Are there any wargames that are not Panzer General?

[TacticalWargames]

Hehe..these days it's getting a rare thing:)

[Sir Slash]

If you want Strategic, I've gotten hooked on the Decisive Campaigns WtP. It's a monster however, sometimes the war itself took less time to fight. But the AI is excellent and it never plays the same way twice.

[Tuna]

If you want Strategic, I've gotten hooked on the Decisive Campaigns WtP. It's a monster however, sometimes the war itself took less time to fight. But the AI is excellent and it never plays the same way twice.

Great game, but the one thing that I hated, was that all units were 'equal'.. did anyone ever mod this or was it ever updated to have some differences in the divisions?

[MengJiao]

Panzer Corps. Tank Battle 1940-something. Panzer Tactics HD.

Is it my imagination, or are all these games just clones of Panzer General? Which I played to death in 1995 and enjoyed every minute of it. But I have no wish to go back to it over and over again.

  I never played Panzer General and I haven't had much trouble avoiding its clones -- which do seem to be all over, but they are pretty easy to spot.  I've always played all kinds of HPS (for example Panzer Campaigns -- not like Panzer general at all) and plane and sub simulators and what not.  Boardgames too.  AGEOD stuff. etc.  It's really pretty easy to avoid Panzer General Clones.

[Johnnie]

This thread can not continue without the following "but."  There may be many clones but one must admit that the original Panzer General is one of the best wargames, for my money, THE best wargame, to date.

If you are going to clone something . . .  .

[Rayfer]

This thread can not continue without the following "but."  There may be many clones but one must admit that the original Panzer General is one of the best wargames, for my money, THE best wargame, to date.

If you are going to clone something . . .  .

Well, to be honest, I wouldn't admit to any such thing.  Never liked the original and haven't been motivated at all to try the new releases. Just my subjective opinion. I realize it is, to many, a beloved series.  Clones of successful games is common in this industry. Just look at the Diablo series. I'd take the Decisive Campaigns and the Command Ops series over PG every time.

[TacticalWargames]

One mans meat is another mans poison. The game did nothing for at all. To Chess like and not keen on rock paper scissors mechanics..nor abstract scale.

This thread can not continue without the following "but."  There may be many clones but one must admit that the original Panzer General is one of the best wargames, for my money, THE best wargame, to date.

If you are going to clone something . . .  .

[Nefaro]

If you want Strategic, I've gotten hooked on the Decisive Campaigns WtP. It's a monster however, sometimes the war itself took less time to fight. But the AI is excellent and it never plays the same way twice.

Great game, but the one thing that I hated, was that all units were 'equal'.. did anyone ever mod this or was it ever updated to have some differences in the divisions?

Are you one of those people who require special separate colors and ridiculously superhuman stats for SS units? 

[Tuna]

If you want Strategic, I've gotten hooked on the Decisive Campaigns WtP. It's a monster however, sometimes the war itself took less time to fight. But the AI is excellent and it never plays the same way twice.

Great game, but the one thing that I hated, was that all units were 'equal'.. did anyone ever mod this or was it ever updated to have some differences in the divisions?

Are you one of those people who require special separate colors and ridiculously superhuman stats for SS units? 

No, I like to play all sides.. I just thought it was very unrealistic that every division had the exact same number of men, tanks, guns.. etc... Not very realistic..

[jomni]

But a PG unit is not really a division. Scale is abstract (unit size, hex distance, turn time) . It is not about number of equipment squads but % of full strength TOE.

[Nefaro]

But a PG unit is not really a division. It is abstract. It is not about number of equipment squads but % of full strength TOE.

That's how the Decisive Campaigns stuff is.  While the base strength numbers are pretty uniform, there are multiple other unit-specific values that further modify it's current strength, morale, supply etc.  It's not just about the base equipment numbers, which is probably a misperception left over from (overly) simple hex & counter strength value habits.

[jomni]

But the PG model is strictly strength points (number of hits a unit can take).

[Nefaro]

But the PG model is strictly strength points (number of hits a unit can take).

Indeed.

[DicedT]

One more to the list: Order of Battle Pacific. See screenshot: http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=3488994

Michael