http://www.ageod.com
Just placed my order.....
Is there any benefit to a pre-order? Discounted price, early access, etc.?
It seems like you might be able to download a version of the game that let's you see things without playing, but haven't figured out exactly what it is. I have a link to a download, but can't do it until my Madden 13 completes downloading:) I believe you also get bonus scenario. And when the full game is released you get 3 days earlier.
The entire world must be trying to pre-order because I can't even get onto the site right now.
Twenty bucks. They make it easy to purchase with pricing like that, too! 8)
VERY FRUSTRATED WITH THIS...
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It means that you'll be able to launch all the scenarios and look at the map and units, the moment you have finished downloading and installing the game. BUT you won't be able to run a turn before September 19th (i.e 3 days before the official release date).
I'm pretty stoked about this game. I've been waiting for an ancients operational TBS for a long time.
I preordered... :)
You also get a Spartacus scenario with a preorder.
Yeah that's pretty sweet.
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on August 24, 2012, 11:04:22 PM
VERY FRUSTRATED WITH THIS...
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It means that you'll be able to launch all the scenarios and look at the map and units, the moment you have finished downloading and installing the game. BUT you won't be able to run a turn before September 19th (i.e 3 days before the official release date).
I guess better than a typical pre-order when you get nothing....at least get to see something:)
I am excited for this too. But I still haven't cracked open an AGEOD game after all these years. Wondering if this should not be my entry point.
Gus, Gus, Gus. Are you a wargamer or a mouse?
Quote from: Bison on August 25, 2012, 12:01:23 PM
Gus, Gus, Gus. Are you a wargamer or a mouse?
Not a knock against him - just an observation. Gus is more of a strategy gamer than quintessential wargamer.
I yam what I yam. I have 3 or 4 AGEOD games in my possession, just haven't got around to cracking them open. But I do love me some ancient Roman history so I am intrigued with this one.
Ageod games can take awhile to learn and get into game system. Worth the time investment IMO because they are such good historic operational games. There are not many games out there that fall into this genre niche.
This may be my entry point then.
I look at the AGEOD engine similarly to the EU3/CK2, etc. engine. I know these are great games but require a significant investment of time to learn.
But once you learn, there are a ton of games that suddenly become accessible and you know you're going to have some fun.
I'm glad I invested the time to learn CK2 and at some point I will really sit down and figure out AGEOD. I've tried a few times, but they really aren't easy!
Anyway, this game sounds like fun and for $20 it IS pretty hard to say no.
You had me at hello. Want to see if a printed manual will be available with this.
I find that the ageod games are much easier to get into than the paradox grand strategy titles. However, they have very deep organizational systems that do take longer to master. For me, ease of initial accessability is the most critical factor to sticking with a game.
I'll probably wait and see what your guys' reactions to the game is, but I'm definitely interested. For me, the biggest factors are generally as follows:
1.) Immersion/atmosphere
2.) AI
3.) Accessibility/learning curve
If a game does well in at least 2 out of those 3 areas, I'm usually going to want it.
Quote from: LongBlade on August 25, 2012, 12:03:47 PM
Quote from: Bison on August 25, 2012, 12:01:23 PM
Gus, Gus, Gus. Are you a wargamer or a mouse?
Not a knock against him - just an observation. Gus is more of a strategy gamer than quintessential wargamer.
Same here. I'm utterly fascinated by wargames, and I own several, but grand strategy games have long been my bread & butter.
Toonces, if you are looking for an introduction to the AGEOD games, Wars in America is a good bet. I'm not a fan of the 2 week turns and it lacks a lot of the things other AGEOD games do, but the lack of Corp and division creation and recruitment means that its easier to get into.
Rise of Prussia is good too but there you are dealing with complex organization and leader qualities as well as recruitment, recruit depos and such. I would bet that the Rome game will be closest to rise of Prussia
Martok brings up a good point...how is the atmosphere in AGEOD games? Rise of Prussia and Revolution Under Siege have interested me forever too.
I love the atmosphere of Ageod games. Best maps in any wargame IMO. Cool army counters. Great period music. The WEGO system really adds a special depth to the game.
Quote from: Gusington on August 25, 2012, 08:23:15 PM
Martok brings up a good point...how is the atmosphere in AGEOD games? Rise of Prussia and Revolution Under Siege have interested me forever too.
As far as turn-based wargames go, the AGEOD ones have excellent 'atmosphere' since the whole interface is period artwork, not to mention all the art done for each counter's uniform or the actual general displayed on them, the map art, etc.
I'd say they're probably the best for atmosphere because of all that great artwork. For me, it can also be immersive in a tabletop sense since you give orders by picking up the army pieces and dropping them where you want them to go. That's pretty cool too, although people are so used to a Select+Click method that they tend to think the whole order system more complicated than it really is - it's actually easier than what they're used to in that sense (you just drag & drop them where you want 'em).
The big difficulties come when you're learning how to organize your chain of command as efficiently as possible for your intended purposes. Add to that having to figure out how to best guess the Fog Of War info you get, fingering out the detailed supply line rules, and dealing with replacements/recruitment. It's quite a learning curve, but once you've figured out how to create & break down your armies with the interface buttons & drag-drop, while using your Command Points effectively, then the rest is cheese.
I am in a similar situation as Gus and you guys are making alot of sense. Still I am trying to hold out until I find out what you guys think after its released.
Quote from: Gusington on August 25, 2012, 08:23:15 PM
Martok brings up a good point...how is the atmosphere in AGEOD games? Rise of Prussia and Revolution Under Siege have interested me forever too.
I actually have both those games. I've admittedly done little more than tinker around with them, but I can say both have a solid sense of atmosphere.
Revolution Under Siege does an especially good job in this respect (love the music!), but neither is a slouch in that department.
AJE is as sure of a bet as you can get. The AGEOD "Athena" engine is highly developed and works great when its not asked to do too much. There will be a few things here and there but will generally be solid from the start.
As for atmosphere, as stated, you can't get more. Period maps, music and artwork.
Great answers. The price point is strong too. I want it! I'll need to mentally prepare for the organizational learning curve, I think.
What is the MP capability? None? PBEM? Or Internet?
Does anyone know if the price will be going up after the game is officially released?
Quote from: MetalDog on August 26, 2012, 06:11:08 PM
What is the MP capability? None? PBEM? Or Internet?
Looks like SP only- unless it gets added to the game at release or after w/ an update.
Unless I'm mistaken I do believe it has PBEM multiplayer.
I know the other AGE engine games allow PBEM. RoP, AACW and WIA do....if it doesn't, I'm sure it will soon. Same engine.
I think it does up to 3 players I thought I'd read somewhere. It uses the WIA command and supply system so the army organization learning curve will be lessened a bit, but other than the mountain areas I have to believe winter will not be as limiting to campaigning.
I've D/Led the (pre)game and checked the options but I don't see any MP option from main menu or at scenario selection. How do you choose MP in other AGEOD games? All I have on my 'puter right now is the first BOA and I don't see MP there either.
EDIT: Are these games PBEM? There is a turn save option in the game.
PBEM in Ageod games is a honestly a pain in the ass the first few times you do it. You actually start the game pick your side and then send the save game file to your opponent who loads up the game picking otherside and off you go. A bit simplified but that is the jest of it. Honestly Ageod needs to make their games a little more friendly on the MP side of the house.
That sounds like a triple PITA if you had three players.
When you buy from AGEOD can you download forever like Gamers Gate? Even though I backup my games, I still like that ability to re-download from Gamers Gate or Steam.. Searched to see if GG had a pre-order page, but don't see that game yet..
Yeah if you have issues you just email them and they send you a new download link. Just make sure to keep order email or order confirmation number written down somewhere.
This is something I would be interested in, but I've never been about to fully comprehend the AGEOD system. Still, for $20, a map of the Roman empire is pretty cool.
No questions asked...I'm getting this when it comes out. 2nd game today that someone at Grogheads made me want to keep my radar on. This particular title looks like it just might be the spark that gets my strategy game mojo back on.
Doesn't look like it has PBEM capabilities though unless I'm missing something.
Quote from: W8taminute on August 28, 2012, 02:54:37 PM
Doesn't look like it has PBEM capabilities though unless I'm missing something.
Yes the AGE games have PBEM. LOL. Just discussed that, above. ;D
Surely they didn't remove it?
^ ;D
See, I missed something. Like reading the last few posts of a thread!
Cool on the PBEM. I'd be willing to play with anyone here who is interested.
I would be up for MP, too, W8. Things are settling in nicely with my girlfriend, so playtime, especially PBEM should be no problem.
Quote from: TheCommandTent on August 26, 2012, 06:15:35 PM
Does anyone know if the price will be going up after the game is officially released?
I'm pretty sure the $20 will be the going price. It seems to be a sweet spot as far as price points go. Dunno if Paradox still dictated that price or not, but that may be the case and they do like that number, too.
Considering that they'll be making regular DLC for it, it also fits the marketing mold there. AGEOD guys have stated there are plans to release a number of DLC scenario & campaign packs and that they didn't want to look like they were "gouging" their customers with a big cost up front, and a steady stream of expansions. I love these guys. :-*
I don't think Paradox has anything to do with this development. I thought that Ageod and Paradox split after the Nappy fallout.
It's 19.99. I've already pre-ordered. ;D
Quote from: Bison on August 28, 2012, 10:11:31 PM
I don't think Paradox has anything to do with this development. I thought that Ageod and Paradox split after the Nappy fallout.
IIRC, AGEOD is still owned by Paradox. Right?
No matter.. the pricing was for the DLC and 'gouging' purposes anyway.
I don't know honestly. Anyway the fact is that this game is a 3d party development like RUS and I've got high hopes for an awesome ancient Roman operational level TBS game.
These guys are great!
Quote from: PhilThibYes, this is an excellent price. Because the team also promised up more developement in the coming months, we did not want to look like milking customers
http://www.ageod-forum.com/showthread.php?25197-AJE-Preorder
Quote from: Nefaro on August 28, 2012, 10:09:25 PM
Quote from: TheCommandTent on August 26, 2012, 06:15:35 PM
Does anyone know if the price will be going up after the game is officially released?
I'm pretty sure the $20 will be the going price. It seems to be a sweet spot as far as price points go. Dunno if Paradox still dictated that price or not, but that may be the case and they do like that number, too.
Considering that they'll be making regular DLC for it, it also fits the marketing mold there. AGEOD guys have stated there are plans to release a number of DLC scenario & campaign packs and that they didn't want to look like they were "gouging" their customers with a big cost up front, and a steady stream of expansions. I love these guys. :-*
Yes this sounds better than what Battlefront is doing.
Quote from: MetalDog on August 28, 2012, 06:53:54 PM
I would be up for MP, too, W8. Things are settling in nicely with my girlfriend, so playtime, especially PBEM should be no problem.
Sounds good MetalDog. Good to hear you've got yourself a nice routine. Your girlfriend must really understand how important games are to us men. :)
Let's set something up soon then. Speaking of routines now that the kids are back in school I should have a little more extra time during the week day evenings for another PBEM game or two.
Quote from: Nefaro on August 28, 2012, 11:12:57 PM
These guys are great!
Quote from: PhilThibYes, this is an excellent price. Because the team also promised up more developement in the coming months, we did not want to look like milking customers
http://www.ageod-forum.com/showthread.php?25197-AJE-Preorder
I have, and always will love AGEOD!
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Quote from: Bison on August 28, 2012, 10:21:52 PM
I don't know honestly. Anyway the fact is that this game is a 3d party development like RUS and I've got high hopes for an awesome ancient Roman operational level TBS game.
Somewhere in the chatter on the AGEOD forums I noticed that they claim to have new tools for checking data structures and impacts in scenarios -- RUS apparently had major scenario-specific problems. Which may be why they needed these tools.
Quote from: jomni on August 29, 2012, 02:04:51 AM
Yes this sounds better than what Battlefront is doing.
*wink wink nod nod* ;)
ordered today. should be great!
Quote from: W8taminute on August 29, 2012, 07:52:56 AM
I have, and always will love AGEOD!
I love AGEOD but their games don't love me back. Lol!
For those who pre-ordered...and this is going to sound ridiculous...how did you view the AGEOD site in English? I can only view it in French...
Itty bitty English flag icon? I'm not sure anymore as it was a few days ago.
I translated it with my browser.
But all the confirmation emails are coming through in French since I missed the itty bitty British flag icon...today is not my day...
So I have a confirmation number now but I am guessing I can't use it until the 19th of September right?
Quote from: Gusington on August 30, 2012, 04:49:59 PM
For those who pre-ordered...and this is going to sound ridiculous...how did you view the AGEOD site in English? I can only view it in French...
top left corner, bunch of flag icons. right above the word ageod and next to where it says welcome, log in
I will not pre-order just because everyone else is. I will not pre-order just because everyone else is. I will not pre-order just because everyone else is. I will not pre-order just because everyone else is. I will not pre-order just because ...
^That sounds like a losing battle, TCT :-)
^I lost it, that's for sure.
OK since I was an idiot before and couldn't find the language selector, my order was placed in French. Anyone know if I should cancel that order or will the language in the game be selectable by me?
I think you are ok. However you could either ask on the forums or email on of the Phil's on the aged site.
^Yeah I was going to ask them over at AGEOD tomorrow.
I'm. Pretty sure you get asked what language during setup. I don't remember.
Most games let the user choose these days, I think you are right.
Still feel dumb for this little flub .
Quote from: Gusington on August 31, 2012, 06:49:54 AM
Most games let the user choose these days, I think you are right.
Still feel dumb for this little flub .
I'm pretty sure their installers have all been multi-lingual ones in a single package. I'd be more concerned about them attempting to charge you through a French bank or something, and your bank getting paranoid about an overseas charge, and some extra change spent on exchange rate.
However, if you let them know on the AGEOD boards someone would probably lend info & help.
I've done foreign transactions before without any hassle, so no problem there. If the installer is multilingual the only issue left is understanding the emails.
I tried to cancel the order last night but was doing a few other things at the same time and didn't get that far. I'm thinking that is the simplest thing go do.
My original order page was partially in French as well. I didn't click the leetle flag until after the confirmation page. I just checked the installer again for you, Gus. The installer defaulted to English but even if it defaulted to French you can choose English instead. There are only two options.
Cool, thank you 'Wing. I just wrote to them explaining what I did. With your info above that leaves just the emails. I asked if they could resend to me in English.
nice dilemma to have. i just realized that torchlight 2 will be released the same time as this game. going to be very busy in a few weeks!!!
^Two weeks later comes Dishonored!!!! And not long after that Commander: The Great War!!!
Quote from: Gusington on August 31, 2012, 03:41:39 PM
^Two weeks later comes Dishonored!!!! And not long after that Commander: The Great War!!!
Also keep in mind that
Hegemony Rome will probably be out for Pre-Order (and beta access) around that time, too.
It's Rome season!
Hegemony: Rome is on my list too. Has there been a release date given?
Quote from: Gusington on August 31, 2012, 09:30:53 PM
Hegemony: Rome is on my list too. Has there been a release date given?
No but I saw mention of their Beta possibly going into Pre-Order next month, and pre-orders getting beta copies of course.
Just checked it out myself. I was very psyched for this game and then it kind of went into remission. Now it's back again.
Its fantastic to see these 2 great engines dealing with my favorite time in history...
Over the years I have grown to really enjoy Roman history too. And Hegemony Gold taught me a lot on ancient Greece.
The new Hegemony game looks extremely ambitious. And I am psyched to finally have my AGEOD entry point. Where's my gladius?
Quote from: Gusington on September 01, 2012, 10:32:31 PM
Over the years I have grown to really enjoy Roman history too. And Hegemony Gold taught me a lot on ancient Greece.
The new Hegemony game looks extremely ambitious. And I am psyched to finally have my AGEOD entry point. Where's my gladius?
Definitely looking forward to the new Hegemony game and the extra gameplay features in it. More room to maneuver your armies too, it says! Yay!
As for the AGEOD game, I suppose that even those of us who understand how the military organization works will have to adjust to the Roman OOB a bit so there will be some new learning for all.
Quote from: Gusington on September 01, 2012, 10:32:31 PM
Over the years I have grown to really enjoy Roman history too. And Hegemony Gold taught me a lot on ancient Greece.
The new Hegemony game looks extremely ambitious. And I am psyched to finally have my AGEOD entry point. Where's my gladius?
Gus, can you give me a rundown on Hegemony Gold...something about that game has held me back from buying, but maybe I should give it a try. I have even tried the demo, just not sure if I "get it" but maybe I haven't given it enough time.
^I wasn't sure if I would like it either but the simplicity of the interface and the solid AI (in later parts of the game) engaged me. It was easy to tell it was not a top title produced with lost of money, but the passion the developers put in to the subject of ancient Greece was enough to hook me. It took me about 5 hours with it to start to 'get it' like you say, Grim.
I want to pre-order, but then, I love having my shelf on GamersGate... Do you get an extra scenario with the pre-order or something like that?
You get a Spartacus scenario with a pre-order.
Quote from: magnus on September 02, 2012, 07:12:39 PM
You get a Spartacus scenario with a pre-order.
Plus the game 3 days earlier, plus you can actually install the game now and explore, although you can't play it out.
You guys are making this harder and harder to resist buying.
If I did pre-order, not saying that I will :) , do you need a client to download it through or can you just download the file and install it?
Quote from: TheCommandTent on September 02, 2012, 07:51:43 PM
You guys are making this harder and harder to resist buying.
If I did pre-order, not saying that I will :) , do you need a client to download it through or can you just download the file and install it?
Just download and install if you buy directly from Ageod.
Quote from: Bison on September 02, 2012, 07:52:31 PM
Quote from: TheCommandTent on September 02, 2012, 07:51:43 PM
You guys are making this harder and harder to resist buying.
If I did pre-order, not saying that I will :) , do you need a client to download it through or can you just download the file and install it?
Just download and install if you buy directly from Ageod.
Now its just to easy....
Btw I am sure someone already said something but your Darth Lumbergh avatar is hilarious!
Quote from: Bison on September 02, 2012, 07:52:31 PM
Just download and install if you buy directly from Ageod.
Yeppers!
AGEOD has pretty much the same type of serial code system that Matrix uses.
Hegemony is also the same, and those fine people at Longbow Games are vocal about their dislike of DRM. :)
So fear not digital freedom fighters! Rome doesn't need an internet connection to be built in a day!
Quote from: Anguille on September 01, 2012, 08:28:14 AM
Its fantastic to see these 2 great engines dealing with my favorite time in history...
Not to mention Total War Rome 2 is in the works. The Roman Era gets a lot of love lately.
No, but of for some reason you cannot log onto the AGEOD site and it refuses to reset your password for some reason, then your screwed....like what is happening to me...arrgghhh
Quote from: mikeck on September 03, 2012, 10:43:09 PM
No, but of for some reason you cannot log onto the AGEOD site and it refuses to reset your password for some reason, then your screwed....like what is happening to me...arrgghhh
The forums? It was a big issue when they redid the software a couple months back. I had to create a new account. If it's your store account, you should just be able to email the Phils and get all fixed.
Well - there goes my "strategy game" hiatus!
Pre-ordered :D
Maybe I'll get to play this one. And I agree with someone on the front page of this thread - they make it easy to buy a game!
I have a stupid question. In my defense the only AGEOD games I've played are Rise of Prussia and PRoN. Is there any sort of empire management, aka managing taxes, city building, etc in AJE? Given that its an AGEOD game I'm hoping its more about managing my armies then it is managing the whole Roman empire.
No idea sorry. I read very little about it. Being AGEoD and about Rome with a Sparticus scenario - I was sold.
Quote from: Kushan on September 04, 2012, 02:24:28 PM
I have a stupid question. In my defense the only AGEOD games I've played are Rise of Prussia and PRoN. Is there any sort of empire management, aka managing taxes, city building, etc in AJE? Given that its an AGEOD game I'm hoping its more about managing my armies then it is managing the whole Roman empire.
There is some along with event triggers and choices from my understanding. However it is about operational warfare similar to RoP.
It seems to be mostly military based as the other AGE games were.
You can collect taxes and build and train units but I do not believe much more than that.
It reminds me of the boardgame " Imperium Romanum II".
They are planning a lot of DLCs if it takes off. The first one is from 318 to 236 BC. There has also been some posts about it being very moddable and people are already talking about doing a mod for this period or group of years etc..
The great thing is that for many of you, this will be your first AGEOD game....because your desperate....and you HAVE to have the only operational Roman warfare game. once you learn it, it will open up all of the other AGEOD games that you were so scared of.
^You read me like a book.
Quote from: mikeck on September 04, 2012, 07:24:47 PM
The great thing is that for many of you, this will be your first AGEOD game....because your desperate....and you HAVE to have the only operational Roman warfare game. once you learn it, it will open up all of the other AGEOD games that you were so scared of.
Why do you have to go and say thing that makes sense like that...
I ordered it and downloaded last night. Make sure you guys click on the icon in the bot
tom left of the map...its a statue or something. Brings up a whole crap-load of things you can do to the land you are in and such.
Thanks for that! I am sure there will be a ton of things I will need help deciphering in this.