2 more mystery Paradox titles

[Nefaro]

I suppose you play HOI, CKII and EU and get caught in the map and gameplay theyve created - i think everyone was looking for a fantasy CKII/EU or at least something grand strategy

I wasn't looking forward to fantasy or something odd using the system.

However I haven't found myself looking forward to any WW2 game in a long time.  The glut of them over the decades did me in.   Unlike a large chunk of war & strategy gamers, I never had an overwhelming need to have that first and foremost before all else.  When I see people popping into message forums for other games set in the Classical or World War One era, and their first request is a WW2 version, I have no words to describe my epic facepalm.  So I just accuse them all of being Third Reich fanboys.  :P

As for the HOI series, I've never owned one that worked well.  After buying the first HOI, I haven't expected them to.  After CK2, I knew they could create a good EU4 perhaps with some others, and they did well on two thus far.  But I'd still be surprised if they can pull off an HOI4 of the previous version's scope without it ending up nearly as messy on release.  Even now that they have their pre-release testing working so well. 

Hell... did HOI3 ever get to the point where the AI could use it's troops adequately?  Even after the four expansions or so?

Nope.  Not fantasy.  I was looking for anything besides world war two.  I guess that's still the crowd pleaser whether it works well out of the gate or no.   ;)   ;D

[mikeck]

However I haven't found myself looking forward to any WW2 game in a long time.  The glut of them over the decades did me in.   Unlike a large chunk of war & strategy gamers, I never had an overwhelming need to have that first and foremost before all else.  When I see people popping into message forums for other games set in the Classical or World War One era, and their first request is a WW2 version, I have no words to describe my epic facepalm.  So I just accuse them all of being Third Reich fanboys. 

Nefaro, I agree 100%. I was on the receiving end of some very vitriolic posts (not offensive just intense I guess) when I posted just that over in the Flashpoint Campaign forums. Someone suggest after the game had been out a week that the developers should really work on a WW2 version. I posted that there are plenty of operational WW2 games and can the rest of us please enjoy a few non-ww2 game for a while. Man, people were upset although a few agreed.

I was accused of hating WW2 games and told that if I don't like them, don't buy them. True...of course my point was that it is obnoxious when 1 day after AGEOD civil war 2 is released, someone posts a thread asking them to make a WW2 version. Jesus H.

[mikeck]

HOI 4 is a bit confusing...aren't they releasing the Cold War version of HOI 3 in a few months? Why immediately start on a new version of the same game of it is going to have a Cold War theme.

At any rate, the "east v west" HOI3 game is the game I am most looking forward to this year. I always thought that a WWIII game with then HOI engine was begging to be done. Hated to get in the way of a scarce WW2 strategy game though

[Nefaro]

However I haven't found myself looking forward to any WW2 game in a long time.  The glut of them over the decades did me in.   Unlike a large chunk of war & strategy gamers, I never had an overwhelming need to have that first and foremost before all else.  When I see people popping into message forums for other games set in the Classical or World War One era, and their first request is a WW2 version, I have no words to describe my epic facepalm.  So I just accuse them all of being Third Reich fanboys. 

Nefaro, I agree 100%. I was on the receiving end of some very vitriolic posts (not offensive just intense I guess) when I posted just that over in the Flashpoint Campaign forums. Someone suggest after the game had been out a week that the developers should really work on a WW2 version. I posted that there are plenty of operational WW2 games and can the rest of us please enjoy a few non-ww2 game for a while. Man, people were upset although a few agreed.

I was accused of hating WW2 games and told that if I don't like them, don't buy them. True...of course my point was that it is obnoxious when 1 day after AGEOD civil war 2 is released, someone posts a thread asking them to make a WW2 version. Jesus H.

Damn straight.  I would've backed you up had I seen the usual requests for a WW2 version.  It happens in nearly every game's forum that isn't set in Dubya'2.

It really makes me wonder if such thinking has been drilled into gamers heads for so long as being the bestest war that they will ever want when it comes to their hobby.  Like mice trained to ring a buzzer for cheese?  Creepy, no?  I mean.. it has certainly had the lion's share of the focus in the hobby since it's inception, right? 

Anyway.. yeah, I'm obviously tiring of it more as time goes on.  I thought a long hiatus from them would help but it hasn't.  I don't really miss it.  Quite liberating, actually.  I'm free to wander the rest of history!!!!  :P

HOI 4 is a bit confusing...aren't they releasing the Cold War version of HOI 3 in a few months? Why immediately start on a new version of the same game of it is going to have a Cold War theme.

At any rate, the "east v west" HOI3 game is the game I am most looking forward to this year. I always thought that a WWIII game with then HOI engine was begging to be done. Hated to get in the way of a scarce WW2 strategy game though

I believe the East vs West thing is dev'd by a third party.  That hasn't always gone so well in the past.  Hopefully all turns out okay.

[sandman2575]

Nef and Mikeck, I agree with you that there are plenty of WW2 titles out there and that it is ridiculous for folks to want to transform games set in other eras into WW2 titles.  Still, the implication that those of us who enjoy WW2 strategy are somehow programmed labmice or closet nazis is just a little unfair, no?

[mikeck]

Well it's an insta-buy for me. I am dying for a game where I can conduct global WW3 with nukes and such.

There are several threads over at the matrix "command/modern naval air combat" forum expressing heartfelt desire that the devs will release a WWII version. Again, yes, that would be a great game
But there are so few games dealing in modern operational warfare that I would hate for them to produce more WW2 games. Maybe it's selfish.

I can't get a proper game of "age of rifles", "30 years war", "European wars of the 18th century"(Spanish succession Austrian succession, etc) Crimean conflict, or really any tactical /operation warge
Taking place between 1500 and 1800 with the narrow exception of AGEOD RISE OF PRUSSIA.
Yet I get a new WW2 game every month. I get that WW2 sells...so when someone does take a
Risk and produces a non WW2 game, it should be celebrated, not used as a time to convince the developer to do WW2.....rant over

[mikeck]

Nef and Mikeck, I agree with you that there are plenty of WW2 titles out there and that it is ridiculous for folks to want to transform games set in other eras into WW2 titles.  Still, the implication that those of us who enjoy WW2 strategy are somehow programmed labmice or closet nazis is just a little unfair, no?

Yes, it is unfair....but accurate! Lol.
No, seriously, like I said, I don't blame people for loving WW2 and wanting to game the crap out of it, it's just when every game has to become a ww2 game.

It's not as big of a problem as I am making it here, it's just a pet peeve of mine

[Nefaro]

Still, the implication that those of us who enjoy WW2 strategy are somehow programmed labmice or closet nazis is just a little unfair, no?

Yes, it is certainly unfair.  I just vent my WW2 overload like that.  Sorry.  I really don't think you're Nazi Lab Rats.  Well.. most of you.  I think we've all seen or read some who may be borderline.  :D

[sandman2575]

I think we've all seen or read some who may be borderline.  :D

No question  8)

But I certainly understand your & Mike's frustration with people wanting non-WW2 games modified to WW2.  I'm guilty of being a WW2 glutton who is intrigued by pretty much any WW2 game, but I will be the first to admit there are too many games set in this era.

[mikeck]

And let's state the obvious...WW2 sells for several reasons...everyone's country was invves and it was the last big war where the sides were evenly matched

[JasonPratt]

Re: HoI4, I just don't see how it could be improved significantly enough to warrant a new one yet.

Wow couldn't disagree more.  I love HoI3 to death but it is flawed in many ways.  Pdox has still never gotten naval or air combat right, for example. And I for one really want to see them expand and refine the army AI control features -- integrating the "battle planner" so that it could actually be used to plot and implement operations, rather than be pure window dressing. 

With HoI3 going on 6 years old now, it is the right time for a re-boot.

...okay, I can agree with that. (I also hadn't thought about the Hearts of Darkness super-expansion for Vicky2 being a reason why they aren't working on that next, bringing it up to CK-par.)

I wonder if they'll hire the fans who worked on the various HOI2 remakes, to help make HOI4 better.

[sandman2575]

I wonder if they'll hire the fans who worked on the various HOI2 remakes, to help make HOI4 better.

I'd be surprised if they did.  It sounds like things are not going well with the "East vs. West" project which (I believe?) is being headed up by the modders who created HoI2 Darkest Hour (or maybe Arsenal of Democracy).  And recalling the Magna Mundi EUIII fiasco, I'd bet that Pdox Development Studios is probably feeling a little "proprietary" about its flagship state-of-the-art-Clausewitz-engine games right now, e.g. CK2, EUIV, and HOI4.

Anyway, the Pdox HoI4 forum is just a morass of acrimony and childishness right now, which frankly is nothing new.  Whenever I come back to Grogheads it's nice to be reminded of what a (relatively) sane, intelligent and mature community of gamers looks like   :)

[WallysWorld]

I'm not sure anyone posted the news in this thread, but a new DLC for CK II has been announced on twitter: "Rajas of India" with the map expanded to India and three more religions.
https://twitter.com/haydencd/statuses/426373004017557504

And another DLC for EU IV:  "Wealth of Nations" focusing on trade: https://twitter.com/TheWesterFront/status/426373606739042304

[Kushan]

I'm not sure anyone posted the news in this thread, but a new DLC for CK II has been announced on twitter: "Rajas of India" with the map expanded to India and three more religions.
https://twitter.com/haydencd/statuses/426373004017557504

And another DLC for EU IV:  "Wealth of Nations" focusing on trade: https://twitter.com/TheWesterFront/status/426373606739042304

Quil18 made a short video about both DLC's. Not a lot of info due to a press embargo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5mlFGTd4i4&feature=c4-overview&list=UUbx1TZgxfIauUZyPuBzEwZg

[Jarhead0331]

Damn straight.  I would've backed you up had I seen the usual requests for a WW2 version.  It happens in nearly every game's forum that isn't set in Dubya'2.

You mean Dubya'Dubya' 2.