http://www.9news.com/news/article/371498/339/Pot-sales-exceed-1-million-on-first-day (http://www.9news.com/news/article/371498/339/Pot-sales-exceed-1-million-on-first-day)
Taxes, farming/greenhouse operations, employement .... won't be long before many other states follow suit
we should have a betting pool for which states hold out longest. its got to be either Florida or Texas.
Once it sinks in with the government how much of a potential tax cow this is, there will be debate on making this legal.
Geez, if they legalized the whole shebang, Texas cross-border traffic would come to a standstill. The cartels in Juarez and elsewhere would dry up and blow away like autumn leaves.
and how do you tax something that you can grow at home?
granted its not easy and the same could be said for produce.
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on January 03, 2014, 12:33:08 PM
and how do you tax something that you can grow at home?
granted its not easy and the same could be said for produce.
Same thing with tobacco or alcohol. It will probably end up that you're allowed to grow so much for personal use in a given year. I think we have some law in Maine that limits how much beer or alcohol you're allowed to make on your own in a given year. I doubt enforcement is real strict though.
its a surprisingly difficult plant to grow.
Quote from: Banzai_Cat on January 03, 2014, 12:30:40 PM
Once it sinks in with the government how much of a potential tax cow this is, there will be debate on making this legal....
I submitted a college research paper in 1967 presenting the advantages of legalizing marijuana but nobody paid any attention to it. It was probably too soon for its time.
Quote from: mirth on January 03, 2014, 12:46:58 PM
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on January 03, 2014, 12:33:08 PM
and how do you tax something that you can grow at home?
granted its not easy and the same could be said for produce.
Same thing with tobacco or alcohol. It will probably end up that you're allowed to grow so much for personal use in a given year. I think we have some law in Maine that limits how much beer or alcohol you're allowed to make on your own in a given year. I doubt enforcement is real strict though.
It's been 20 years since I homebrewed but back then there was no monitoring of how much malt I bought.
However, I was only buying like five pounds at a time in clearly individual lots. Had I requested a couple of tons I suspect folks would have taken notice.
Home growing, however, could be different. Once it's legal what's the point of worrying whether you've got one plant or an entire back yard? Much like alcohol we'll probably figure out a way to allow for personal cultivation, but at some point the issue of lost tax revenue will drive where the law will define excessive amounts.
On the positive side of legalizing, it will be nice to put the cartels out of business, or at least make a big dent in their revenue. The unintended consequences will be inevitable. An uptick in violence south of the border will be a given, but I wonder what else could happen we're not expecting?
As for the last states to hold out against legalizing? My bet is on South Carolina.
QuoteMuch like alcohol we'll probably figure out a way to allow for personal cultivation
that parts been figured out for a while. ;) its still not an easy thing as not every plant grows what you want and there is a level of gardening knowledge thats needed. I suspect most people wont bother with it the same way most people dont home brew beer.
as for whats excessive, that scales been around for a while. the law considers any plant to be able to produce X amount for a given size. so if your caught with 20 plants but only allowed 1 pound your going to get in trouble.
or so Ive read. ::)
NSA uplink to the ATF in 5, 4, 3...
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on January 03, 2014, 12:24:05 PM
we should have a betting pool for which states hold out longest. its got to be either Florida or Texas.
Nebraska. We be stodgy bastards hereabouts.
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on January 03, 2014, 02:51:17 PM
QuoteMuch like alcohol we'll probably figure out a way to allow for personal cultivation
that parts been figured out for a while. ;) its still not an easy thing as not every plant grows what you want and there is a level of gardening knowledge thats needed. I suspect most people wont bother with it the same way most people dont home brew beer.
as for whats excessive, that scales been around for a while. the law considers any plant to be able to produce X amount for a given size. so if your caught with 20 plants but only allowed 1 pound your going to get in trouble.
or so Ive read. ::)
Much like other products which were once illegal then went legit its going to come to quality, consistency and marketing. Typically all associated with larger organizations. I suspect that we will be seeing tobacco and alcohol industries begin to muscle out the mom and pop hippy joints. Its going to allow Budweiser to use their catch phrase in all sorts of new ways. This Buds for you!
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Alabama will be the last state to legalize. There's a church on every corner and a moralist ready to send you to the fiery pits of hell in each pulpit.
My money's on Kansas as the final domino... unless it goes to the county level and then there will be a number of states with permanent 'smokeless counties', probably matched up closely with contemporary 'dry counties'.
we need a chart!
Who's got a rolling paper?
Or maybe we need a board game where you start a small pot farm and have to navigate a tricky path through distribution methods, consumer economics, ridiculously complicated bureaucratic rules, corrupt local enforcement officials, and hostile fundi preacher/politicians; all the while competing with other farmers to become the ultimate purveyor of the finest Tetrahydrocannabinol products to a grateful nation...
Sweet Leaf: The Game
or you could just play Grand Theft Auto.
There's a board game version? I need to get out more.
Dr Q is right Nebraska is usually 10 or so years behind everyone else.
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on January 03, 2014, 12:24:05 PM
we should have a betting pool for which states hold out longest. its got to be either Florida or Texas.
which evr has the largest organized crime involvement in politics will hold out the longest
Quote from: Greybriar on January 03, 2014, 02:28:09 PM
Quote from: Banzai_Cat on January 03, 2014, 12:30:40 PM
Once it sinks in with the government how much of a potential tax cow this is, there will be debate on making this legal....
I submitted a college research paper in 1967 presenting the advantages of legalizing marijuana but nobody paid any attention to it. It was probably too soon for its time.
still got it???? That would be solid gold now. And with your cred... talk show circuit for you GrainDryer
Quote from: Staggerwing on January 03, 2014, 07:23:30 PM
Or maybe we need a board game where you start a small pot farm and have to navigate a tricky path through distribution methods, consumer economics, ridiculously complicated bureaucratic rules, corrupt local enforcement officials, and hostile fundi preacher/politicians; all the while competing with other farmers to become the ultimate purveyor of the finest Tetrahydrocannabinol products to a grateful nation...
Sweet Leaf: The Game
LOL - I'll buy it............once I land again after flying around this giant purple sunflower........
Quote from: Windigo on January 06, 2014, 05:18:54 PM
Quote from: Greybriar on January 03, 2014, 02:28:09 PM
Quote from: Banzai_Cat on January 03, 2014, 12:30:40 PM
Once it sinks in with the government how much of a potential tax cow this is, there will be debate on making this legal....
I submitted a college research paper in 1967 presenting the advantages of legalizing marijuana but nobody paid any attention to it. It was probably too soon for its time.
still got it???? That would be solid gold now. And with your cred... talk show circuit for you GrainDryer
I haven't seen that paper since I submitted it. And no talk show host for me, thanks anyway. I'd rather smoke the pot than talk about it, but I haven't even done that for ages. ;)
^Sure you haven't ;)
http://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/25356/stoner-city
http://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/26905/reefer-city
...and of course...
http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/4294.html
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Feds 'n' Heads
This classic board game was printed in Playboy magazine's September 1971 issue. Written and illustrated by Gilbert Sheldon, creator of the Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers, the aim of the game is to score a kilo of grass and get back home. One fun feature is that once the dice have been rolled, the player can choose in which direction they which to move.
Weed! The Card Game
This simple game has players using cards to fill their "garden" with plants. The game entails multiple rounds, with players scoring each round based on how many buds they were able to grow.
Stoner Fluxx
From the creators of the popular Fluxx card game, Stoner Fluxx follows the same basic formula, with the rules of the game constantly changing as cards are played. This game is easy to learn and stays fun over repeated plays. The theme is very potcentric, with the 84 cards having names like "Special Brownies," "Loaded Bowl," "The Bill of Rights," and "Snack your way to Victory."
Pot Smugglin' Blues
Based around smuggling boatloads of bud into the US from the Caribbean, this game is drawn from the true-life experiences of the creator, who designed the game while serving time in US and Colombian prisons.
Although highly realistic, the game is also complex and best suited for serious gamers who enjoy detail and accuracy in their rules. But for the heavily stoned, just figuring out how to play could be too much work.
Weed Wars
This is a great game. It's easy to play, has great art and is lots of fun. The goal is to raise one million dollars through buying, growing and selling weed.
The Official Dealer McDope Dealing Game
With art by the late great Dave Sheridan, this 1971 game may be the most famous pot-related board game of all time. Players travel the board, buying and selling bud, hash and cocaine in an effort to raise one million dollars.
Trafficking
Created during the 1980's, this game sold well in Canada but was essentially banned from the US market during the Reagan era. Now the game has been reprinted and should once again be available at a headshop near you.
Grass
This card game has also become a stoner staple since its launch in 1979. Still available at most fine headshops, the goal of Grass is to make a bunch of money by dealing marijuana, while messing up your opponents' success. Players try to play "Peddle Cards" while avoiding being busted by various Heat Cards from other players.
Oh, wait...
QuoteWARNING!
One sad aspect to all these games (except Grass) is that every single one mentions in the instructions that they do not advocate any illegal activities, and that you don't need to smoke pot to enjoy the game. The warning on Grass is different, reminding gamers that "Smoking causes lung cancer, heart disease and emphysema." It's unfortunate that even games about ganja, made by stoners and for stoners, still require this kind of hypocritical notice.
So, does your sig line apply to the post above? ;)
Quote from: MetalDog on January 06, 2014, 10:09:37 PM
So, does your sig line apply to the post above? ;)
What do you think? ;D
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^ Nice one...
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Boogers and ear hair?? Get that drug away from me!
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on January 03, 2014, 12:24:05 PM
we should have a betting pool for which states hold out longest. its got to be either Florida or Texas.
I'm in. I take Utah.
Quote from: Windigo on January 06, 2014, 05:17:11 PM
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on January 03, 2014, 12:24:05 PM
we should have a betting pool for which states hold out longest. its got to be either Florida or Texas.
which evr has the largest organized crime involvement in politics will hold out the longest
So you're taking Rhode Island?
Quote from: Centurion40 on January 07, 2014, 10:47:26 AM
Quote from: Windigo on January 06, 2014, 05:17:11 PM
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on January 03, 2014, 12:24:05 PM
we should have a betting pool for which states hold out longest. its got to be either Florida or Texas.
which evr has the largest organized crime involvement in politics will hold out the longest
So you're taking Rhode Island?
if that's the case... yes
How long before the fed makes it legal?
Quote from: pawelj on January 14, 2014, 08:24:13 AM
How long before the fed makes it legal?
Within ten years.
Quote from: LongBlade on January 14, 2014, 09:34:16 AM
Quote from: pawelj on January 14, 2014, 08:24:13 AM
How long before the fed makes it legal?
Within ten years.
Really? Whats your thinking on this? (note this is not AGW so I have no dogs in this hunt ;D)
Quote from: Windigo on January 14, 2014, 10:03:48 AM
Really? Whats your thinking on this?
My gut tells me that within the next ten years we'll see a sweep of states legalizing it, and at some point it will have a tipping point that will reflect a shift in national political thinking.
The key will be a successful roll-out in Colorado. If it can be taxed properly. If the cartels can be kept out of corrupting the system (which is debatable: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/01/11/colorado-pot-shops-likely-targets-cartels-say-experts/). We'll probably have a Supreme Court ruling about it vis-a-vis states' rights, too.
Some of the next steps in the pot legalization business are already being planned http://finance.yahoo.com/news/cannabis-could-next-great-us-125157174.html