News from Ukraine Conflict

[GDS_Starfury]

and a UN commission to investigate.

[mirth]

The equivalent of this 100 years ago was the Lusitania, wouldn't you agree?

No.

It could be a casus belli but won't be.

And I'm not sure it should be.

It's a better opportunity to contrast the US against the axis of dumbasses who are seeking to replace us with their own vision of a USSR Part Deux. However, apparently the apologizer in chief isn't interested in promoting US interests abroad, so instead you can expect a strongly worded letter to follow.

Keep in mind that the Lusitania sinking wasn't a casus belli either. It took nearly two more years, the Zimmerman letter, and a return to unrestricted sub warfare before we entered the war.

[GDS_Starfury]

Id rather we not go to war and get Ukraine into NATO.

[LongBlade]

Keep in mind that the Lusitania sinking wasn't a casus belli either. It took nearly two more years, the Zimmerman letter, and a return to unrestricted sub warfare before we entered the war.

Oh, I know.

We're not going to war with Russia. The Malaysians have the greatest claim to that honor and I'm betting they won't either.

Starfury is correct - the better prize is to get Ukraine into NATO. That, and to isolate Russia as the pariah they want to be.

[panzerde]

Starfury is correct - the better prize is to get Ukraine into NATO. That, and to isolate Russia as the pariah they want to be.

You know, you get the sense that they've *almost* painted themselves into the same corner they were in back in 1989.

[Mr. Bigglesworth]

After this incident what will happen if Ukraine formally asks for NATO protection? Or assistance? Especially if it is branded as an international terrorist attack?

My feeling is many countries will want to end the rebels.

[GDS_Starfury]

Cold War part 2 except this time Europe mostly gets to take care of itself.  it been a little over a year now since the last M1 was pulled out of continental Europe.

[Gusington]

Isolating Russia further is what made them this way in the first place. One way or another we need to engage them or risk confronting an alliance of Russia - China - Whoever Else They Can Sucker in 10 years.

[GDS_Starfury]

no.   
we dont need to engage them.  they need reasons to engage us ,"the west", in a peaceful manner.

[Gusington]

You're thinking logically. They're not. They are Weimar Germany with an even more serious chip on their shoulder.

[GDS_Starfury]

no, they are not Weimar Germany.  if anything the current Russian government is what you get when their Weimar experiment failed.

[bayonetbrant]

[OJsDad]

With the way this crash site and the bodies of those killed are being handled, Russia isn't doing itself any favors in making itself look not guilty of outright murder. 

[Mr. Bigglesworth]

Even if other countries do nothing I expect England and Australia to respond for their lost people.

[LongBlade]

Even if other countries do nothing I expect England and Australia to respond for their lost people.

Heard on TV that the Netherlands suffered the largest loss.