Heads Up People! For today only you can pick "War of the Roses" on Steam for $14.99. I bought it a week ago for $22.50. If you like Chivalry, you should also grab this one, especially at this price. I think like Chivalry you will find things you like about WOTR as well. IMHO they both complement each other in their own ways.
Can also get at amazon for $14.99...but you can get for $9.99 if you bought any other games from amazon recently that gave you a $5 credit for editor choice games.
Sorry, wasn't aware until reading Longblades Amazon post that GH has a deal with Amazon on games.
This discount is different from that. During the holiday sales many of the games bought on amazes on received a $5 credit voucher for any games purchased injanuarynthat were own amazon editors list. War of the roses is on the list so you can pick up for $9. Not a bad deal.
Definitely worth it if you're enjoying Chivalry.
Dammit.
I've been eyeing it, because it sounds like it has more to it than Chivalry. And now this.
I'm weak!!! :'(
Trying to resist...
Quote from: Gusington on January 01, 2013, 06:53:36 PM
Trying to resist...
You're weak like me, Gus. Admit it.
I am. But I still haven't pulled the trigger 8)
How do I justify having both of these games?
Easy to justify having both as they are different. chivalry is about individual combat. wotR is about tactics. It's like CoD vs. BF3.
Frankly I think WotR is the better game.
Gentlemen, You must buy WOTR, simply because I can't wait to hear your opinions and comparisons to Chivalry. I've spent most of the last week playing one and then the other. I like them both for different reasons (similarly to what Jomni has expressed.) I just wish I could pickup the melee fighting controls in WOTR like I have in Chivalry. I spend more time in WOTR as an archer because you can pickup the long range controls much easier. Getting a head shot in WOTR from a great distance is a blast though.
I think it would be interesting to have an all-archer match in WOTR since some of the maps are pretty expansive and the ones with castles have multiple levels with good LOS vantage points. Maneuvering around in an archer match using stealth to gain a good location for a kill would make for a great game.
Damn you all, making logical sense and such.
Paradox Interactive is selling War of the Roses on Amazon.com for $14.99 U.S.
@trek. I will kill you if I see you in WotR. I hate archers because they don't help in capturing.
Quote from: Bison on January 01, 2013, 07:13:31 PM
Frankly I think WotR is the better game.
After seeing some vids, while it downloads, I'm thinking the same. It just looks deeper all-around than Chivalry.
Quote from: jomni on January 01, 2013, 07:58:59 PM
@trek. I will kill you if I see you in WotR. I hate archers because they don't help in capturing.
Man.. lotsa archer hate.
I usually hate them because enemy archers shoot me in the face while I'm trying to kill someone. :D I must be one big-ass target.
My only concern with war of the roses is the lack of controller support...I just find it hard using the keyboard all the time, just not good at it. Controller works pretty well with chivalry.
Resolve...crumbling...I just put the 'House of Lancaster' deluxe edition' in my cart...
WOR needs better maps and better game modes. Tinkering with the character builder is fun, but the actual gameplay is dull, dull, dull.
GAH
You're on Jomni, but you gotta locate me first!
Hey Grim, I've been contemplating trying a controller for Chivalry too. Which brand are you using? I was thinking of the Xbox 360 PC controller. I checked the config folder in Chivalry and embedded in there are lines for XBOX. Too bad WOTR doesn't have controller support, I really need a controller more for that game than Chivalry.
Quote from: trek on January 01, 2013, 09:06:23 PM
Hey Grim, I've been contemplating trying a controller for Chivalry too. Which brand are you using? I was thinking of the Xbox 360 PC controller. I checked the config folder in Chivalry and embedded in there are lines for XBOX. Too bad WOTR doesn't have controller support, I really need a controller more for that game than Chivalry.
I use wired Xbox 360 windows controller....works very well for all my games. In chivarly I am not sure how much customization can be done since been using the default. I could not imagine playing with the keyboard, so much easier with controller in my opinion.
Yeah, there was some discussion over at the Chivalry website forums about whether you could alter the config files for the controllers, not sure what the eventual conclusion was on the subject. Since I've also done quite a bit of console gaming in the last seven years especially with the XBOX 360 controller, I should probably give Chivalry a shot with one to see if I improve over the mouse and keyboard, although a friend of mine tried one and went back to the M&K.
What's up with WotR's Settings not saving? It's a pain in the ass to keep my mouse sensitivity setting - it rarely stays the way I set it, along with video gamma. >:(
I got them adjusted once or twice before but now they don't seem to wanna move a damn bit. I'm beginning to think that, for some odd reason, the settings only properly save if I run the game in Full Screen mode - and it doesn't do so in Windowed mode. Or that it only works during a full moon.
Quote from: trek on January 01, 2013, 09:31:39 PM
Yeah, there was some discussion over at the Chivalry website forums about whether you could alter the config files for the controllers, not sure what the eventual conclusion was on the subject. Since I've also done quite a bit of console gaming in the last seven years especially with the XBOX 360 controller, I should probably give Chivalry a shot with one to see if I improve over the mouse and keyboard, although a friend of mine tried one and went back to the M&K.
Yeah, it all is a personal preference....I am fine with the mouse part, but trying to do all the movement with keys just fluster me. I would rather be concentrating on cutting people's heads off than just moving:)
^If you do decide to get an XBox controller they are on sale at Amazon for ~40. I just got one myself for Dark Souls.
And this is probably the most irritating bug in WotR for me. After a few rounds, it goes psychedelic! Probably my video card but it only happens in this game. Other people are experiencing this as well and they still don't fix it.
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-4BZWQ4aDu2o/UOOpx5a4ohI/AAAAAAAAFAs/qGKIhqv59AA/s1536/wotr+2013-01-02+11-27-18-02.jpg)
Another bug is when I block with shield. My character gets stuck walking in one direction until the edge of the map. No way to get out of it until I die. But no one can find and kill me.
I get something similar but mine just goes monochromatic green. Makes me think I'm playing on a TRS-80.
Quote from: jomni on January 01, 2013, 10:32:34 PM
And this is probably the most irritating bug in WotR for me. After a few rounds, it goes psychedelic! Probably my video card but it only happens in this game. Other people are experiencing this as well and they still don't fix it.
I used to get something very much like that in LOTRO when I played it on my old Nvidia 8800GTS, after playing for an hour or two and it was always fine after a restart - for awhile. :-[
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I can already tell that I'm gonna enjoy War of the Roses more than Chivalry. It definitely has a lot more guts to it. While Chivalry feels like a fancy mod, WotR definitely has it's own style.
I especially like how WotR's movement isn't constant running full speed. So while the circle strafing is (and always will be) there, it's not so ignorantly fast that you have to constantly swing your view around at blazing speeds to aim and block, which can get pretty annoying in Chivalry. We shouldn't have to crank our mouse sensitivity up to 11 in order to perform better. ::)
Loving the customization options - there are a lot! I should've known that I'd like WotR better after people started saying it had more strategic team-oriented gameplay. :D
I've been having hellish issues trying to connect with the polearms. They need to make the contact zone on the head bigger, or something.
I even experienced it on the receiving end. Some poor guy had the better of me and kept swinging away - not at point blank range - and it did absolutely nothing but go right through me. I realize that the chopping head needs to connect but they must've made them insanely tiny.
Also... weapon range is way too short for what it should be. Even stabbing with polearms and spears feels like you gotta be right up on them. I think if they adjusted the weapon hit zones in these two cases, it would do a lot of good.
After playing many hours on both Chivalry and WOTR last night and this morning in addition to many more hours in the last week and a half, for me personally the gameplay boils down to two items. Melee combat is much better with more weight and impact to the weapons in Chivalry than in WOTR. Conversely, for me ranged combat while playing as an archer is much more fleshed out and satisfying in WOTR. I do love the execution mode in WOTR, however. The coup de grace is very satisfying.
So, if your forte is long-range combat as an archer go for WOTR. If melee combat is the only thing you're into, I'd pick Chivalry, hands down. Again, just my own personal experience. I'm interested in hearing more opinions from the rest of you as you get more time in both games. I've got to say though, I'm having more fun with both of these games than anything I've played in years. In fact, my other games are suffering due to this fact. I may become addicted. I don't think anyone here would be the least bit sorry if they purchased both games. Like I said before they both complement each other in different and satisfying ways.
War of the Roses is 11.23 on Gamers Gate.. making it very hard to resist!!
http://www.gamersgate.com/DD-WOTR/war-of-the-roses (http://www.gamersgate.com/DD-WOTR/war-of-the-roses)
I just read about the Melee combat beta update they've been working on. From the tester scuttlebutt, it has improved melee quite a bit so that it doesn't take as long to kill people (all while you're being shot in the back repeatedly by their buddies).
That's a good thing since, right now, the archers have it pretty easy with their 1- and 2- hit kills without having to worry much about hacking away repeatedly at their enemies. It's quite an archer-fest, and would be even worse if we didn't have to bit right up next to a flag (in the open) to cap 'em.
I hope the devs get back from their holiday vacations and get this beta "balancing" update up & released ASAP. This is a fun game, but the aforementioned imbalances are getting frustrating.
The archers and the squad spawning are definitely starting to wear badly on my nerves.
I was way wrong on the squad spawning. It sucks big time.
Friggin' archers though...last night was a perfect example. We were on one of those big winter maps. I'm in full-on knight outfit on my barded warhorse. Come up on an opponent in the same stuff. We go toe to toe joust and I knock him off his horse and kill the horse, while I'm still mounted. So, I could have just did a loop, came around and lanced him down, but I thought I'd do the chivalrous thing and so I hop off my horse to go melee with him. We approach, I'm about to swing...and then I'm one-shotted by some farking sissy archer. And then the other knight executes me!
God, that pissed me off!
Every time I fire it up, within minutes I'm reminded of how much more fun I have when I play Chivalry.
I hate, hate, hate the squad leader spawn in WOR. It's so stupid to just have random guys teleporting in behind you as you mill about point C or something. Also, I've noticed a trend where some teams will rotate squad leader so you can't even target the squad leader in a group based on name as they keep switching out.
@Toonces: Talk about realism.
I wonder how many cap a pie outiftted knight went to
Heaven muttering "frackin' archers!".
Those pesky Welsh/English archers were the foundation
of the beloved libertarian ideal. That and the fact that the
English nobility chopped each other up for sport.
Maybe I have to buy it. It is about the only game I did not buy
this xmas.
Instead of complaining about archers easily killing you, Just go and kill every archer you see. Take your horse, go flank them and bash them in the head. Very satisfying to kill many archers in quick succession. When you focus on archers, your K/D ratio will increase.
In conquest maps, archers are useless. They don't help in capturing so I do the smart thing and just get out of their way and concentrate on capturing. It is very easy to turn an enemy flag to neutral so exploit that opportunity. When you know your team are about to cap a base, go to the next already without waiting for full cap.
Ah, but gentlemen, let us not forget and appreciate what the English Longbowmen did to the French in the glorious slaughter at Agincourt!
"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers!"
"Let fly, straight and true!"
Quote from: jomni on January 04, 2013, 07:10:30 PM
Instead of complaining about archers easily killing you, Just go and kill every archer you see. Take your horse, go flank them and bash them in the head. Very satisfying to kill many archers in quick succession. When you focus on archers, your K/D ratio will increase.
In conquest maps, archers are useless. They don't help in capturing so I do the smart thing and just get out of their way and concentrate on capturing. It is very easy to turn an enemy flag to neutral so exploit that opportunity. When you know your team are about to cap a base, go to the next already without waiting for full cap.
Oh, I definitely kill me some archers when they're close enough. The problem being that it can take awhile to speed up and if you block or swing, you'll start moving at creeping speed again all while they're shooting at you.
I actually like that we can't take off instantly full-speed, unlike many other first-person games . But when archers can one- and two-shot you, and it takes a long time to get up to speed, along with melee taking forever if they're halfway decent at blocking, they have a huge advantage from the start (in the open areas and when having to climb ladders). That's why they're working on the "Rebalance" fixes, and the archery stuff is being left as-is.
I read something about the melee combat in the beta being a fair bit faster to resolve - still not of
Chivalry proportions where 2 hit kills are the norm. That's what's needed.
Even now, I'm preferring WotR to Chivalry. As I said, Chivalry just feels like some hollow first-person shooter mod hackfest. I also regularly get pissed off when my shield doesn't seem to block what it looks like it should in Chiv; perhaps it's something to do with their hit detection mixed with latency but what I see on my screen seems to be a bit off in timing hits sometimes, even with good ping. While I still fire up Chivalry for some short spouts of head-lopping, the gameplay is, as I saw someone relate it, more "like Unreal Tournament in a medieval setting" which I never really enjoyed much. I'm far happier with WotR overall, despite the difficulty of the Mount & Blade-style combat controls.
Well, the second part of that post would be that I will go after archers any time I see them, even if it means I die in the process. Nothing is more satisfying than instakilling some archer, especially if it's the guy that just shot you, which I did repeatedly last night.
In Chivalry timing is key. Holding the shield (turtling) forever like in WotR may not block successfully. You need to press block at the right time and put the dot in the right place. It's all about timing.
Quote from: Toonces on January 04, 2013, 09:36:33 PM
Well, the second part of that post would be that I will go after archers any time I see them, even if it means I die in the process. Nothing is more satisfying than instakilling some archer, especially if it's the guy that just shot you, which I did repeatedly last night.
LOL yeah. Archer killing is fun, when it works out.
I have the bad habit of being targeted by numerous ones when I come rushing in, though, so my life expectancy can be rather short in those cases. ;D
Quote from: jomni on January 04, 2013, 09:37:21 PM
In Chivalry timing is key. Holding the shield (turtling) forever like in WotR may not block successfully. You need to press block at the right time and put the dot in the right place. It's all about timing.
I think part of my problem is that I have to use the second 3rd-person view option (the one close-up directly behind the head) because the first-person view makes me motion sick after a short time in Chivalry. So perhaps there's some disconnect between animations and/or aiming in that view? I actually seem to be able to parry a bit better than block with a shield, oddly enough. :(
Do you guys have the sprint perk? Use that to charge on archers and they won't know what hit them.
Re Chivalry: True, First Person is still the most accurate way to play.
Quote from: jomni on January 04, 2013, 10:08:33 PM
Do you guys have the sprint perk? Use that to charge on archers and they won't know what hit them.
Re Chivalry: True, First Person is still the most accurate way to play.
I always use the speed & acceleration Perk on the Movement->Infantry one. It definitely helps.
I also found that jumping, once you start running, helps you accelerate faster. Odd.. but it works. Perhaps something else that needs to be adjusted.
My melee skill in WotR seems to have improved, the more I play. Not so with Chivalry, however. I must've hit a plateau there or something. ???
Dammit.
There's now some speed hack out for WotR. >:( Some douchebag was spamming it on his archer tonight. They better nip that quick before it kills the thing.
I reported it to Steam but their customer service is... well... I don't expect anything but a copy & paste reply blowing it off. Hopefully the Fatshark devs are on it quick, with the anti-cheat software, as they've also been informed by other people who've witnessed it too.
This kinda crap just ruins these things.
Hey Nefaro, what does the hack do? I heard some people suspecting a hacker in my recent game but did not notice anything amiss.
This how the French started the lovely habit of cutting off the index and middle finger
on the right hand of any English soldier they caught. So he could not draw a bow.
Thus originated the English reverse "V" sign (those two fingers in a "V" with
the knuckles facing the recipient). The English equivalent of the bird but with a
humourous English overtone of impending death as well.
Picking it up now. Chivalry is a fantastic game and I know these two get compared. Looking for a little bit more depth.
Quote from: jomni on January 05, 2013, 02:40:12 AM
Hey Nefaro, what does the hack do? I heard some people suspecting a hacker in my recent game but did not notice anything amiss.
It allows someone to spam the Sprint skill with no limitations. Over & over, back to back.
I ragequit last night because some d-bag was using it on his archer, so he'd just turn and spam that a few times to warp off out of sight, when anyone started approaching him. Then pop back up and kill them, rinse-repeat. I think it's even
faster than the charge ability that comes with the man-at-arms, and possibly longer ranged, too.
I believe the game uses anti-cheat software so I'd expect whomever develops that to be on it in reasonable time, but I'm not sure if it's punkbuster or something else.
I have made two archer hunting vids. stay tuned while I up load them in YouTube.
The Devs just posted a net survey on what to change regarding Squad Leader Spawning:
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?656485-Squad-Leader-Spawning-Survey!
Just two multi-choice questions regarding TDM/Conquest modes.
I don't like to see it in Conquest mode, myself, where you have to cap flags and the squad leader spawning tends to magically teleport people right back into the battle, from death near them. But it's probably not as big of a deal with Team Deathmatch, and they also have a "not allowed near enemies" option in there too so I went easy on that one (some people still seem to like it for some odd reason). Since you can pick any of the owned flag locations to spawn at, there's not much distance to get back into the fight so disabling squad leader spawning shouldn't be a problem regarding long walks.
Also: looks like one or two people recorded video of the speed hacker and even reported his Steam profile. ;D Must be a dumbass, as the game uses Steam IDs and, technically, Steam can perma-ban his whole account (and the games in it) for using hacks in multiplayer.
Quote from: jomni on January 05, 2013, 11:58:16 PM
I have made two archer hunting vids. stay tuned while I up load them in YouTube.
I look forward to it.
I gotta kick out of joining a game with only a couple players in it yesterday (other low ping servers were full). One opposing player had just picked up the game (he said when asked) and was playing archer. So I gave him some tips on how archers usually run away from my Sexycutioner Axe-wielding plate dude that he started to use - most memorably to run up ladders and then turn and shoot me in the face when I'm following up afterward. The point I'm getting to is that this actually gave me practice in ladder pursuits and bobbing my head up & down, over the side of the wall, to get archers to shoot & miss. And also that swinging a 2-handed Axe in a close-in area is very difficult to land a hit - to the dagger!
That's one thing WotR does a lot better than Chivalry - the pole-arm and 2-handed weapons. It's annoying when you're practically nose-to-nose with a Vanguard in Chivalry, and he's swinging his spear/halberd sideways and still connecting for big damage when you're actually inside the head's striking range. ::) Hell, I've killed quite a few people swinging my spear sideways and hitting them with the shaft. (That didn't sound right, did it? :o) I suppose that's part of the reason Vanguards are so popular.
Dunno what you're talking about regarding pole-arms in Chivalry. Must be your lag because it's very easy to get inside their reach where they can't hit you. I do it all the time and conversely, I've had it done to me a lot when I'm playing as a vanguard.
I find the exact opposite in WOR. There don't seem to be hit zones and the animations never match up with the action. Just randomly swing away and sometimes you'll hit even if it looks like your weapon missed by two feet. Other times you'll see your swing pass right through your target's body and nothing will happen. I also hate the fact that it'll show a blood splash even if you don't penetrate their armour.
Could someone explain the differences between Chivalry and War of the Roses? Both look interesting, but I'm not quite sure what the difference is between the two games. I would like to chose the one that best suits me (I wish both would have a demo or a F2P weekend).
"I spent 2 hours with Chivalry tonight. I'm stupidly sober and I didn't get motion sick at all, so it might have been the beer the last time I played Chivalry.
Anyway, it's hard to compare the two games because they're similar in concept. Let's see how well I can explain this, keeping in mind that I have about 45 hours in WotR and only 2 hours in Chivalry.
WotR is based on historically correct teams, while Chivalry is completely fictional.
WotR is strictly 3rd person while Chivalry is 1st person. It would be hard to say I prefer one over the other. I find some similarities between the combat in Skyrim and the combat in Chivalry, in the sense that you spend a lot of time dodging, and moving such that you time a dash towards your opponent with your swing. In a sense it feels more tactical. Except, I find that in WotR, due to the 3rd person perspective it's more tactical in a thinking sense rather than a feeling sense. What I mean is that you're looking at your person from the outside, so your perspective of the fight is different and you spend time picking different swings in a more thinking about the fight sense. I don't know if that even makes sense. Either way, they both require you to do more than spam swings if you want to enjoy success.
I've only played team deathmatch in both games. Both feel fairly chaotic, but the maps in Chivalry thus far feel more confined with a lot more hidey holes and alleys and such.
WotR has crossbowman and archers. Chivalry has those too, but also has a bunch of throwing weapons for melee classes. That kind of sucks because you'll be rushing into a melee fight and a knight will pull out a throwing axe and put it in your melon and that's that. I don't think I like all of the throwing weapons in Chivalry, which are very lethal.
WotR flashes little numbers when you score damage. Chivalry does not, so you don't know how badly you've wounded your opponent when you hit him. However, rarely does it take more than two good hits to kill someone in Chivalry so you generally know if you've hit the guy once he's on the ropes.
Chivalry has far more graphic deaths with arms and heads coming off, blood spurting, etc.
WotR has cool execution animations.
WotR definitely has more customization of your character. You can edit your coat of arms, change your helmet, armor, etc. Chivalry seems to have a lot of weapons to unlock but less armor and helmet modification, if any.
I'm playing weekday evening about 12-2am EST and I played on a handful of 32 person servers. WotR feels a lot more busy with 64 player servers vice 32 players (32 per side vice 16 per side). With the cap at 32 it seemed like there were more servers at less than max capacity. 8v8 fights are fun for a while, but not as boss as the slugfests with 32 on each side.
Chivalry has auto-balancing between rounds; WotR does not (although you can't pick red if red outnumbers white and vice versa).
WotR has bandaging while in Chivarly you regain health over time. I like the bandage mechanic much, much better. Also, in WotR you have the opportunity to "revive" a fallen teammate before he is executed, while in Chivalry dead is dead. The revive mechanic can lead to some serious slugfests when teammates and enemies begin to cluster around their fallen comrades.
Overall I am enjoying both games. I can't really recommend one over the other...I think the 3rd vs 1st person is the biggest difference and could drive a decision if you had to make one. There aren't that many of these types of games, so getting both is a great option and nothing to be ashamed of! I suppose my personal opinion is that WotR is more of a thinking man's game, but I might be biased since I have so much more time invested in WotR than Chivalry.
Hope that helps some."
This is what I posted a few weeks ago. Having spent more time with both games, I prefer WotR over Chivalry for reasons I already posted in this thread. I can't get over the feeling that Chivalry is more of a fast-paced spam click fest whereas WotR is more of a thinking game. I know everyone doesn't agree with this assessment, but it's how I perceive it. WotR reminds me more of Red Orchestra 2 than Call of Duty, if that makes sense.
I love the customization in WotR. It only takes about two hours of playing before you have enough gold to start customizing, if you play on conquest servers.
I HATE the archers and squad spawning in WotR. But, as an early player in WotR, crossbowman is a great way to rack up kills and gold quick.
I was wrong above about the servers. WotR mostly has 32 player servers. Chivalry also has 32 player servers. Chivalry has FAR more players online than WotR.
You might be best served by watching some videos on youtube. There is a really nice comparison video- I can't remember who did it but google should turn it up- where the guy compares them side by side on each point.
Quote from: Toonces on January 06, 2013, 03:03:49 AM
"I spent 2 hours with Chivalry tonight. I'm stupidly sober and I didn't get motion sick at all, so it might have been the beer the last time I played Chivalry.
Anyway, it's hard to compare the two games because they're similar in concept. Let's see how well I can explain this, keeping in mind that I have about 45 hours in WotR and only 2 hours in Chivalry.
WotR is based on historically correct teams, while Chivalry is completely fictional.
WotR is strictly 3rd person while Chivalry is 1st person. It would be hard to say I prefer one over the other. I find some similarities between the combat in Skyrim and the combat in Chivalry, in the sense that you spend a lot of time dodging, and moving such that you time a dash towards your opponent with your swing. In a sense it feels more tactical. Except, I find that in WotR, due to the 3rd person perspective it's more tactical in a thinking sense rather than a feeling sense. What I mean is that you're looking at your person from the outside, so your perspective of the fight is different and you spend time picking different swings in a more thinking about the fight sense. I don't know if that even makes sense. Either way, they both require you to do more than spam swings if you want to enjoy success.
I've only played team deathmatch in both games. Both feel fairly chaotic, but the maps in Chivalry thus far feel more confined with a lot more hidey holes and alleys and such.
WotR has crossbowman and archers. Chivalry has those too, but also has a bunch of throwing weapons for melee classes. That kind of sucks because you'll be rushing into a melee fight and a knight will pull out a throwing axe and put it in your melon and that's that. I don't think I like all of the throwing weapons in Chivalry, which are very lethal.
WotR flashes little numbers when you score damage. Chivalry does not, so you don't know how badly you've wounded your opponent when you hit him. However, rarely does it take more than two good hits to kill someone in Chivalry so you generally know if you've hit the guy once he's on the ropes.
Chivalry has far more graphic deaths with arms and heads coming off, blood spurting, etc.
WotR has cool execution animations.
WotR definitely has more customization of your character. You can edit your coat of arms, change your helmet, armor, etc. Chivalry seems to have a lot of weapons to unlock but less armor and helmet modification, if any.
I'm playing weekday evening about 12-2am EST and I played on a handful of 32 person servers. WotR feels a lot more busy with 64 player servers vice 32 players (32 per side vice 16 per side). With the cap at 32 it seemed like there were more servers at less than max capacity. 8v8 fights are fun for a while, but not as boss as the slugfests with 32 on each side.
Chivalry has auto-balancing between rounds; WotR does not (although you can't pick red if red outnumbers white and vice versa).
WotR has bandaging while in Chivarly you regain health over time. I like the bandage mechanic much, much better. Also, in WotR you have the opportunity to "revive" a fallen teammate before he is executed, while in Chivalry dead is dead. The revive mechanic can lead to some serious slugfests when teammates and enemies begin to cluster around their fallen comrades.
Overall I am enjoying both games. I can't really recommend one over the other...I think the 3rd vs 1st person is the biggest difference and could drive a decision if you had to make one. There aren't that many of these types of games, so getting both is a great option and nothing to be ashamed of! I suppose my personal opinion is that WotR is more of a thinking man's game, but I might be biased since I have so much more time invested in WotR than Chivalry.
Hope that helps some."
This is what I posted a few weeks ago. Having spent more time with both games, I prefer WotR over Chivalry for reasons I already posted in this thread. I can't get over the feeling that Chivalry is more of a fast-paced spam click fest whereas WotR is more of a thinking game. I know everyone doesn't agree with this assessment, but it's how I perceive it. WotR reminds me more of Red Orchestra 2 than Call of Duty, if that makes sense.
I love the customization in WotR. It only takes about two hours of playing before you have enough gold to start customizing, if you play on conquest servers.
I HATE the archers and squad spawning in WotR. But, as an early player in WotR, crossbowman is a great way to rack up kills and gold quick.
I was wrong above about the servers. WotR mostly has 32 player servers. Chivalry also has 32 player servers. Chivalry has FAR more players online than WotR.
You might be best served by watching some videos on youtube. There is a really nice comparison video- I can't remember who did it but google should turn it up- where the guy compares them side by side on each point.
That was very helpful! Thanks! I was just watching some YouTube videos of gameplay for both games and what I saw of the two is pretty much in agreement with everything you just wrote. Based on those vids and your description, I think I would like WotR better.
Thanks again! Not sure if I am ready to jump in to either game just yet, but I think I know which way I will jump when the time comes.
Quote from: RooksBailey on January 06, 2013, 03:25:54 AM
That was very helpful! Thanks! I was just watching some YouTube videos of gameplay for both games and what I saw of the two is pretty much in agreement with everything you just wrote. Based on those vids and your description, I think I would like WotR better.
Thanks again! Not sure if I am ready to jump in to either game just yet, but I think I know which way I will jump when the time comes.
I don't know if you've ever played
Mount & Blade, but the combat controls in WotR are very similar. Although I believe most weapons swing more slowly since they have two speeds - a windup speed and a swing speed so there are two phases to an attack that gives a bit more time to bring up the appropriate directional block. It's not huge, but I'm finding it easier to parry in WotR than M&B.
They have a new update coming that will nerf shields, re-enable weapon damage (so you can break your sword on something, for example), and improve damage output so that melee combat doesn't take quite so long to be decided. Not to mention the poll about taking out Squad Leader spawning that's a current possibility. I already prefer WotR, myself, and after they get these updates in it will be pretty awesome.
Quote from: Silent Disapproval Robot on January 06, 2013, 12:39:17 AM
Dunno what you're talking about regarding pole-arms in Chivalry. Must be your lag because it's very easy to get inside their reach where they can't hit you. I do it all the time and conversely, I've had it done to me a lot when I'm playing as a vanguard.
I find the exact opposite in WOR. There don't seem to be hit zones and the animations never match up with the action. Just randomly swing away and sometimes you'll hit even if it looks like your weapon missed by two feet. Other times you'll see your swing pass right through your target's body and nothing will happen. I also hate the fact that it'll show a blood splash even if you don't penetrate their armour.
In WotR, I usually get a dull "thump" sound when swinging a long polearm into someone who's too close so I can usually tell if I've not properly connected. You're right about the hit detection on those long weapons' heads being difficult to connect with. But I'd rather deal with that than what I believe to be extremely lax polearm modelling in Chiv. There's just more detail to the weapon modelling. Hell, I finally noticed that we can rotate some of them around to use the back-side of the weapon, as I was curious as to why my halberd's blade-side wasn't doing any more damage against a plate-wearing enemy over a nice sword hit. Then I saw some video where the guy mentioned pressing the 'Q' key to flip the weapon around and use the spike on heavily armored targets. Got some nice penetration that way. ;D I don't think Chivalry even
has armor penetration modelled, or other such details, and I like that kind of stuff.
Quote from: Longdan on January 05, 2013, 10:16:55 AM
This how the French started the lovely habit of cutting off the index and middle finger
on the right hand of any English soldier they caught. So he could not draw a bow.
Thus originated the English reverse "V" sign (those two fingers in a "V" with
the knuckles facing the recipient). The English equivalent of the bird but with a
humourous English overtone of impending death as well.
That is the basis of the middle finger flip off. It was used as a insult to show the French they still had thier fingers. :}
As I've mentioned in other posts... the simplest analogy with Chivalry vs. WotR is..
Chivalry = Call of Duty
War of the Roses = Battlefield
Both are good in their own right.
Hi guys here are two vids of my archer hunting exploits. The first one is posted in my blog (http://jomnisgames.blogspot.sg/2013/01/war-of-rosestales-of-archer-hunter.html) and in the AAR sections.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCGr74UJSuE&feature=share&list=UUREx5mxjLvIBH1lk1F2BQRQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vCU5Dhb_uA&feature=share&list=UUREx5mxjLvIBH1lk1F2BQRQ
Quote from: jomni on January 06, 2013, 07:04:34 AM
Hi guys here are two vids of my archer hunting exploits. The first one is posted in my blog (http://jomnisgames.blogspot.sg/2013/01/war-of-rosestales-of-archer-hunter.html) and in the AAR sections.
LOL. Fun to watch.
Those archers in that first one (Team Deathmatch) weren't terribly smart ones, standing down on the ground at nearly point blank range with the melee people. I always have the most problems from ones on top of buildings and standing together in groups. Otherwise, they're quite fun (and usually easy) to murderize if you can get near them. :D
Thanks for the vids Jomni! 8)
Awww. I joined Jomni and he left on the next match. :(
I'm sorry for the accidental axe swipe Jomni! :o
I'll join again if you're still there.
OMG! It seems like everyone is spamming Shield Bash these days. I've tried it a couple times but keep dropping it for the faster shield block movement perk.
I'm not saying you do, Jomni, just a couple people in this match just do it back-to-back-to-back. :)
Also annoyed but I'm also guilty. :)
I'm sure it's been brought up numerous times before, but I made a post about it on PI forums. Hope they give that thing a cooldown of some kind as that seems to be the problem.
You didn't use it near as repetitively as a couple other guys. You can block it with your own shield, and quickly take a side swing afterward that can do a small bit of damage, before raising your shield back up in time to block his next one. But that makes the combat take even far more longer and one slip-up to get out of timing and he's back to locking you down for long periods. I think I could take one of these spammers out, given enough time, but they always manage to spam it enough for some of their buddies to show up and start stabbing me in the back. It'd take like 4 or 5 minutes to kill a Shield Bash spammer with those little whittling rebuttals. :-\
I bet my post will conjure up a big sore spot.
This game will be amazing once they get the combat fixes squared away. It already feels like it's taking forever. ;D
Chivalry is cheap today. I get that they are both fun.
I do not play any real shooters right now. Does it hold
that Chiv has better combat and WotR more depth?
Or am I missing something? There has been a lot of back and forth.
I have all the Mount and Blade stuff but have not played a lot.
Quote from: Longdan on January 06, 2013, 02:37:10 PM
Does it hold that Chiv has better combat and WotR more depth?
For me, Chivalry combat is more streamlined. Only a few clicks are needed and timing is key. Different mouse clicks for different directions. I find it more elegant. WotR has deeper combat where you decide the swing direction by mouse movement and swing strength by button holding duration. But my tactic involves light and fast swings so it turns into a click fest. It is also quite hard to kill a knight in full armor (unless you use the proper weapon or hit in the right spot) so it adds to the click fest feel. But in WotR, teamwork is key just like the Battlefield series of shooters.
Thanks.
Nice game Nefaro. I did poorly on that blizzard map because I'm geared up for archer hunting. Unfortunately, your team is full of knights. Also you are smart enough to leave a full squad guarding your flag. If you left that alone, I would have captured or turned it neutral as you can see from my actions (always going to that flag... but no one to help me). I suspect my teammates are archers. Lol!
Quote from: jomni on January 06, 2013, 06:34:18 PM
Nice game Nefaro. I did poorly on that blizzard map because I'm geared up for archer hunting. Unfortunately, your team is full of knights. Also you are smart enough to leave a full squad guarding your flag. If you left that alone, I would have captured or turned it neutral as you can see from my actions (always going to that flag... but no one to help me). I suspect my teammates are archers. Lol!
Heh. That can be a problem, sometimes, when too many of your teammates are playing archers - can't hold or take flags very well.
Thanks for the kudos. I still haven't purchased a mount with barding, but I need to. I have a terrible tendency of my horse getting killed by a stab from the first guy I'm charging down or some crossbowman 1-shotting it. I'm guessing that an armored Rouncy with speed buffs is the way to go? You look to have the cavalry thing down well. :) Or maybe a destrier .. but just how much more health do those actually have, I wonder (if it's worth it)?
Edit: Another thing - I see you're using the the
other heavy helmet with the extra throat guard option. My impression of that one was that it was possibly worse than some of the better medium helms because I seemed to get face-chopped more often in it. The frogmouth helm seems to be the only one that can stop most blows to the face, though.
This game is hard. I really suck.
I'm using a warhorse, both barded and unbarded.
Yeah I thought of using the frogmouth or some medium but I value visibility more than protection. I'll probably experiment on some other variations to see if it helps me survive a bit more.
Quote from: Toonces on January 06, 2013, 09:05:17 PM
I'm using a warhorse, both barded and unbarded.
So you're using the Destrier then? That's the
heavy warhorse.
Yes, the destrier.
I had another one of those Chivalry vs. WotR moments tonight. Somehow I feel like I'm continually trying to justify why I think WotR is the better game, but it IS really all about opinion.
Anyway, I couldn't find a conquest server to join that had a reasonable ping, so I joined a big battle or whatever it's called in WotR...not the Team Deathmatch, the other. Pitched Battle, that's what it is. It was fairly lighltly populated, maybe 22 people or so.
We were fighting on one of the winter maps and I go up this set of steps with two other guys and we have essentially a meeting engagement with the other team at the top of the steps. Everyone is in heavy/medium armor, and the opposite team at the top of the steps had polearms and spears. We spent probably a good two minutes fighting back and forth, trying to find a break in each other's defenses to get a killing blow in, but the way friendly fire works as best I can tell is that you deal partial damage to the friendly, but you also do damage to yourself, so only two or three people could fight on each side without suiciding yourself with friendly fire.
The fight was very tactical, with a lot of back and forth before somebody finally killed an enemy knight opening a gap that allowed us to overwhelm the other guy. I'll bet that took a good 1.5 to 2 minutes before somebody finally died. He retreated a bit to his buddies and now we're having a pitched fight in a corridor spilling into a room, fighting at close quarters and struggling to get in a good shot with out TK'ing yourself in the process. Eventually we overcame them, revived our fallen teammates on the floor, and moved into the fields where it turned into a jousting contest between mounted knights between the two bases.
It was very intense, but it was also a very paced fight with a lot of back and forth and tactical movement on both sides.
Unfortunately I'm one of the folks that has the terrible graphics corruption after a few matches that requires me to restart the game. The winter maps seem to exacerbate the problem. But anyway, it happened twice after one match each with pissed me off completely, so I booted up Chivalry.
Got onto a capture map with around 25 guys. Total swing spam fest. I'm sorry but I just can't seem to find what is so appealing to you guys after the couple of battles I fought in WotR. After the capture match, which wasn't too bad but I joined late, we went to a team deathmatch. I ended up 3 and 3, so I was doing ok, but really it was just so chaotic. The map was small, and confined, and with folks throwing things in addition to the archers, it was just very, very chaotic and I had little time to actually think much.
When that match ended we went to a free-for-all which I still can't quite understand where the fun is. Basically you run around like a chicken with your head cut off swinging at anyone and anything that comes near you before you get stabbed in the back by some guy doing what you're doing. I didn't even finish that map. I can't quite figure out how that is possibly fun.
I'm just not finding my sweet spot with Chivalry. Everytime I boot it up, I come away disappointed in it. I want to like it, I really do. I wish they could slow the pace down by about 30% or something.
Gameplay aside, your post pointed out WotR biggest handicap = server population. Both are multiplayer games and a thriving community is important. Chivalry seems to have more players, better servers and no serious stability/graphics bugs. I have no choice but to play WotR with 200 to 400 ping. And I hear high pings are actually an advantage in WotR. Hehe.
Woot!
Check it.
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As a result of our recent Facebook survey we have temporarily changed the squad spawn settings on all official servers.
Official conquest servers now have squad spawn entirely turned off.
Official TDM servers have squad spawn turned on along with "can't spawn in combat" and "spawn stunned". This means that when the squad leader is close to enemies you have to wait to spawn at their location, and when you do spawn there's a small stun-delay before you can move.
This change is made to get feedback from all you players about squad spawn settings on official servers. We will adjust these settings if needed after an initial short period of trying them out and gathering information.
The War of the Roses team would like to thank you all for assisting us in creating a fun and optimal user experience for all of our players.
Please post any feedback you may have about the subject in this thread!
Quote from: jomni on January 07, 2013, 02:53:30 AM
Gameplay aside, your post pointed out WotR biggest handicap = server population. Both are multiplayer games and a thriving community is important. Chivalry seems to have more players, better servers and no serious stability/graphics bugs. I have no choice but to play WotR with 200 to 400 ping. And I hear high pings are actually an advantage in WotR. Hehe.
I've not had a problem finding a populated server in WotR yet. *shrug* And my ping to many of the US official servers is <100. Are they all on the opposite coast to you, or something?
I think the problem is that the 36 player limit servers get filled up rather quickly and people tend to sit it out, waiting on a spot. I
have jumped into a game, waiting on a <100 ping full server, with a handful of other people on a conquest map. At least it's good for ringing up some flag cap points and some 1v1 or 1v2 stuff. All too often get hacked down by multiple people around me so it's a bit less stressful for a change.
I jumped into a few of those chaotic Chivalry free for alls too and hated them.
Quote from: Toonces on January 07, 2013, 12:26:04 AM
Unfortunately I'm one of the folks that has the terrible graphics corruption after a few matches that requires me to restart the game. The winter maps seem to exacerbate the problem. But anyway, it happened twice after one match each with pissed me off completely, so I booted up Chivalry.
I tend to get pretty noticeable fps slowdown on the winter maps. I'm wondering if their particle effects for weather are causing issues. The fps also tends to start dropping after a couple hours so there's probably some memory leakage in there too, although it takes awhile.
QuoteGot onto a capture map with around 25 guys. Total swing spam fest. I'm sorry but I just can't seem to find what is so appealing to you guys after the couple of battles I fought in WotR. After the capture match, which wasn't too bad but I joined late, we went to a team deathmatch. I ended up 3 and 3, so I was doing ok, but really it was just so chaotic. The map was small, and confined, and with folks throwing things in addition to the archers, it was just very, very chaotic and I had little time to actually think much.
When that match ended we went to a free-for-all which I still can't quite understand where the fun is. Basically you run around like a chicken with your head cut off swinging at anyone and anything that comes near you before you get stabbed in the back by some guy doing what you're doing. I didn't even finish that map. I can't quite figure out how that is possibly fun.
I'm just not finding my sweet spot with Chivalry. Everytime I boot it up, I come away disappointed in it. I want to like it, I really do. I wish they could slow the pace down by about 30% or something.
I just can't get into Chivalry's combat that much either. While you spam some swings in both, the extremely basic system in Chivalry just doesn't do it for me. There's pretty much no armor modelling - heaviest armor being a slight 'hit point' bonus - so all swings do pretty nasty damage (and make your body parts fall off no matter where they land, at times :-\).
Chivalry's combat is just too arcade for me. While the long fights in WotR need to be adjusted still (as in the upcoming patch), I'm quite happy with how detailed it is. Swinging away, only making minor hits on some heavily armored guy and finally connecting with a sword slash through his helmet visor or swinging an axe up into his loins for heavy damage feels a lot more rewarding when you pull it off. It's also more difficult for the same reasons, so it's also not for everyone, however.
I still fire Chiv up every once in awhile, but just find it too shallow for my tastes. I dunno how long I would sing the praises of WotR, however, if the devs weren't listening to customer feedback and adjusting their game mechanics appropriately, in what I believe to be the right direction.
Nefaro, I am from Asia. I usually play with Australians but there's just not enough players. We join US servers with no ping caps. Last time they implemented max ping a lot of people protested as it made the game unplayable. The game is no fun with few people. And there are only a few nicely populated servers during my play time and it gets filled pretty quickly.
Once I can't find servers, I go play Chivalry. Lol!
Quote from: jomni on January 07, 2013, 08:24:27 PM
Nefaro, I am from Asia. I usually play with Australians but there's just not enough players. We join US servers with no ping caps. Last time they implemented max ping a lot of people protested as it made the game unplayable. The game is no fun with few people. And there are only a few nicely populated servers during my play time and it gets filled pretty quickly.
Once I can't find servers, I go play Chivalry. Lol!
Ahhh! That explains it!
I've seen reports about blocks/parries not working against people with over 200ms ping but I dunno if that's an oldie that's since been fixed. Mine has generally been pretty solid but that may be on servers with ping limits. I actually feel that way when play Chiv because sometimes it seems like someone's swing starts off already halfway done, in an instant, and that can be pretty frustrating. It seems to happen most when I've already started swinging an attack and their own attack animation just pops up and hits almost immediately, in between the start and finish of my own swing. Could just be the pace of the game, but I think even somewhat high ping makes a big difference in that one, too.
I'm logging on from Honolulu, so the west coast and, in a pinch, central US servers are the only viable options. I jumped on a DC server the other day and got dropped pretty quick due to ping. I tried going on that 64 player server out of Great Britain and that just wasn't playable. I jousted a dude, we passed each other, and then about 1.5 seconds later I was instakilled when it finally registered. I checked my ping and it was something ridiculous like 400 or something like that.
I think Chivalry has about 8000 people playing compared to 1500 for WotR, or some huge disparity like that. I can't really understand it, unless it's because Chivalry was practically free during the Steam sale.
Yeah looks like US central is where the action is.
WotR community almost died the day they implemented the ping caps. I think Chivalry is relatively thriving because more people are into mindless brawling.
Quote from: Toonces on January 07, 2013, 10:28:38 PM
I think Chivalry has about 8000 people playing compared to 1500 for WotR, or some huge disparity like that. I can't really understand it, unless it's because Chivalry was practically free during the Steam sale.
It has been a good deal cheaper, for a LOT longer sale period too.
But part of it is how difficult WotR can be. With Chiv, you just click or push the scroll wheel up/down, while WotR has that Mount & Blade style combat where you gotta 'flick' the mouse in one direction, after clicking, and hold it for a more powerful blow before letting off to swing. There's a lot more to it, and it's more difficult to do in the heat of the moment. Hell, I still have problems getting my up & down blocks to work very well because I naturally hold my mouse at an angle so the directly forward & back motions are a bit odd getting used to. Toss in the extra difficulty of penetrating your target's armor, and hitting them at the weak spots in it, I can see how some people could get discouraged at first.
WotR just got it's first big update with the Melee 'balance' changes..
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We are now starting to roll out our newest free content update "Gallowglass Mercenary" on all servers and clients. Together with this we are also launching our newest balance patch with major changes to weapon and armor balance.
This means our services will be unavailable until circa 20:00 CET.
Full patch notes below.
--New Items--
*1 new Gallowglass Mail Armour with new paint options to choose.
*1 new Gallowglass Mail helmet
*3 new weapons:
Gallowglass Long Axe
Halflang Sword
Gallowglass Battle Axe
*Armour has been revamped
*Armour reduces incoming damage by...
*Cloth removes 10% damage
*Leather removes 20% damage
*Mail removes 30% damage
*Plate removes 60% damage
*Damage needs to end up over 15 to pass through and is then modified by hit zones
*Hit zone damage has been modified
*Absorbed hits no longer interrupt actions
*Weapons have had damage changes across the board and in general work as follows
*Maces pass through Armour but deal less damage overall
*Axes have the highest damage with lower speed
*Thrust damage has been reduced to compensate for Armour penetration
*Knocked down players can now be killed without executions. They have 300 hp.
--Parry Changes--
*To remove network related issues there's now a slight delay before parrying activates
*Daggers can no longer Parry incoming attacks
*Shaft hits can now be parried
--Movement--
*Overall movement speed has been raised slightly
*Double Time comes into effect sooner and reaches max speed quicker
--Perks--
*Thick Skinned perk now has slightly reduced absorption bonus
*Armour training reduces encumbrance by 25%, up from 20%
*Hardened reduces revive time by 25%, down from 80%
--Chat rework--
*Scrollable with mouse wheel
*Fixed blur
*Own name highlighted
--Fixed--
*Unmodified revive time is now 6 seconds for both reviver and revivee.
*Removed "invisible" collision on bear helmet
--Known issues--
*In some resolutions names in chat look a bit weird.
*Weapons may break too often
Regards,
The War of the Roses Team
So it's time to go back. :D
It's busted.
It went and reset all my key bindings and wiped out my custom class.
I'm done with this game.
Quote from: Silent Disapproval Robot on January 23, 2013, 08:43:27 PM
It's busted.
It went and reset all my key bindings and wiped out my custom class.
I'm done with this game.
They mentioned having to "wipe profiles" for the updates to work. Don't you still have your earnings?
If they "wipe profiles" I sure hope they give you fair market price for all the goodies and perks. Otherwise this is just bullshit. It took quite a few hours to get my guys buffed up and kitted out in their current stuff. >:(
Quote from: Toonces on January 24, 2013, 12:37:31 PM
If they "wipe profiles" I sure hope they give you fair market price for all the goodies and perks. Otherwise this is just bullshit. It took quite a few hours to get my guys buffed up and kitted out in their current stuff. >:(
Man. This isn't exactly going to be a joy for all those fans.
I haven't got the game (yet) but they'd better have some kind of plan in place to help folks get past the aggravation factor this is going to cause.
Quote from: Nefaro on January 24, 2013, 12:35:33 PM
Quote from: Silent Disapproval Robot on January 23, 2013, 08:43:27 PM
It's busted.
It went and reset all my key bindings and wiped out my custom class.
I'm done with this game.
They mentioned having to "wipe profiles" for the updates to work. Don't you still have your earnings?
I'm not sure how it's affected other people. I suspect I may just have logged in at exactly the wrong time. When I logged in, I decided I'd create a new class to try out some of the new toys so I ended up dropping about 30,000 points just toying around with a new class (who sucks by the way. Boar spear is junk with the new penetration rules.). A lot of the less important listings for weapons, armor, and perks (beveling, wood type, etc) were listed as "missing from back end" or some such. Anyway, I finished creating my new class only to discover that the servers were all down for the update so I couldn't play at that time. I came back a few hours later to find that three of my custom classes had been wiped. The game had recorded my purchases for the latest class but not for the previous two so I lost the classes and the points used in creating those first two classes.
Ok, I checked.
My custom classes are "wiped" but all the stuff I previously bought is available for free in the shop. So, for example, my 30,000GP Scottish Sword is available as an option for free- I don't have to re-buy it.
Time-consuming to rebuild those guys, but not a game-breaker. The "buy coins" option is cheezy to the max, though.
They always wipe out your profile after major upgrades. You don't need to unlock the stuff you bought again.
I do. All my previous unlocks are gone.
Quote from: Silent Disapproval Robot on January 24, 2013, 07:57:35 PM
I do. All my previous unlocks are gone.
Did you ask about it on their support forum at Pdox? They seem to frequent the place regularly. I wouldn't be surprised if that happened to others before, too.
I see this game is 55% off in the new Paradox store, but as I read the official forums I am constantly coming across references to a "dwindling" community and a dying game. Before I waste any money on WotR, is the game dying? Am I going to have a problem finding an active server? No sense buying a MP game if it doesn't have a MP community.
Dunno. I've not played the last couple weeks simply because I have so much else I've barely touched, and they've been making some drastic (and much-needed) updates to WotR lately so I have plenty else to keep me busy until they get it all up to speed.
I'm sure some others are in the same situation. A simple break while they're in the middle of updating. I still prefer this over most other action-y first-person "shooter" type games out there right now.
I am suspicious as to whether WotR might be going free to play. I've been reading about how Fatshark has recently allowed real cash to be used to purchase in-game coins, as well as how the amount of free coins you get per session has been tweaked drastically downward with the latest patch. You take all that, and the "big announcement" that is planned next week, and I can't help but to think that a F2P model might be under consideration.
But you don't need "top of the line" equipment to be good at WotR. Or maybe that will also change.
I played a bit today (buggers reset my custom class again!). There were only about a dozen servers showing that were populated but not full. Only two of those had a ping rate of less than 200 for me. I live on the west coast of N. America.
I suspect you may be right about the free-to-play, pay-to-not-suck model.
I don't like what they did time swords. Quite useless now
Quote from: jomni on January 26, 2013, 07:13:37 AM
I don't like what they did time swords. Quite useless now
Swords weren't terribly good before, other than having good reach for a 1-handed weapon and being especially easy to connect with the blade (unlike axes & polearms for example). It's damage wasn't very good and the only decent way of doing any was to spam the down-attack "stab" movement at heavy armor, or keep swinging at their face and hope to get a hit through the visor or neck armor.
From the look of it, they lowered
all weapon damage (??) and also reduced armor protection.. is that right? I've not even played the newest yet, waiting for the drastic changes to settle in because there will likely be follow-on updates.
Spears are pretty much useless for anything other than taking out mounted guys now. Even a full wind up thrust to the back usually fails to penetrate heavy armor.
Quote from: Silent Disapproval Robot on January 26, 2013, 02:55:58 AM
I played a bit today (buggers reset my custom class again!). There were only about a dozen servers showing that were populated but not full. Only two of those had a ping rate of less than 200 for me. I live on the west coast of N. America.
I suspect you may be right about the free-to-play, pay-to-not-suck model.
That is what I thought based on what I was reading in between the lines. In that case, going F2P would probably be the best thing. I've tried a bunch of F2P games and they don't have to be bad experiences (but most are :))). I enjoy Blacklight: Retribution, Hawken, MechWarrior Online, and Lord of the Rings Online (but LotRO can be a pain) for example. It helps that I am a casual gamer who doesn't get overly invested in any particular game, though. Still, F2P can be a good, especially for multiplayer games that might not otherwise get a sufficient base to make it popular. WotR seems like the perfect candidate for that.
Quote from: Silent Disapproval Robot on January 26, 2013, 04:44:51 PM
Spears are pretty much useless for anything other than taking out mounted guys now. Even a full wind up thrust to the back usually fails to penetrate heavy armor.
I thought spears were quite useless before, since they only had a 'Down' attack (the thrust). Once your opponent realizes you're using a spear, all they have to do is repeatedly block down.
I was pretty stoked to have a couple spears to choose from, that could be used with a shield. Until I realized this fatal flaw when using them. It only worked on noobs who didn't realize that you could only attack one direction, and it could be easily parried without much thought. :-[ I think it should've at least got an 'Up' attack for an overhead thrust, as in Mount & Blade, at the least.
The left, right swings were pretty useless but the overhead chop wasn't too bad. Prior to the latest patch, spears were quite effective at taking out guys in plate with a running thrust. They were useless in one-on-one fights, but great as a support weapon where you could dart in and stab someone in the side or back while they were tangling with someone else. Now they can't even do that.
I use to depend on super fast side swinging with short swords. Now the tactic does not work anymore.
I've changed to axes or mace now.
Quote from: Silent Disapproval Robot on January 26, 2013, 11:49:06 PM
The left, right swings were pretty useless but the overhead chop wasn't too bad. Prior to the latest patch, spears were quite effective at taking out guys in plate with a running thrust. They were useless in one-on-one fights, but great as a support weapon where you could dart in and stab someone in the side or back while they were tangling with someone else. Now they can't even do that.
You're talking about Pole-arms. I was specifically talking about the two spears (literally) that are available. The ones you can only use a 'down' attack with, and no other. Or did they change that in this last update?
I'm talking about spears. The Boar Spear and the other one (can't remember the name). You can swing it any way you like. You could do that before as well, there was just no point to doing so.
Quote from: Silent Disapproval Robot on January 27, 2013, 10:51:55 PM
I'm talking about spears. The Boar Spear and the other one (can't remember the name). You can swing it any way you like. You could do that before as well, there was just no point to doing so.
Right, but even if you clicked and move right/left/up, it would still do a down 'thrust' move, no matter which way. So, in effect, it would only do that 1 same attack move out of four, unlike every other weapon in the game. You weren't actually attacking up/L/R even though that activated the down attack. And all a defender had to do was block down before you hit.
Swung left and right for me when I did it. Just never did any damage. (pretty much like every other weapon in the game really.)
Isn't just me or are there less populated servers now? I played a game yesterday where almost 90% of players have ping of 300+ including myself. ;D and the ping indicated in the server browser gives strand e number 400 to 1000 ping.
A Kingmaker Edition will soon be released.
This is a "gold" edition and will contain all the previous expansions including exclusive armor. Two new team based games will be released, Assault and Assault Castle. Also a free demo will be released next Wednesday.
Quote from: LongBlade on February 01, 2013, 10:10:13 AM
A Kingmaker Edition will soon be released.
This is a "gold" edition and will contain all the previous expansions including exclusive armor. Two new team based games will be released, Assault and Assault Castle. Also a free demo will be released next Wednesday.
I knew they were planning some sort of free content!
QuoteA free trial version of War of the Roses is also planned for release February 6, which will allow anyone to download and play the game without cost. The trial version will include access to all online battles, enabling aspiring warriors to fight alongside all existing players – paid or trial. The trial version will limit players by disallowing any unlocks, giving access only to the game's base classes and weapons, giving trial players a chance to live true knighthood.
Good! It was the F2P weekend for Chivalry that got a purchase from me and lots of others, so maybe this will do some good for WotR as well. Can't wait to give it a try!
Good God.
Why does this damn game redownload nearly the whole effing thing every time it updates?! I'm about ready to just uninstall the damn thing while I'm not playing it, so that Steam isn't constantly downloading 2+GB every week or two. >:(
Haven't played this for a long time. what's the status of the game?
I tried a few rounds yesterday to see what they'd added/changed. It was dead. I live on the west coast of N. America and I could only find 2 servers with more than 3 people and a ping of less than 350. Gameplay hasn't seemed to have changed much. I'm less than impressed with the price of the new items they've added. Either you grind every day for a few months to get them or you'll have to throw some more cash at the game.
War of the Roses now 75% off, or $5. I bit.
Quote from: Silent Disapproval Robot on February 28, 2013, 09:00:15 PM
I tried a few rounds yesterday to see what they'd added/changed. It was dead. I live on the west coast of N. America and I could only find 2 servers with more than 3 people and a ping of less than 350. Gameplay hasn't seemed to have changed much. I'm less than impressed with the price of the new items they've added. Either you grind every day for a few months to get them or you'll have to throw some more cash at the game.
Were you the one who often had problems finding games in the past, too? Or am I thinking of someone else?
I've not tried it since the last update, only because I'm rarely in a First-Person Shooter/Slasher mood. I'd be very sad to find that there's only a handful of people on at any one time on the US servers when I got the itch again.
Not me.
God damned game is updating again today.
Why does it have to re-download the entire game each time it updates? It's ridiculous.
Quote from: Silent Disapproval Robot on March 01, 2013, 11:25:21 AM
Not me.
God damned game is updating again today.
Why does it have to re-download the entire game each time it updates? It's ridiculous.
I've noticed that games I own, when they go on one of these free weekend specials, tend to get an update before and after said weekend. But whichever dev is managing the updates for the game must just be uploading the whole damn game each time - or most of it. >:(
I think Steam has made some companies rather sloppy about their updates. You wouldn't see update executables of 2.6GB size every month when they had to send it to a few different places. :o
Quote from: Silent Disapproval Robot on February 28, 2013, 09:00:15 PM
I tried a few rounds yesterday to see what they'd added/changed. It was dead. I live on the west coast of N. America and I could only find 2 servers with more than 3 people and a ping of less than 350. Gameplay hasn't seemed to have changed much. I'm less than impressed with the price of the new items they've added. Either you grind every day for a few months to get them or you'll have to throw some more cash at the game.
Glad I never forked over money for this title for just that reason. Chivalry: Medieval Warfare might be buggy, but at least there are plenty of full servers on any given day. Shame, because I always thought WotR looked like a decent game.
It's a lot busier now that it's a free weekend but the few rounds I played were basically a bunch of regulars on horseback slaughtering new players over and over again. That and a bazillion archers all spamming flame arrows everywhere.
Quote from: Silent Disapproval Robot on March 02, 2013, 05:40:03 PM
It's a lot busier now that it's a free weekend but the few rounds I played were basically a bunch of regulars on horseback slaughtering new players over and over again. That and a bazillion archers all spamming flame arrows everywhere.
Ah same old story. Maybe I should go back archer hunting on my horse. ;D
Quote from: Silent Disapproval Robot on March 02, 2013, 05:40:03 PM
It's a lot busier now that it's a free weekend but the few rounds I played were basically a bunch of regulars on horseback slaughtering new players over and over again. That and a bazillion archers all spamming flame arrows everywhere.
Are the archers still Easy Mode?
War of the Roses at Gamestop for 4.98 with promo discount and sale right now. I caved...couldn't resist.