DOOM

[Haerdalas]

Thanks, will do my turn now. Looks like despite everything I actually woke up fairly early, so I guess we could have gone for a smaller delay... ah well, I wasnt sure if I would be awake before mid day, so I went with a cautious amount of time. Sorry once again for this.

[Wingedflamez]

Sorry guys. I threw another delay on, I ment to get my turn done last night, but got distracted playing king of dragon pass until I passed out at the keyboard. I am going to try to get it done this afternoon though.

[Phobos]

Been preoccupied with BG:EE beta testing.  Getting continually reamed by giant trolls atm.  Does not appear as buggy as the first game.  If this game has not concluded by mid November, you'll need to find a sub for my position.  I'll be prioritising Dom4 and BG2.

[Wingedflamez]

OK I need some assistance here.  I messaged phobos about it and he had the same battle report as well, So I looked it up, and its an identified bug.  Whenever wrathful skies and mists of deception are cast together it is impossible for the opponent to win.

Mists of deception does not end when the caster is no longer on the battlefield, which means that there are always units on the map which means at best the opponent runs into the 50 turn combat limit.  This includes if the side which cast the spell routs completely.

That just happened to me this turn.  I am not sure what to do about it at this point.   I am willing to play on, but I do not expect to be able to compete anymore.  I spent the last 3 turns preparing for this particular attack, constructing particular items, and summoning specific units.  Half of that preparation was lost in this attack, for no gain, and This was pretty much my one shot at punching through this hole.

I'm not trying to complain, I just don't know what to do about this, since there is no way to get around it. I am not calling exploit, I don't think phobos did it on purpose, but I would like some input on it.

EDIT: This is the forum thread I learned this from.  http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=35991

[Haerdalas]

Hmm... I think perhaps if Phobos agreed to let you take the province this turn/next turn without a fight in recognition of the fact you would have won if not for the bug. Afterwards, I think we would have to ask Phobos to not use those two spells together again, as that is fairly clearly an exploit (although I doubt he knew about it) and continuing to use them now that he -does- know about the bug would be quite unfair.

This is unfortunate, but I don't think the loss of any one army, even your main one, should automatically remove you from contention. You are still one of the three largest nations around.

[Wingedflamez]

It's mainly the cost of loss to me and the lack of loss on the other side. There were 3 key targets that I set up specifically to eliminate in this battle. The situation I set up will be difficult to emulate. And none of those units were destroyed.  Also it would be very difficult to allow me to take the location without a fight. Because of the setup that was established.

And you are right, I was exaggerating, and frustrated.

Also if someone else would check into this, the original identification was in 2004, and I know it was red flagged to be fixed, but I couldn't find anything saying it had been fixed.

[alastair]

That exploit/thread was around the last time I played, and I thought it had been fixed by now.  I'm pretty sure it had been set so that MoD doesn't continue indefinitely, but if that is not the case, definitely an exploit.  I suspect that CBM might have carried it through.

[Phobos]

The battle replay is the bug, not the outcome of the battle.

The replay did not show the effect of my global on the battle, plus there were units missing from the replay that should have taken part in the battle.  The bulk of Shinuyama's force was low morale goblins, which have lower morale under Dark Skies.  Once Wrathful Skies starts hitting half of the battlefield, they run away fairly quickly, leaving summoned Air Elementals to take out any survivors.

I did not put Mists of Deception in my script.  Just a lot of Thunder Wards and Thunder Strikes, as well as the Storm/Stormpower/Wrathful Skies/Living Air set up.

edit:  There were also casualties in the replay, that were alive and patrolling when I brought up the map for this turn. 

[Haerdalas]

Well I'm confused....

[undercovergeek]

hmmm this ended an MP game over at Desura with me and Ogaburan and another guy - the other guy completely destroyed my army on the replay, but the game itself on the next turn had him lose the battle, lost all his generals and his magic goodies scattered to the winds - he wasnt happy to say the least, and left, i was accused of cheating so i left - it was proved by the Dominions Gods to be a replay bug - the replay cannot and should not be taken to be the law - but the game engine and the results posted on the next turn are the real results

[Haerdalas]

Ok then... what were the real results then? How much did each side lose?

[Wingedflamez]

Like I said, I'm not going to quit over this.  I am frustrated by the loss, but if phobos didn't script MoD, then it is a replay bug. Which is very annoying. But I accept the loss if the replay is busted.  And I do apologize for my outburst about not being competitive I was really stressed when I posted that about more than the game.

I hope they are able to fix these sorts of problems in dom4.

[alastair]

One of the air queens autocasts MoD, I think

[alastair]

Going to be gone through sunday.  Realllly need an extension.

[parone]

48 hour extension...

when WAS the last time this game hosted?!?