I'm not really thinking about getting Windows 8 until I buy a new machine (probably 2014)...but I was wondering - if I did get Windows 8 and a touch screen - what would current strategy mouse activated games work like?
Would you really be able to click the screen and move a unit to a new hex?
How would double clicking work? Double tapping?
What about right clicking?
I'm inrtuiged to know if current games would work (as I guess it's just MS turning the touch screen into a "mouse pad").
Having said that - would it be cmfortable - reaching to your "vertically standing monitor to move units? Surely your arm would get tired?
I've seen people who've changed the orientation of thier monitors from vertical to more prone at like a 45 degree angle. That way you don't have to reach.
For me, I'd like to try a large touch screen for use with the DCS flight sims.
I've been using Windows 8 since it was released to manufacturers, and I really prefer it now. As an IT person, I can do what I need to do quicker.
I don't see why you'd use the touch features on it, unless it's specifically on some touch tablet. Which would be nice, having a full Windows OS on one, but it'd also be too pricey for my frugal ass.
I just ordered an 15" Acer 'Ultrabook' for when I'll often be laid up the next couple months and made sure I got Win7 on it so I don't have to deal with some of the current compatibility issues in Win8. I'll probably stick with Win7 until they get that MS curse of every other OS being a PoS. So look to Win9 in the future, young man!
Well - they do say "every other" MS OS is a good build...the previous ones being the test bed. Windows 7 being the decent build for the testbed Vista, Windows 8 being the testbed for ?
I really don't want to be 'touching' my monitor a lot... lol.. bad enough with tablets, but they are small and convient, so it's the way to go..
But for PC. I prefer the good old mouse...
I should break down and get Air Display for my tablet so I can use it for Switch Panels, like Jomni posted on an earlier thread..
You guys were asking about the future of gaming on a tablet - we just published a review of a Bulge game on the iPad which might share some ideas.
http://grogheads.com/forums/index.php?topic=4493.msg0#new
Touch screen should be fun for DCS A-10, Falcon and FSx.
Hold you horses with Air display. It stopped working on my iPad and we don't have a solution yet. Half of the reviews say it does not work.
Quote from: JudgeDredd on January 23, 2013, 10:18:06 AM
Well - they do say "every other" MS OS is a good build...the previous ones being the test bed. Windows 7 being the decent build for the testbed Vista, Windows 8 being the testbed for ?
Windows F*** Y** - when they dont let you play anything that hasnt been bought via the windows store.
^ say what?
Quote from: JudgeDredd on January 24, 2013, 04:59:31 AM
^ say what?
I have windows 8 - and believe me - thats where they are going with this. They have a fairly un - obvious button to access the desktop currently - maybe not the next version but the one after that I would not be at all surprised if its not there.
:( sorry ... not sure what I did.
..double post
lol Zulu - ok - point taken! ;)
Do you really think though that you waon't be able to run "normal" or "other" games or however you want to class them on a future Windows machine?
I thought their touch screen and new layout was really more from a usability view as peoples touchpads and phones pretty much look very similar
Quote from: JudgeDredd on January 24, 2013, 05:22:26 AM
lol Zulu - ok - point taken! ;)
Do you really think though that you waon't be able to run "normal" or "other" games or however you want to class them on a future Windows machine?
I thought their touch screen and new layout was really more from a usability view as peoples touchpads and phones pretty much look very similar
I quote ...
"The Surface comes in two versions: one with Windows RT and another with Windows 8 Pro. The Windows RT model uses an ARM CPU, while the Windows 8 Pro model will use an Intel CPU.[8][9] Both models are able to install new applications via the Windows Store, however only the Windows 8 Pro model allows the installation of traditional third-party desktop programs."
Windows RT - is what microsoft see as their future. Windows pro was to lessen the howels of derision. It may take a few years but RT will be the norm in the future (but running intel CPU's). The new interface is anything but a bit of window dressing as far as I am concerned and you have to code specifically for it to get it to run from that interface. Its their plan - and as far as an apple killer goes its a good one. For consumers less so. Take for example what they have done with XNA. Probably the finest game creation architecture ever written. They have ended support for it as far as RT goes but this is only because I beleive they are building their own Xcode for the surface and RT os.
So.. in the future, Microsoft is taking a decidedly Apple-like tack by locking down what can be installed on their devices, so that you're always forced to go through their company??
F*** that!
Quote from: Nefaro on January 24, 2013, 12:38:18 PM
So.. in the future, Microsoft is taking a decidedly Apple-like tack by locking down what can be installed on their devices, so that you're always forced to go through their company??
F*** that!
This is an amazingly dumb move. One of the best reasons for not using an Apple OS was the open platform Windows offered.
Dumb, dumb, dumb.
The question is, what will replace it? I'm guessing Linux-based gaming rigs will take over. Regardless, nature abhores a vacuum. Who knows? Maybe Apple will fill the breach. All I know is that something will replace Windows.
Quote from: LongBlade on January 24, 2013, 12:44:22 PM
Quote from: Nefaro on January 24, 2013, 12:38:18 PM
So.. in the future, Microsoft is taking a decidedly Apple-like tack by locking down what can be installed on their devices, so that you're always forced to go through their company??
F*** that!
This is an amazingly dumb move. One of the best reasons for not using an Apple OS was the open platform Windows offered.
Dumb, dumb, dumb.
The question is, what will replace it? I'm guessing Linux-based gaming rigs will take over. Regardless, nature abhores a vacuum. Who knows? Maybe Apple will fill the breach. All I know is that something will replace Windows.
It may seem dumb - but if you look at the numbers they have to do something to keep their profits up. This is about money only and not users. They have seen if you follow the apple model you can make a hell of a lot of money. Its even better for MS as they have the existing OS base people will one day have to convert from. Microsoft make very little money overall from games - but that will change if they move like apple and sell everything through an app store. I am not saying its imminent but thats where I see them heading. Personally I think people will just have to lump it. Unless another player comes into the market with deep pockets. Steam have already plowed a big wedge of cash into linux but I am not sure their pockets are deep enough. I think from MS point of view also the majority of PC's are used by busniess and people who just want to surf the internet and write word documents.
I have Win 8 that came installed on a non-touch capable laptop.
The overall navigation, and getting to the "old" desktop took some getting used to....but I had the same disorientation everytime I upgraded to a new version of Windows.
My biggest issue has been getting my older games to run. The security model is much "tighter" under Windows 8, so it has taken some mucking around to get them to work.
Some issues I have seen:
-Gamers gate installers don't work (even if run as admin), unless I manually create the install directory first.
-GOG's version of Combat Mission Beyond Normandy runs very slow May be a video card issue.
-Gamers Gate site won't run. Very bizarre. Even if I try under IE, Firefox or Opera. Even if I turn off anti-virus and firewalls. I can use the Gamers Gate downloaders however. Since the problem is across browsers, I am thinking it is some sort issue with the security model again. Site is asking browser to do something....Win8 won't allow
-Matrix Games Troy won't run from the Matrix menu. Have to run directly from the executable file.
Games running well:
-Distant Worlds, no issues
-War in the Pacific, no issues
-Total War Medieval II, under Steam, no issues
-JT WWI and Austerlitz no issues
-GOG games, Icewind Dale II, Age of Wonders, Mob Rule, Warlords Battlecry 3, Alpha Centari and Imperialism I and II all running well.
THAT is the primary reason I don't plan to use Win8 right now. Compatibility problems. I didn't have those switching from Vista to Win7, obviously, so that was an easy switch.
I already turn off Win7's extra annoying security bullshit, so why would I want to deal with even more in the next one (which also happens to cause serious compatibility issues with some of my current software)?
Thanks for the intel, Arizona. That is not encouraging.
Thankfully, I haven't had those Gamersgate issues. I haven't any problems really, other than the initial disorientation Arizona mentions. Everything that worked in Windows 7 has worked fine for me in Windows 8.
I have had no issues as well. Everything with gamersgate has been fine, plus all my other games have had no issues. The ui takes some getting use to, but no major issues for me. Anytime that I had issues in the past with gamersgate turned out to be Internet security software related.
You'd think they'd have learned their lesson when they beat Apple years ago.. Apple was a much better product, but Microsoft Dos worked on lots of PC's so there was price competition with many vendors making PC's that could run their product...
They won because of the competitive pricing.. they Lock themselves down and Linux may bet a rise..
Quote from: Tuna on January 24, 2013, 08:12:39 PMthey Lock themselves down and Linux may bet a rise..
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I've been half-expecting MS to try locking down stuff in small steps, but past talk of it seemed to scare them from venturing too far in that direction. I certainly expect Linux to start increasing in market share in direct proportion to how much dickery MS commits regarding this subject.
Which reminds me.. perhaps on the next rig I build, I'll leave a partition for jacking with Ubuntu. Best to be prepared. ;)
Why wait? Dual boot now.
Quote from: Staggerwing on January 24, 2013, 10:40:51 PM
Why wait? Dual boot now.
I actually have a small partition set aside, with nothing on it, right now. Just haven't felt like messing with it just yet.
In case anyone is confused, Windows Defender is different for 8 than 7, it includes anti virus
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows-8/protect-pc#1TC=t1