Why the Death of the Tank is Greatly Exaggerated

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Windigo

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October 23, 2013, 09:41:30 PM
Thanks for that Iced T
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DicedT

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October 23, 2013, 10:13:17 PM
That's DicedT. IcedT is my really cool cousin!

Windigo

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October 23, 2013, 10:15:14 PM
Quote from: DicedT on October 23, 2013, 10:13:17 PM
That's DicedT. IcedT is my really cool cousin!


Keep that up and I'll get BoB in here to deliver your some punishment
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bayonetbrant

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October 24, 2013, 05:37:51 AM
There was a good summation of the 'death of the tank' and the leapfrog of tank-ATGM in one of the interludes between short stories in Drake's original Hammer's Slammers book.  Many of the same concepts (without the specific historical examples, b/c Drake was writing sci-fi) are elaborated on in that mini-chapter in his book.
Drake's experience was formed in large part by serving with the 11th ACR in Vietnam, so he saw things up-close in action.
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DicedT

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October 24, 2013, 08:39:28 AM
Didn't one of Jerry Pournelle's Mercenary stories have unsupported tanks being destroyed by Valkenberg(?)'s infantry?

Michael

LongBlade

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October 24, 2013, 08:43:55 AM
Quote from: bayonetbrant on October 24, 2013, 05:37:51 AM
There was a good summation of the 'death of the tank' and the leapfrog of tank-ATGM in one of the interludes between short stories in Drake's original Hammer's Slammers book.  Many of the same concepts (without the specific historical examples, b/c Drake was writing sci-fi) are elaborated on in that mini-chapter in his book.
Drake's experience was formed in large part by serving with the 11th ACR in Vietnam, so he saw things up-close in action.

Funny, but I'm reading Hammer's Slammers right now.
All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost;
The old that is strong does not wither,
Deep roots are not reached by the frost.

bayonetbrant

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October 24, 2013, 08:57:33 AM
^^ the original?  or one of the full-length novels?
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LongBlade

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October 24, 2013, 09:09:34 AM
Quote from: bayonetbrant on October 24, 2013, 08:57:33 AM
^^ the original?  or one of the full-length novels?

I bought a used library copy of "The Complete Hammer's Slammers Volume One" on Amazon for like $3 or something. About half way through. It's a bunch of short stories, but well done.
All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost;
The old that is strong does not wither,
Deep roots are not reached by the frost.

bayonetbrant

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October 24, 2013, 09:55:43 AM
That's the original stories.  Many of them were published in magazines before being collected into the original book in the mid-80s.  The new "complete" collection is 3 softcovers that include multiple novels plus all the short stories.  The shorts are the real meat of the series, but I personally loved the novel "The Sharp End".  The other novels were kinda 'meh' to me.

And David Drake lives about 20-30 minutes down the road from me over in Chapel Hill.
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Windigo

#10
October 24, 2013, 10:29:03 AM
I wanted this one for a while... now the price has dropped so I'll get it!!!!!!
... seems it was full price forever
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W8taminute

#11
October 24, 2013, 02:24:43 PM
Tanks for the memories guys.


Interesting article.  I'm no war expert but I'm pretty sure even today when an infantryman comes up against a tank he still feels some terror in his heart.  Even if he has an anti tank missile. 
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bayonetbrant

#12
October 24, 2013, 02:50:24 PM
A longbowman could take down a medieval knight.  Pretty sure a fair number of them shit their pants in the process, however.  The shock factor should not be overlooked.

To Mike's article: I found it interesting that some anti-armor rabble-rousers would point out that in Iraq, there were very few engagements involving US tanks after the summer of '03, despite having several hundred of them in-theater at any one time. 
Some folks saw it as a sign of obsolescence.
The thinking half of the proletariat recognized that it was a testament to the deterrent power of THE TANK. 
When the US parked a tank somewhere to secure a location, that sucker was secure, because everyone gave it a wide berth. 
No one wanted to f%$# with THE TANK, and no one wanted to get f%$#ed with by THE TANK. 
That's not obsolescence.  That's scaring the crap out of people into leaving you alone.
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GDS_Starfury

#13
October 24, 2013, 03:03:43 PM
QuoteEven if he has an anti tank missile. 

I remember reading somewhere that Army SOP if shit came rolling down Fulda was to let the tank just get into the lines and then hit it with no less then 12 LAWs.  12 LAWs to maybe take out a T-72.
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Windigo

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October 24, 2013, 03:06:02 PM

Quote from: bayonetbrant on October 24, 2013, 02:50:24 PM
A longbowman could take down a medieval knight.  Pretty sure a fair number of them shit their pants in the process, however.  The shock factor should not be overlooked.

To Mike's article: I found it interesting that some anti-armor rabble-rousers would point out that in Iraq, there were very few engagements involving US tanks after the summer of '03, despite having several hundred of them in-theater at any one time. 
Some folks saw it as a sign of obsolescence.
The thinking half of the proletariat recognized that it was a testament to the deterrent power of THE TANK. 
When the US parked a tank somewhere to secure a location, that sucker was secure, because everyone gave it a wide berth. 
No one wanted to f%$# with THE TANK, and no one wanted to get f%$#ed with by THE TANK. 
That's not obsolescence.  That's scaring the crap out of people into leaving you alone.

I hears similar stories with the L2 with Canadian Forces
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