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This reminds me of a thread from 13 years ago, on a forum that no longer exists, in which we were trying to explain light to a YEC. He didn't believe in light, but thought that we all have eye beams that shoot out of our eyes and travel at infinite speed to gather visual information and then return to our eyes to show us what's out there.
The example he gave was that if his daughter were standing on the suns surface, looking back at earth, she would see the planet in real time (no 8 minute lag for the light to get there). #:-)
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http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Why+does+the+Earth%27s+axis+tilt%3F
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https://www.princeton.edu/news/2006/08/25/planet-earth-may-have-tilted-keep-its-balance-say-scientists?section=newsreleases
By analyzing the magnetic composition of ancient sediments found in the remote Norwegian archipelago of Svalbard, Princeton University's Adam Maloof has lent credence to a 140-year-old theory regarding the way the Earth might restore its own balance if an unequal distribution of weight ever developed in its interior or on its surface.
https://van.physics.illinois.edu/qa/listing.php?id=1019
Many factors effect the angle of Earth's tilt. The motion of large air masses can change its tilt by measurable amounts even today. During the major Ice Ages, large sheets of ice on Earth's surface and lowered sea level may have caused the Earth to have an even larger tilt. Small changes in the Earth's surface like continental drift and variations of sea level acting over million of years time may change the tilt significantly.
Last, the Earth's spinning was affected by collisions with other bodies while it was forming. The last major impacts with a body 1000 kilometers across was about 4.5 billion years ago. The impact tore a chunk of material out of the Earth, and formed a ring of rock and debris around our planet which later became the Moon. At least that's our best current understanding of the process.
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Quote from: mirth on October 31, 2017, 01:41:24 PM
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Why+does+the+Earth%27s+axis+tilt%3F (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Why+does+the+Earth%27s+axis+tilt%3F)
that's does not say why its tilted, it just tells you why we have seasons, but that was a good link
Ummm...the link was to Google search results, not a single page.
https://astronomy.stackexchange.com/questions/537/why-does-the-earth-have-a-tilt-of-23
https://www.princeton.edu/news/2006/08/25/planet-earth-may-have-tilted-keep-its-balance-say-scientists?section=newsreleases
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Those Princeton science nerds probably haven't thought it through the way you have.
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The first spaceship landed on earth was very, very big and heavy (the size of Texas, even), but it could also go very fast. It landed in what is now northern Russia, and because it was so heavy and fast, it knocked the earth over a little.
One time I submitted a proposal to eliminate the tilt of the earth. My idea was simple: get all 7 billion people to stand side by side across north America. Then at the same time, they would start running south, which would cause the earth to tilt up northward. 7 billion people is a lot of people is a lot of people and would be enough to move the earth a little. It might take a few times to get it back to exactly zero tilt, but then you'd just need fewer people until it was just right. I sent my proposal to government. They didn't fund it, but for my trouble they sent me a nice gift -- a hat made out of metal.
What if C-A-T really spelled dog?
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Quote from: Jarhead0331 on October 31, 2017, 02:24:42 PM
What if C-A-T really spelled dog?
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What if C-A-T really spelled dog?
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Bro...CATDOG.
I thought the tilt was caused by a blast from HOWARD STERN'S ASSSSS!!!
BABABOOEY! BABABOOEY! HOWARD STERN'S PENIS!!!11!! :DD
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I thought the tilt was caused by a blast from HOWARD STERN'S ASSSSS!!!
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Pass the brain bleach, if you please.
That's the King Of All Media, folks!
Quote from: bob48 on October 31, 2017, 03:10:43 PM
Pass the brain bleach, if you please.
I'll take it next.
Quote from: gameleaper on October 31, 2017, 01:54:35 PM
that all sounds good, but if the Sun is pulling the whole planet in circles, I think the pull would be strong enough to overcome small effects in relation to a planets mass.
the gravitational pull is there, but because the earth is spinning fast like a heavy gyroscope it leads to an effect called
axial precession instead of straitening up the axis
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axial_precession
and if you ask why: its about Physics Law of conservation of angular momentum.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angular_momentum
and if you ask why there are those
spooky conservation laws.
it goes back to the axiom that if you have a physical system it should not be differ from which point in space (or in which spatial frame of reference) you (mathematical) describe its physical parameters.
more on this can be found here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noether%27s_theorem
in simple words.
if you have two scientists in different labs (let say London and Paris, or in Pasadena and in a lab on Mars ) doing a measurement at different time you want the result should not be changed just by the change of location or the time a measurement is made. both scientists work depend on that the fundamental laws of physics are independent of location or time they are studied.
Gameleaper
again, seriously! enlist to a course of basic physics in your home town :bd: it will be fun O0
(... not sooo much for his teacher, i guess ^-^)
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That's the King Of All Media, folks!
Hushyourmouth! That's Fartman.
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There was more but I changed my mind
Im just happy you finally posted something people want to reply to
Quote from: gameleaper on November 01, 2017, 09:22:26 AM
thx , I'm sure your right, but I have a different viewpoint, I don't constrain myself by what others have learned, I look at things with fresh eyes, The one thing I can see here is maybe the SUN has a lobsided core, maybe not maybe your right But I just look beyond whats obvious
I'm sure you're the next Copernicus.
Quote from: undercovergeek on November 01, 2017, 11:36:15 AM
Im just happy you finally posted something people want to reply to
DAAAAAAAAAMMMMN! That burned so much I actually got singed. >:D
As you would by a lopsided sun?
Too soon, bruh
Too soon to watch the video?
The whole dead thing.
It's been six months.
Exactly. Too soon.
So I shouldn't be listening to Spoonman right now?
Spoonman is better than Black Hole Sun. I hate Black Hole Sun.
Ahhh...the truth will out.
Quote from: gameleaper on November 01, 2017, 09:22:26 AM
thx , I'm sure your right, but I have a different viewpoint
we were talking about hard science here. there are no viewpoints! its not comparative literature or art history
it all boils down to laws of mathematics in the end and when you start telling people that Addition, Subtraction, 2+3-1=4 is just a viewpoint. and you don't constrain yourself by what others have learned, you look at 2+3-1=4 with fresh eyes
you are mental ill and should be forced by your local authorities into an mental institute. for your own safety and those in your vicinity.
I know where you're coming from Mike, and what you say about scientific facts are obviously right, but maybe your final comments are a little strong and unwarranted. We may not agree with GL's viewpoint, but he is entitled to have them.
Quote from: bob48 on November 01, 2017, 03:45:13 PM
We may not agree with GL's viewpoint, but he is entitled to have them.
of course a person can make a fool of himself and do all kind of crazy things ...i just call the paramedics, and let the public medical officer do his job.
Whatever you may think is up to you, but I really think that such comments are out of place. Please tone it down.
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^Bro, Halloween is OVER!
For some people, Holloween is never over.
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Quote from: gameleaper on November 02, 2017, 10:36:20 AM
an example is when ships are attracted to other ships etc... we simply don't know how it works
Except we do know how it works
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernoulli%27s_principle
http://tccl.rit.albany.edu/knilt/index.php/Lesson_Three:_How_does_Bernoulli%E2%80%99s_principle_work_on_a_plane%3F
Pretty sure we've covered this before.
Quote from: gameleaper on November 02, 2017, 10:36:20 AM
an example is when ships are attracted to other ships etc... we simply don't know how it works, but I assumed you all knew this.
Ships should be free to love who they love, without discrimination. Just because we call ships "she" shouldn't define who they are.
Don't tell Ghostryder, he's in denial.....
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Quote from: gameleaper on November 02, 2017, 10:36:20 AM
an example is when ships are attracted to other ships etc... we simply don't know how it works, but I assumed you all knew this.
Ships should be free to love who they love, without discrimination. Just because we call ships "she" shouldn't define who they are.
Don't tell Ghostryder, he's in denial.....
:DD
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Quote from: gameleaper on November 02, 2017, 10:36:20 AM
no one really knows how gravity works, we can estimate it, but we don't know.
Einstein already knew it decades ago : gravity is a result of the curvature of space-time.
In 1916, Albert Einstein suggested that gravitational waves could be a natural outcome of his theory of general relativity.
Gravitational waves won the physics nobel prize this year.
https://spaceplace.nasa.gov/what-is-gravity/en/
https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2017/10/gravitational-waves-nobel-prize-physics-ligo-science-space/
It isn't gravity pulling the two ships together. It's the differences in water pressure. Bernoulli's Principle isn't a theory. It's scientifically proven fact.
You can't dismiss a proven fact just because someone else did the work of proving it. I mean, you can if you want, but MikeGER might be right about that ride to the funny farm.
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Can we just go back to you spamming the forums with games?
Quote from: Steelgrave on November 02, 2017, 10:48:51 AM
Ships should be free to love who they love, without discrimination. Just because we call ships "she" shouldn't define who they are.
Bismark and Hood were attracted to each other and we all know how that ended.
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Quote from: gameleaper on November 02, 2017, 11:10:46 AM
no weight in space
incorrect
We are IN space and we have weight.
For objects in space we use the term mass (it is mass that influences the space-time continuum)
Quote from: gameleaper on November 02, 2017, 10:36:20 AM
I know you are all new to this gravity question, but maybe you can more see the problem
Yeah, I'm only studying astronomy for some 30 years ...
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I think you're dangerously close to becoming a troll gameleaper
What is it you actually want from this if you're not listening to anybody?
Quote from: undercovergeek on November 02, 2017, 11:27:21 AM
I think you're dangerously close to becoming a troll gameleaper
What is it you actually want from this if you're not listening to anybody?
He's gaslighting us.
I think we need to consider the fact that a gameleaper thread has now surpassed five pages. :o
Clearly, the Earth has been sucked into a black hole and this is an alternate reality.
Quote from: gameleaper on November 02, 2017, 11:22:39 AM
our planet gets its weight from the pull of the sun, without the sun , maybe we wont have weight? or if we stopped spinning the earths gravity would stop, so maybe motion is a factor aswell
There are planets in the universe that aren't orbiting stars but are drifting on their own (http://www.skyandtelescope.com/astronomy-news/rogue-planets-not-plentiful/). These planets still have mass (and this can be measured by the gravitational lensing effect http://www.einstein-online.info/spotlights/grav_lensing_history)
You clearly are interested in the matter so please take a subscription on a magazine
http://www.skyandtelescope.com/
http://www.astronomy.com/magazine
http://www.zenitonline.nl/magazine/het-magazine-zenit
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Quote from: Pete Dero on November 02, 2017, 11:19:50 AM
Yeah, I'm only studying astronomy for some 30 years ...
O0 :hug:
Quote from: gameleaper on November 02, 2017, 11:33:54 AM
I'm not trolling, and the reason I don't seem to lisen, is simply because I know all this about gravity, you don't yet, but Ive said enough now, its upto you guys if you want to be a follower or think for yourselves
Forgive me - you know all there is to know about gravity?
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Quote from: gameleaper on November 02, 2017, 11:36:13 AM
My first question would be are the planets that are not orbiting spinning?
Yes, they most likely spin as they will probably have some angular momentum left from where they formed and there is nothing in space to slow the orbit down.
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Quote from: gameleaper on November 02, 2017, 11:38:46 AM
my second question, is a comet generating gravity, because that's suggests motion?
Gravity doesn't suggest motion, all it needs is mass.
But a comet has motion : it moves through space and it orbits on its own.
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Quote from: gameleaper on November 02, 2017, 11:49:49 AM
women are better to think about
Finally, something that makes sense! ;)
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Quote from: gameleaper on November 02, 2017, 11:36:13 AM
My first question would be are the planets that are not orbiting spinning?
Yes, they most likely spin as they will probably have some angular momentum left from where they formed and there is nothing in space to slow the orbit down.
the force that LIKELY set it spinning
That is how planets are formed : in a spinning gas cloud.
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Quote from: gameleaper on November 02, 2017, 11:49:49 AM
mirth you win women are better to think about
If you go to an astronomy convention you will find as many women there as on a table top wargaming event.
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Quote from: mirth on November 02, 2017, 11:48:13 AM
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Polls are now closed and Mirth wins the internet for the day O0
Quote from: Pete Dero on November 02, 2017, 11:55:46 AM
Quote from: gameleaper on November 02, 2017, 11:49:49 AM
mirth you win women are better to think about
If you go to an astronomy convention you will find as many women there as on a table top wargaming event.
I suspect you'd have better luck at the astronomy convention.
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Quote from: Steelgrave on November 02, 2017, 11:58:10 AM
Quote from: mirth on November 02, 2017, 11:48:13 AM
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Polls are now closed and Mirth wins the internet for the day O0
Somebody told me today that gravity needs motion ... and for once he could be right >:D.
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Quote from: gameleaper on November 02, 2017, 01:36:57 PM
... I beleave there is something in the vacumb we cant detect yet ....
Why do you believe this? Are you talking about dark matter or dark energy or something else?
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Quote from: gameleaper on November 02, 2017, 12:22:30 PM
better atmosphere at a chess congress,
until Gameleaper while in the middle of the play asked:
we all know pawns can be promoted when they reach the opposite side of the board, why not just promote a pawn whenever he choose to. Look, he should be even do it easier because he is not so exhausted from traveling and maybe even fighting all they way across the board.
Grandmaster answered: That are the chess rules.
Gameleaper: This is only your viewpoint. I promote my pawn now, he deserved it.
Grandmaster: your out !
...and so Gameleapers chess hobby came to an end ^-^
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... I beleave there is something in the vacumb we cant detect yet ....
Why do you believe this? Are you talking about dark matter or dark energy or something else?
I believe this because the spinning of the earth causes the moon to be attracted to us, but its a vacumb where nothing is supposed to be, so my conclusion is there is something in the vacumb, this could be called black matter I suppose,
The spinning of the Earth has nothing to do with the Moon being attracted to it. Gravity attracts the moon to the Earth.
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Quote from: gameleaper on November 02, 2017, 01:36:57 PM
... I beleave there is something in the vacumb we cant detect yet ....
Why do you believe this? Are you talking about dark matter or dark energy or something else?
I believe this because the spinning of the earth causes the moon to be attracted to us, but its a vacumb where nothing is supposed to be, so my conclusion is there is something in the vacumb, this could be called black matter I suppose,
The spinning of the Earth has nothing to do with the Moon being attracted to it. Gravity attracts the moon to the Earth.
if the earth stopped spinning would gravity holding us all to the earth stop, or would we still stick to it? everything we know spins round the sun too.
If the Earth stopped spinning we would remain on the Earth. It's the Earth's mass being so very much larger than ours that keeps us on the planet.
(Of course if the Earth stopped spinning instantly the atmosphere, which is also spinning at 460 m/s, so we'd be thrown around pretty violently...)
Quote from: gameleaper on November 02, 2017, 02:02:26 PM
one thing I don't know is are all planets and moons spinning the same way, or are opposits attracting?
Even in our solar system we have planets that have a retrograde spin : Venus & Uranus
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Quote from: gameleaper on November 02, 2017, 02:17:25 PM
I understand your point , but how does mass attract a different mass separated by nothing.
If the earth spun faster we would be heaver,
the space station spins to produce gravity
we don't know what actualy is gravity
Sandra bullock if your reading , I like you alot
If the Earth spun faster we would not be heavier. Spinning has nothing to do with gravity.
A space station that spins creates centripetal forces that act like gravity, but the forces are not gravity.
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All you are saying is that you don't know what gravity is.
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I know. I could tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.
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Quote from: gameleaper on November 02, 2017, 02:40:59 PM
Quote from: mirth on November 02, 2017, 02:39:11 PM
I know. I could tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.
I'm off to the funny place
The authorities tracked you down?
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How about you prove you're not a troll?
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At this point, I have the right to say whatever I want to you. And I say, good day sir.
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It was all well and good to tolerate you spamming the forums with your shitty games. You seemed like a harmless crank. Now you've crossed over to full-blown troll.
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Quote from: gameleaper on November 02, 2017, 03:43:20 PM
answer or be quiet
I have a PhD in engineering. I'm not being quiet because I can't answer your questions, but because you are a troll.
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Quote from: gameleaper on November 02, 2017, 03:43:20 PM
answer or be quiet
I have a PhD in engineering. I'm not being quiet because I can't answer your questions, but because you are a troll.
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just stop asking stupid fucking questions that have already been answered Gameleaper.
if you need the attention get a puppy and a codependent fat girl friend.
It worked for Star.
Quote from: mirth on November 02, 2017, 04:36:40 PM
It worked for Star.
Now see, I thought of that but I held back because it was your place to say it....it's only right.
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Quote from: mirth on November 02, 2017, 04:36:40 PM
It worked for Star.
Now see, I thought of that but I held back because it was your place to say it....it's only right.
I appreciate the consideration.
gameleaper...you're threads and posts, as well-intentioned as they may be, are starting to piss people off and divert the valuable attention and resources of the mod team. I'm going to have to caution you to watch your tone and please avoid spamming the forums.
Thanks.
Quote from: mirth on November 02, 2017, 04:36:40 PM
It worked for Star.
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Travis Bickle. Good call.
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on November 02, 2017, 05:04:08 PM
gameleaper...you're threads and posts, as well-intentioned as they may be, are starting to piss people off and divert the valuable attention and resources of the mod team. I'm going to have to caution you to watch your tone and please avoid spamming the forums.
Thanks.
your not you're :P
^You just made the list, buddy!
Which list am I on now?
Exactly.
Quote from: mirth on November 02, 2017, 05:51:37 PM
Which list am I on now?
Isn't there a list of the lists he's on?
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Quote from: Jarhead0331 on November 02, 2017, 05:04:08 PM
gameleaper...you're threads and posts, as well-intentioned as they may be, are starting to piss people off and divert the valuable attention and resources of the mod team. I'm going to have to caution you to watch your tone and please avoid spamming the forums.
Thanks.
your not you're :P
How do you know its not "you're". Its not physics.
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Quote from: Jarhead0331 on November 02, 2017, 05:04:08 PM
gameleaper...you're threads and posts, as well-intentioned as they may be, are starting to piss people off and divert the valuable attention and resources of the mod team. I'm going to have to caution you to watch your tone and please avoid spamming the forums.
Thanks.
your not you're :P
How do you know its not "you're". Its not physics.
True. I'm no rocket surgeon.
Or brain scientist.
BABABOOEY!
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BABABOOEY!
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Thank you for posting Travis Bickle!!!! I really need to check the iTunes store and see if I can buy the Taxi Driver soundtrack! I keep forgetting and your reminder was very timely! I love you!
My grand daughters LOVE trolls. It's Bergens they don't like. O:-)
I miss my mohawk. :-[
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