.
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: WallysWorld on September 18, 2017, 09:32:41 AM
I thought the second episode was good. Better than the premiere. Enough to keep me watching for now.
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: WallysWorld on September 18, 2017, 09:33:37 AM
Quote from: Tuna on September 18, 2017, 05:41:55 AM
Did this get better? I watched Vietnam instead last night.
PBS' "The Vietnam War" was very good last night. The only other Vietnam documentary that I consider just as good is "The Ten Thousand Day War".
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: mirth on September 18, 2017, 09:36:16 AM
I'll watch episode 2 tonight.
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: JasonPratt on September 18, 2017, 11:21:17 AM
Watched Ep 1 last week; aside from the continuous toilet humor, I was pretty impressed with the level of loving homage satire. Enough so that I was annoyed the NFL game delayed last night's ep being recorded. Dad liked it, too. We'll probably watch the whole thing on Blu or Prime or Netflix someday.

Haven't caught the new Vietnam series, which I was a little amazed Dad was recording since he didn't want to watch The Ten Thousand Day War (itself more skewed as an apologetic for the NVA/VC than the book, although otherwise pretty accurate as an account).
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: GDS_Starfury on September 18, 2017, 12:48:47 PM
I expect it will take at least half a season to find itself properly.
go back and watch the first season of TNG for a truly painful experience.
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: mirth on September 18, 2017, 01:06:58 PM
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on September 18, 2017, 12:48:47 PM
I expect it will take at least half a season to find itself properly.
go back and watch the first season of TNG for a truly painful experience.

That's what I was thinking too.
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: JasonPratt on September 18, 2017, 02:21:21 PM
Aside from cribbing character and aesthetic design heavily from TNG (and poking fun at it, including what sounds a lot like Brent Spiner playing the android, although I didn't notice him in the credits), I would say the first ep solidly beat either half of "Encounter At Farpoint".


To clarify, TNG's opening two-parter definitely created an iconic look, and its plotline (either half) was more ambitious. But the story in the Orville pilot meant more, personally, to several characters involved. Also, it looked sharp as hell -- Dad and I both commented favorably on the production design several times. "Shield", owned and funded by ABC/Disney, looks mostly rat-assy by comparison, even after what is it, five seasons now? At least four seasons. (I mention this comparison via Adrienne Palicki, who was adorable on Shield, and starting off well here.)
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: mirth on September 18, 2017, 02:27:59 PM
3 of the first 5 episodes were directed by Star Trek alum

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Orville#Episodes
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: MetalDog on September 19, 2017, 06:10:29 AM
With a little bit of searching, I see that the part of the robot, Isaac, is voiced by Mark Jackson.  I'd eat my hat if I didn't think it was Brent Spiner, too.
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: JasonPratt on September 19, 2017, 09:49:02 AM
I saw him credited as Isaac in the opening credits of Ep 2, but wasn't sure he was meant to be the voice, with Spiner being uncredited for the fun of it.

Still, a couple of times in Sunday's ep I thought I heard his impression slip, which edged it back away from Spiner for me. Glad to hear someone was less lazy than me and researched it!  O0


I was also happy when Dad discovered that the DVR software knew to keep recording to get the whole ep, so we watched it last night. Aside from the low humor I'm still very much okay with it, although I have a suspicion that the network has shown the episode out of plot order, since the script acts like we're supposed to know the Worf-guy's husband or lover or whatever already. It's also possible that Fox decided to nix the ep from broadcast, I suppose.

(On that topic, if someone is laying an egg they aren't "male", and if someone is seeding the egg they aren't "female". So it's only a monogendered species by the terms of dumb PCness today.  ::) They could have fixed this by making the species transgender, like some amphibians, or maybe heteroaphroditic like worms -- and still be PC, woo! Regardless, the actor is hilarious, and kind of comic genius.)
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: WallysWorld on September 20, 2017, 10:03:14 AM
6.63 million viewers for episode 2. Down from 8.56 million from the premiere, but still pretty solid considering its wonky start time after the football game.

The series moves to Thursday nights starting tomorrow. I'll continue to watch for now as I have a strange feeling this show might be better than Star Trek: Discovery.
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: JasonPratt on September 21, 2017, 12:03:53 PM
Forgot to mention that I appreciated the general plot homage to "The Menagerie / The Cage". Different but similar thematics; that's how to do an homage.
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: BanzaiCat on September 21, 2017, 03:45:36 PM
I can't quite tell if this series is trying to be serious with comedy overtones, or a comedy with serious overtones.

Regardless it did make me LOL a couple of times.
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: mirth on September 21, 2017, 03:48:42 PM
Quote from: JasonPratt on September 21, 2017, 12:03:53 PM
Forgot to mention that I appreciated the general plot homage to "The Menagerie / The Cage". Different but similar thematics; that's how to do an homage.

They did handle it nicely. The homage to Trek in general is well done. The writing needs to be tighter and the cast needs to gel, but it has potential.
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: JasonPratt on September 21, 2017, 03:51:18 PM
There's real heart, and thus some meat, to the eps so far. Gets lost in the Sethistic dialogue, but I realize that's supposed to be a feature not a bug.  ::)
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: mirth on September 21, 2017, 03:58:01 PM
Quote from: JasonPratt on September 21, 2017, 03:51:18 PM
Gets lost in the Sethistic dialogue, but I realize that's supposed to be a feature not a bug.  ::)

I like him and the style, but I get how some people don't care for him/it.
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: bbmike on September 21, 2017, 04:45:04 PM
I'm really trying to talk myself into watching this but I know I won't be able to take the lowbrow humor.
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: OJsDad on September 21, 2017, 04:48:44 PM
And yet, you hang out here with us. 
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: JasonPratt on September 21, 2017, 04:51:40 PM
Heck, I just found out that the "Reds!" thread isn't about the threat of communist aggression, or gaming thereof, at all!
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: mirth on September 21, 2017, 04:55:03 PM
Quote from: JasonPratt on September 21, 2017, 04:51:40 PM
Heck, I just found out that the "Reds!" thread isn't about the threat of communist aggression, or gaming thereof, at all!

Ha!  O0
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: mirth on September 21, 2017, 04:59:42 PM
Quote from: bbmike on September 21, 2017, 04:45:04 PM
I'm really trying to talk myself into watching this but I know I won't be able to take the lowbrow humor.

The humor is fairly low key, at least in the first couple eps. It's not the dominant element. The show plays like TNG with some jokes sprinkled in.
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: bbmike on September 21, 2017, 05:20:45 PM
Quote from: OJsDad on September 21, 2017, 04:48:44 PM
And yet, you hang out here with us.

Some of the humor here may be crude but there is definitely intelligence behind it.  8)
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: mirth on September 21, 2017, 05:27:45 PM
From a man who understands the value of intelligence 👍
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: bbmike on September 21, 2017, 05:52:45 PM
^ See what I mean!
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: GDS_Starfury on September 22, 2017, 01:35:13 PM
the 3rd episode is a hell of a lot stronger then the first two.  I really liked that it didn't end on a happy note.
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: mirth on September 22, 2017, 01:37:51 PM
^cool. I'll check it out tonight.
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: JasonPratt on September 22, 2017, 02:51:46 PM
Haven't been able to watch Ep 3 yet. Is there any evidence that the executives skipped an episode? -- or that this is ep 2? I remain curious from a writing, and series-history, perspective. (e.g. I know that executives flipped the broadcast order of the 2nd and 3rd eps of Burn Notice, which was retained by the eventual disc release. The differences the order makes to story progression in this case are pretty small, but still interesting to me. Possibly due to mild OD-C. ;) )

Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: mirth on September 22, 2017, 02:56:46 PM
Quote from: JasonPratt on September 22, 2017, 02:51:46 PM
Is there any evidence that the executives skipped an episode? -- or that this is ep 2?

Not that I'm aware of. AFAIK, they're being aired in order. After the Firefly debacle, I think FOX knows better than to screw with a sci-fi show like that.
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: WallysWorld on September 22, 2017, 05:06:00 PM
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on September 22, 2017, 01:35:13 PM
the 3rd episode is a hell of a lot stronger then the first two.  I really liked that it didn't end on a happy note.
I agree. I am also surprised at how it ended considering that the subject matter is somewhat a hot topic in today's society.
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: bbmike on September 22, 2017, 06:35:20 PM
Ok, just watched the first episode. It was...not good. Basically, Seth Macfarlane really likes Star Trek and really wanted to do a Star Trek show. So he sold this to the network as a new comedy. Trouble is it's not really a comedy. And not a good science fiction show. And for those reasons, I'm out.
And yes, the first episode of Quark was better. Way better.  ::)
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: Barthheart on September 22, 2017, 06:38:20 PM
Ya gotta give a few episodes to get its legs.... loot at the first few TNG......
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: mirth on September 22, 2017, 06:45:26 PM
Quote from: bbmike on September 22, 2017, 06:35:20 PM
Ok, just watched the first episode. It was...not good. Basically, Seth Macfarlane really likes Star Trek and really wanted to do a Star Trek show. So he sold this to the network as a new comedy. Trouble is it's not really a comedy. And not a good science fiction show. And for those reasons, I'm out.
And yes, the first episode of Quark was better. Way better.  ::)

You probably think Galactica 1980 was better than the reboot.
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: Barthheart on September 22, 2017, 06:49:44 PM
Quote from: mirth on September 22, 2017, 06:45:26 PM
Quote from: bbmike on September 22, 2017, 06:35:20 PM
Ok, just watched the first episode. It was...not good. Basically, Seth Macfarlane really likes Star Trek and really wanted to do a Star Trek show. So he sold this to the network as a new comedy. Trouble is it's not really a comedy. And not a good science fiction show. And for those reasons, I'm out.
And yes, the first episode of Quark was better. Way better.  ::)

You probably think Galactica 1980 was better than the reboot.
It was... what's yer point?
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: bbmike on September 22, 2017, 06:52:25 PM
Galactica 1980  :2funny:
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: mirth on September 22, 2017, 06:56:28 PM
With Wolfman Jack!
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: JasonPratt on September 22, 2017, 07:17:09 PM
Okay, watched the third episode a few minutes ago. If there's no missing ep, then I think I admire the writers just throwing viewers into the water in ep 2 without having established Bortus' mate as a character yet.

And I mostly admired the plot and thematic complexities of ep 3, regardless of how much I agree or disagree with any part of any side.

Mostly.











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The plot sets up a pretty obvious and huge revelation about the society, but it's so obvious and huge that the plot has to skirt away from it to keep the main plot running since it would be totally unfeasible for this to be a secret: the species isn't monogendered after all, but is made up of males and females as usual. The males just make sure all the females are cosmetically altered to appear to be male, with perhaps some hormone adjustment. Otherwise, none of them could lay eggs -- that requires a vagina (or anyway it wasn't established otherwise in the show), and in fact Bortus' mate has one. (I don't recall which of them was supposed to lay the egg, but it would make coherent plot sense for the mate.)

But this not only couldn't be a feasible secret, it couldn't be a practical secret either. Yet the story nods toward it by revealing there are more females being born than the official claims acknowledge. I seriously thought the plot was about to reveal this when the captain ordered the planetary scan for females, and I still don't recall seeing how the plot segued to this. The actual reveal sort of worked, but as a practical matter still didn't (how did someone get to be so famous an author when her family intentionally sequestered themselves from a society that rejected them?)

This might count as a story trope called a Broken Aesop. But I still admire the basic attempt to take a Trekkian social debate stab.















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Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: BanzaiCat on September 22, 2017, 09:16:53 PM
I just watched the third episode too, and I gotta say I'm more than a little blown away. I mentioned before being confused as to whether this was a serious show trying to be funny, or a funny show trying to be serious. The episode ended completely the opposite of how I expected it to, and I appreciate that greatly. If they keep this up, this show is going to be one of my favorites in short order.
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: Staggerwing on September 22, 2017, 09:25:41 PM
True. Considering all the kumbaya ST:TNG homage still floating around you have to give the writers some credit for ending ep3 the way that they did.
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: GDS_Starfury on September 22, 2017, 10:35:21 PM
Jason Ive come to the conclusion that you could analyze a blow job into half star yelp review.

"a bit of teeth and not enough throat, kind of dry and no ball fondling.  .5 star and not worth the $20."
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: Michael Dorosh on September 23, 2017, 12:04:53 AM
Given a choice between a hyper-diverse and politically correct Star Trek with overblown effects and production values, and a competent homage to TOS with likeable characters and realistic dialogue (all that 'toilet humor' is how people actually talk) I'll take the Orville all day long.

I think MacFarlane is relishing the ability to put words into the mouths of characters in situations that the more stiff and formal ST series never could. Asking the guy on the viewscreen to move two feet over to get centred in the frame, or the helmsman and navigator discussing how a dog in the background of the viewscreen spent the entire time "licking his balls." I'm not generally one for this kind of humour, but I think it is much less jarring in this series than some critics and commentators are suggesting. You always kind of wondered what Kirk or Picard et al would do/say in undignified circumstances and here you get to see the characters realistically doing it. It might get a little more jarring if this level of candor remains throughout the season, but they've already established some strong characters and hopefully we'll see some interesting arcs.
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: JasonPratt on September 23, 2017, 08:04:03 AM
People naturally talk toilet humor, I know -- even I do occasionally. ;) Aside from my threshold for it being lower than most people, however, I don't like it when the writing breaks the scene for it. Or when the writing breaks the scene for non-toilet humor either -- when the captain and first officer are trying to have a proper discussion at the end of the ep (I don't remember everyone's names yet, I have a lot of trouble with that, nothing against the show there), and the guy squeaking the window interrupts them, that's fine. When it continues, then the humor is getting in the way of the scene. (Which of course is the point to that type of humor.)
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: mirth on September 23, 2017, 03:42:21 PM
Episode 3 was solid.
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: bbmike on September 23, 2017, 03:44:45 PM
Would I miss anything if I skipped 2 and watched 3?
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: mirth on September 23, 2017, 03:49:30 PM
No, not at all.
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: bbmike on September 23, 2017, 03:57:30 PM
Ok, I might try one more time since you guys are gushing over episode 3. But I only have so much eye rolling left in me and Discovery comes on tomorrow night.
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: bbmike on September 23, 2017, 05:52:49 PM
So, the third episode was actually fair. It didn't have nearly as many attempts at humor as the first one. I still feel like this show wants to be serious but a comedy was pitched to the network. The modern day "toilet humor" does not fit this setting. I'm not sure how this show will survive if it continues like this.
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: mirth on September 23, 2017, 06:14:02 PM
The humorous elements do not really bother me. It's a small part of the show and it isn't toilet humor at all by modern standards (meaning shows like South Park, Family Guy and Archer).

The first three episodes haven't been great, but they've been better than the early episodes of nearly every Trek series. Consider the first three episodes of The Next Generation: "Encounter at Farpoint", "The Naked Now", "Code of Honor". Those are three of the worst episodes in the history of Star Trek. Absolute garbage. It's amazing that TNG survived past its first season.

Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: bbmike on September 23, 2017, 07:28:04 PM
^Eh, looking back the first season of TNG looks bad. At the time, not so much.
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: mirth on September 23, 2017, 07:47:06 PM
Those early episodes were crap back then too. There were only a couple of good episodes in that first season. The rest were meh to terrible.

The first episode of TNG that really impressed me was 'Matter of Honor' in season 2.
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: bbmike on September 23, 2017, 07:52:09 PM
You're just upset that there was no Horta Ensign on board.
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: mirth on September 23, 2017, 07:56:11 PM
No need with Wesley Crusher aboard to save the ship every other episode.
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: bbmike on September 23, 2017, 07:56:55 PM
True, even I would have preferred a Horta.
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: mirth on September 23, 2017, 08:00:09 PM
lol
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: BanzaiCat on September 23, 2017, 08:10:37 PM
It's funny, while I'm perfectly fine with toilet humor, I agree it's out of place, here. There were a couple of jokes in Ep 3 that seemed forced and were a little jarring considering the storyline...just shows me how wrapped up in that story I was.
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: mirth on September 24, 2017, 10:35:58 AM
This is an interesting break down of the various Treks that I generally agree with.

https://tv.avclub.com/beam-me-up-a-beginner-s-guide-to-the-star-trek-franchi-1798271640
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: bbmike on September 24, 2017, 02:16:36 PM
I'll have to read that tomorrow. Right now I'm practicing eye rolling for the premier of Star Trek Discovery.
The main title sequence has already been released. Yes, I've already rolled my eyes at it.

Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: mirth on September 24, 2017, 02:21:35 PM
Suddenly I miss the song from Enterprise.
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: bbmike on September 24, 2017, 02:30:06 PM
The Orville's theme song is better.
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: mirth on September 24, 2017, 02:31:48 PM
^ +1
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: BanzaiCat on September 24, 2017, 06:49:42 PM
I swear, you guys will bitch about anything.  ::)

That theme song is about a thousand times better than the Enterprise theme song.

Listening to diarrhea noises for an hour is better than listening to the Enterprise theme song.

The Orville's theme isn't bad, it's just...very average.
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: mirth on September 24, 2017, 06:51:44 PM
Quote from: BanzaiCat on September 24, 2017, 06:49:42 PM
I swear, you guys will bitch about anything.  ::)


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Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: BanzaiCat on September 25, 2017, 05:43:48 AM
I'm just finding the ST hatred amusing.

I haven't watched it yet, though I have it queued up for later viewing. Who knows, I might be joining all y'all on that merry bandwagon soon.
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: Sir Slash on September 29, 2017, 11:00:54 AM
OK. The episode last night was a little better or else I'm just desperate for anything spaceships in it, but still silly at times and not very funny. I really thought there would be more Lib Preaching and less action in this one. I might be back for a third.
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: JasonPratt on September 29, 2017, 03:26:19 PM
Edited to add: uh, sorry, what was this thread about again?  :-[
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: BanzaiCat on September 29, 2017, 05:08:40 PM
Quote from: JasonPratt on September 29, 2017, 03:26:19 PM
Edited to add: uh, sorry, what was this thread about again?  :-[

Batman. It's always about Batman.
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: GDS_Starfury on September 29, 2017, 06:45:18 PM
the surprise cameo was good and next week has the worlds hottest woman!
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: Sir Slash on September 29, 2017, 09:50:46 PM
Barbie Benton? Or is it Steelie's cousin?
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: bayonetbrant on September 30, 2017, 06:05:52 AM
seen elsewhere online

QuoteI have figured it out!

'The Orville' is a perfect depiction of a Star Trek *roleplaying* campaign.

The GM is a huge SF and Star Trek fan, so he's trying to run complex, serious adventures rich with references to the full history of Star Trek and based around the moral dilemmas of classic science fiction.

But when it gets to the table, the *players* have other priorities. Even though they're big SF and Trek fans themselves (and enjoy playing the game), they -- like *all* RPG players -- can't help but drop in a constant stream of sarcasm and genre-subverting contemporary cultural references (which are damn funny, but clash with the GM's campaign style).

Seth, if you're listening, end the series finale with a pull-back to a bunch of folks sitting around a table rolling dice.
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: Sir Slash on September 30, 2017, 10:42:23 AM
Or maybe a Holo-Deck program from "The Next Generation".   ;D
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: WallysWorld on September 30, 2017, 10:56:05 AM
I thought the episode was pretty good. Isaac innocently questioning the captain on his manhood was the funniest part.

Definitely elements of the original series' "For the World Is Hollow and I Have Touched the Sky" and some from the 1973 series "The Starlost" in the episode.
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: JasonPratt on September 30, 2017, 11:28:59 AM
Orville as RPG is now my headcanon.  :smitten: :notworthy:
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: GDS_Starfury on September 30, 2017, 03:44:12 PM
Quote from: bbmike on September 24, 2017, 02:16:36 PM
I'll have to read that tomorrow. Right now I'm practicing eye rolling for the premier of Star Trek Discovery.
The main title sequence has already been released. Yes, I've already rolled my eyes at it.



as a person who looks at old and new concept art for lots of shows, movies and games I think its a great opening sequence.
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: bbmike on September 30, 2017, 03:57:40 PM
^Hmm, I suppose if you look at it as anything other than Star Trek it might be a passable opening sequence. For a Star Trek opening sequence? I'll still roll my eyes.  ::)
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: GDS_Starfury on September 30, 2017, 04:05:32 PM
some design math:

https://www.goldennumber.net/uss-enterprise-golden-ratio-design/

theres an article for the D-7 thats a whole lot better.
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: Staggerwing on September 30, 2017, 04:08:01 PM
The STD title sequence seems a mashup of those from TOS, The Expanse, and the visual themes from several Bond film intros.
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: GDS_Starfury on September 30, 2017, 04:09:35 PM
ah heres the fucker!

https://designbygeometry.wordpress.com/2011/09/29/klingon-d7-class-battlecruiser/

if anything the opening is something of a homage to Matt Jefferies and Ralph Mcquarrie.
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: bbmike on September 30, 2017, 04:57:30 PM
^That's really cool.
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: mirth on October 01, 2017, 06:51:59 AM
This show is playing too much like a straight TOS/TNG knockoff with a few lame one liners. Episode 4 was okay, but it was middling sci-fi that's been done before.

It's a toss up over which I like less - Orville or STD.
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: Staggerwing on October 01, 2017, 06:57:47 AM
They could use a few pointers from shows like Eureka.
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: mirth on October 01, 2017, 07:00:58 AM
I'm not sure why it's such a miss. The pieces are there and McFarlane is pretty smart guy when it comes to TV. I guess he's just too much of an ST fanboy.
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: JasonPratt on October 03, 2017, 03:29:10 PM
I'm willing to allow that the basic concept of the new title sequence is kind of growing on me.
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: MetalDog on October 04, 2017, 03:19:29 PM
Quote from: mirth on October 01, 2017, 07:00:58 AM
I'm not sure why it's such a miss. The pieces are there and McFarlane is pretty smart guy when it comes to TV. I guess he's just too much of an ST fanboy.


That's such an astute and original observation.  Wish I had said it first.


Quote from: MetalDog on September 18, 2017, 05:53:43 AM
I've watched most of both episodes and I am super unimpressed.  It's not funny, and its homage to Star Trek, while neat to look at, I have the real thing if I am feeling nostalgic.
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: OJsDad on October 04, 2017, 03:34:21 PM
Quote from: mirth on October 01, 2017, 07:00:58 AM
I'm not sure why it's such a miss. The pieces are there and McFarlane is pretty smart guy when it comes to TV. I guess he's just too much of an ST fanboy.

Too bad he isn't a DS9 fanboy.
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: mirth on October 07, 2017, 04:48:29 PM
Episode 5 felt like a step back. It was full of sci-fi and dramatic cliches. Once again, it felt like a warmed over episode of TNG. The jokes are awful and should be dumped entirely. I wouldn't mind a humorous element if it were actually funny. And what a colossal waste of Charlize Theron and Jonathan Frakes (director for the episode).

With STD picking up steam, I doubt Orville can last more than a season unless it improves greatly and quickly.
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: Barthheart on October 07, 2017, 04:54:39 PM
Finally binge caught up on this. I'm enjoying it enough to keep watching.
The humour is typical Seth stuff, like A Million ways to Die in the west.
I just see it a being average joes on a starship. You just know there had to be such ships even in the ST universe. Not the cream of the crop....
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: mirth on October 07, 2017, 05:06:58 PM
Quote from: Barthheart on October 07, 2017, 04:54:39 PM
The humour is typical Seth stuff, like A Million ways to Die in the west.

Interesting that you mention Million Ways to Die. I thought that was a huge miss too.

I'm beginning to wonder if he can pull off humor that isn't over-the-top crass.
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: BanzaiCat on October 07, 2017, 06:49:13 PM
I'm glad I'm not the only one that didn't like Million Ways. It was a great disappointment.

From the sounds of things, the Orville is slowly sliding that way, too. I haven't watched an episode since the baby-sex-change one.
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: Barthheart on October 07, 2017, 06:53:03 PM
But... Charlize Theron  :dreamer:  :smitten:
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: JasonPratt on October 07, 2017, 07:12:20 PM
Quote from: Barthheart on October 07, 2017, 04:54:39 PM
Finally binge caught up on this. I'm enjoying it enough to keep watching.
The humour is typical Seth stuff, like A Million ways to Die in the west.
I just see it a being average joes on a starship. You just know there had to be such ships even in the ST universe. Not the cream of the crop....

The Irresponsible Captain Tyler would have been interesting to try adapting. ;)


I was pretty okay with the Theron ep. Classic Trekian story, with a surprisingly subtle finale (which might or might not ever go anywhere, rather like classic non-DS9 Trek. ;) ) Plot had a few holes to keep things going, but no more than for typical Trek stories. Humor is hit and miss as always, but at least it does hit sometimes. Headcanon that this is a nominally series RPG group (maybe LARPing along) with players who occasionally lapse into unexpected asides (a la Darth and Droids), keeps the seams from falling too much apart for me. Enjoyed Theron's guest role; I usually like her, though not always her role or the films she stars in.
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: mirth on October 07, 2017, 07:21:29 PM
Quote from: BanzaiCat on October 07, 2017, 06:49:13 PM
I haven't watched an episode since the baby-sex-change one.

That was by far the best one so far.
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: mirth on October 07, 2017, 07:26:04 PM
To be clear, I'm not down on this show to the point of giving up on it. Just feels like it could be so much more. The pieces are there for a Galaxy Quest level of good, but for some reason it's not there yet. I'm still hopeful it can get to that level.
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: Barthheart on October 07, 2017, 07:31:43 PM
I don't think he wants to make it a Galaxy Quest though...
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: mirth on October 07, 2017, 07:43:11 PM
That's good because he's not even close.

I wasn't thinking of a direct equivalent, but more that the overall quality could be on a Galaxy Quest level. So far that isn't the case either. None of the elements in Orville are working all that well. The writing and story telling is mediocre. The characters are stereotypes. The humor mostly falls flat.

Like I said, the pieces are there - solid cast, excellent production values. It just needs to be better. Very reminiscent of the first couple seasons of TNG.
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: WallysWorld on October 13, 2017, 12:01:46 AM
I'm still watching the series and enjoying it. Once you get to know the characters and their personalities, the show is fun to watch. Tonight's episode was quite good with a foreboding ending that you usually don't see in comedies.
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: mirth on October 14, 2017, 07:02:21 PM
I've accepted that this show is going to be mostly 'meh' with an ocassional bright spot. Don't see it going more than a season or two at most.
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: GDS_Starfury on October 15, 2017, 09:32:47 AM
maybe you just dont have a sense of humor.
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: MetalDog on October 15, 2017, 09:39:22 AM
Then I don't either.  That show is terrible and doesn't even try to be funny.  And maybe that's the point.  Maybe Macfarlane is trying to do this straight up.  If so, then it's just a cheap ST:NG ripoff.  And if, somehow, he IS trying to be funny, then, it's a complete failure.
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: Centurion40 on October 15, 2017, 05:54:25 PM
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on September 22, 2017, 10:35:21 PM
Jason Ive come to the conclusion that you could analyze a blow job into half star yelp review.

"a bit of teeth and not enough throat, kind of dry and no ball fondling.  .5 star and not worth the $20."

Bwahahahaha!  :DD
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: GDS_Starfury on October 15, 2017, 10:29:44 PM
Quote from: MetalDog on October 15, 2017, 09:39:22 AM
Then I don't either.  That show is terrible and doesn't even try to be funny.  And maybe that's the point.  Maybe Macfarlane is trying to do this straight up.  If so, then it's just a cheap ST:NG ripoff.  And if, somehow, he IS trying to be funny, then, it's a complete failure.

ya.... we've got hundreds of pages of proof about your lack of humor.
its like, an established fact around these parts.
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: MetalDog on October 15, 2017, 10:33:36 PM
The fact that I recognize puns for their (almost) complete lack of redeeming qualities just shows that I am a man of high moral fiber and wit.
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: WallysWorld on November 03, 2017, 10:07:08 AM
Series has been renewed: Fox renews The Orville (http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/more-tv-news/the-orville-flies-into-a-second-season-on-fox/)

I am still watching each episode and enjoying the show for what it is.
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: BanzaiCat on November 03, 2017, 11:35:55 AM
Well, that's good news for them.

I'd stopped watching it after episode 2, not because I didn't like it, but didn't have much time and was worried it would be cancelled after one season.
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: Silent Disapproval Robot on November 03, 2017, 11:53:13 AM
I enjoy it (except for the Facebook episode last week).  It's not great but it's good enough.
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: MetalDog on November 04, 2017, 08:47:12 PM
Don't you want more from your entertainment than that though?  Especially with so many quality shows and instant access to them?
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: besilarius on December 28, 2017, 09:44:17 AM
McFarlane is a Star Trek geek.  Here is a fan film he made as a teenager.
Probably explains why he is taking this show in such an odd direction. 

https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/12/26/seth-macfarlane-star-trek-fan-film/
Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: mirth on December 28, 2017, 09:47:49 AM
Quote from: besilarius on December 28, 2017, 09:44:17 AM
McFarlane is a Star Trek geek.  Here is a fan film he made as a teenager.
Probably explains why he is taking this show in such an odd direction. 

https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/12/26/seth-macfarlane-star-trek-fan-film/ (https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/12/26/seth-macfarlane-star-trek-fan-film/)

Better than Star Trek V!


Title: Re: The Orville
Post by: mirth on December 28, 2017, 09:48:42 AM
Gawd! He sounds exactly like Shatner!  :2funny: