Battlefront.com DRM

[Yskonyn]

How on earth would a new PSU trip a DRM? There is no software anchor for a PSU. Its just an electrical component to power your hardware.

The videocard might cause a DRM trip off, but usually DRM only trips when you have changed multiple pieces of hardware.

[Tuna]

I put in a new R9 270 Radeon graphics card, and 750W Corsair psu yesterday. Had a quick look at CMBN/MG, CMSF/Mar/Brts/NATO, CMFI/GL, and CMA - all seem to be ok. Was a scary moment tho', after reading about the DRM sensitivity to changes. :o Phew.. :D

When I upgraded my graphics card recently I had 'no issues'.. When I upgraded my CPU last August.. both BF and DCS went belly up..

[SgtRock]

Sense the DRM is a third party product embedded in CM games, who knows what the hell else it's doing or information it collects?

[Yskonyn]

I agree. It must be Russian made, invading our homes and using our webcams and Bluetooth connection to our iPhones to spy on us all day.
If we are so concerned about what a DRM might or might not gather, we should just as well cease to use the internet. What do you think Google knows about us? Or Microsoft? Or Facebook?

In this day and age it is totally naive to think you can hide yourself on the internet as a normal citizen/consumer.
If the DRM on one of my games turns out to be gathering information for marketing purposes, then its just another one on the long list of software and scripts tracking my everyday life on the electronic highway.
And so what? They know I am totally into furry pink creatures. Or that a lot of sexual toys are being delivered to my address on a regular basis.
AdBlocker does a neat job of at least blocking ads in my day to day browsing. :D

EDIT: Just reinstalled CMBN after a complete clean reinstall of my OS after that Cryptolocker debacle. The activation window didn't even popup at all and the game loads fine... go figure! (little confused)

[Michael Dorosh]

I agree. It must be Russian made, invading our homes and using our webcams and Bluetooth connection to our iPhones to spy on us all day.
If we are so concerned about what a DRM might or might not gather, we should just as well cease to use the internet. What do you think Google knows about us? Or Microsoft? Or Facebook?

Whatever you choose to tell them. It's in your hands, not theirs. You willingly surrender the convenience of online shopping for your privacy.

In this day and age it is totally naive to think you can hide yourself on the internet as a normal citizen/consumer.

It's possible, it's just difficult to do if you're determined to have everything despite shipping costs and the damage it does to local merchants who can stock the same goods, for the possible "inconvenience" of you having to wait for them to acquire it and mark it up.

If the DRM on one of my games turns out to be gathering information for marketing purposes, then its just another one on the long list of software and scripts tracking my everyday life on the electronic highway.

By your choice.

Incidentally, you talk about not using the Internet as if it was a bad thing. There is no reason to think that would be a universally harmful option. Certainly local merchants would enjoy it.

[Redwolf]

EDIT: Just reinstalled CMBN after a complete clean reinstall of my OS after that Cryptolocker debacle. The activation window didn't even popup at all and the game loads fine... go figure! (little confused)

BFC's DRM anchors itself as deep as it can. It survives an install over your old windows install.  That is one reason why antivirus software doesn't like it.

[Elvis]

EDIT: Just reinstalled CMBN after a complete clean reinstall of my OS after that Cryptolocker debacle. The activation window didn't even popup at all and the game loads fine... go figure! (little confused)

BFC's DRM anchors itself as deep as it can. It survives an install over your old windows install.  That is one reason why antivirus software doesn't like it.

Upgrading or reinstalling your operating system can trigger it.

[RyanE]

My limited experience is that a straight reinstall didn't trigger it, but going from win 8 to 8.1 triggered it.

[Elvis]

By your choice.

That is what he is saying. He's saying that if they are, he doesn't care. If you do care, then follow your advise about using a local merchant. Even then, depending on how big the merchant is, you may be exchanging personal information and shopping history to receive on sale pricing. Aside from the large stores like Best Buy and large grocery store chains etc.., there is a very small toy/childrens clothing store near me that twice a year does a special sale. Fill out a card with your contact information and they let you draw balls from a box. The balls give between 20% off to 50% off to 75% off to your purchase is free. If you've done it before then you will have received a card in the mail for the ball drawing discount. Once a month I do a 20% off dinner for customers who "Like" my restaurant on the Facebooks and say the "secret" word that we post. Large or small business, customer data collection is huge. But as you correctly point out, it is by your own choice.

I'm sorry to have gone off topic. Carry on.

[Yskonyn]

Indeed my choice.
I wasn't trying to segway into a general internet / privacy discussion. Just an example to illustrate my point about how I look at DRM.

I think the 'pooha' made on the internet about certain DRM schemes is just on the verge of being rabid. But then again, such seems to be the way of the gaming community at large these days anyway.
Scream if they do, scream if they don't.

*shrug*

[Nefaro]

Indeed my choice.
I wasn't trying to segway into a general internet / privacy discussion. Just an example to illustrate my point about how I look at DRM.

I think the 'pooha' made on the internet about certain DRM schemes is just on the verge of being rabid. But then again, such seems to be the way of the gaming community at large these days anyway.
Scream if they do, scream if they don't.

*shrug*

There would be less screaming if this DRM scheme wasn't being used.  That's easy to understand.

[Redwolf]

What and whether the DRM system actually send back data to the vendor (or anybody else) should be in the EULA.

If not you can sue. And for real.

I don't think spying on the customer is an issue here at all.

One issue is that the paying customers get harassed and the pirates do not. The pirates downloads things with DRM pre-removed.

The other issue is that we *buy* the game, not *rent* it. We have a right to use it forever but the license servers will not stay up forever.

[JudgeDredd]

For the most part, their DRM has not bothered me. However, there were two "episodes" where it did.

The first was some years ago and it simply wouldn't connect to the interwebs...that took a couple of years to fix (I think it was Shock Force).

The second was a rebuild. Partly my fault but not helped by their confusing system. I read about the DRM (I think it was their latest version - Battles for Normandy) and it said you didn't have to unlicence...so I didn't...for any of them. Had a hell of a time for the older titles I had which should've been un-licenced.

Apart from those two episodes...all has been fine. Of course, I regard a paying customer having those two episodes as two episodes too many. But who the hell am I anyway.

Oh yeah...only THE LAW!

[Redirected]

What and whether the DRM system actually send back data to the vendor (or anybody else) should be in the EULA.

If not you can sue. And for real.

I don't think spying on the customer is an issue here at all.

One issue is that the paying customers get harassed and the pirates do not. The pirates downloads things with DRM pre-removed.

The other issue is that we *buy* the game, not *rent* it. We have a right to use it forever but the license servers will not stay up forever.

Has the latest EULA changed in the released PDF manual for CMRT?

[DoctorQuest]

Indeed my choice.
I wasn't trying to segway into a general internet / privacy discussion. Just an example to illustrate my point about how I look at DRM.

I think the 'pooha' made on the internet about certain DRM schemes is just on the verge of being rabid. But then again, such seems to be the way of the gaming community at large these days anyway.
Scream if they do, scream if they don't.

*shrug*

There would be less screaming if this DRM scheme wasn't being used.  That's easy to understand.

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