Battlefront Combat Mission Normandy and Italy - 3.0 Upgrade now available

[Boggit]

Edit: the "don't own it" clause is a main reason you rarely see me in the computer gaming forums...

are you strictly cardboard?

Almost.  I play a LOT of the Civ series (hence the AARs) and I really enjoy Card Hunter during slow times at the office.  I've got the new Ancient Battles: Rome from Hunted Cow that I'll be reviewing, but otherwise, I'm pretty much all tabletop.  I probably play more digital wargames on my phone than my computer.

You should check out Slitherine's Heroes of Normandie - that might be right up your street. It is a board game conversion written in Unity, so multiplatform. 8)

[Boggit]

Will we need 3.0?

If I remember what has been said publicly, the Bulge will be a new family. Which means it will already be 3.0 or maybe the first 4.0......

And regarding your saved games and 3.0. I haven't tried it but I am close to 100% certain that 2.0 saves will not run in 3.0

So do you know if there will be a content update for CMBN to include Canadian Wasps, Churchill Crocs, the Hanomag Sdkfw 16 Flammenwerfer, and as Mike_Ger said flamethrowers for the Pionere, and Combat Engineers? Oh, and the Allies and Germans did have tank riders on the Western Front, and not just in rear areas as Mike Ger suggested. I've seen archive footage with it. But Battlefront are right in that the combat doctrine in usage was different on the Eastern Front.

[Elvis]

Will we need 3.0?

If I remember what has been said publicly, the Bulge will be a new family. Which means it will already be 3.0 or maybe the first 4.0......

And regarding your saved games and 3.0. I haven't tried it but I am close to 100% certain that 2.0 saves will not run in 3.0

So do you know if there will be a content update for CMBN to include Canadian Wasps, Churchill Crocs, the Hanomag Sdkfw 16 Flammenwerfer, and as Mike_Ger said flamethrowers for the Pionere, and Combat Engineers? Oh, and the Allies and Germans did have tank riders on the Western Front, and not just in rear areas as Mike Ger suggested. I've seen archive footage with it. But Battlefront are right in that the combat doctrine in usage was different on the Eastern Front.

BFC have mentioned for a long time that they would be making a "Pack" of odds and ends for Normandy (and if memory serves, that is the plan for closing out content for each family.....but that memory is fuzzier). Publicly giving details on what will be in it and when it can be expected to be released are above my pay grade.  ;)

[MikeGER]

Boggit ...i did some Battlefront Forum 'archeology' and 'digged' through  RT, FI, and BN subforum after the latest 3.0-engine releases for some time

The conclusion is: they can do a 'pack' which contains vehicles ...its not known when and if, but the probability seems high we will see it in the future to come. 

The tankriders is a different story: It was reported that each model of about 200 western front vehicles (give and take) had to get some 'artistic handcrafted' adjustments so that the soldiers are fitting right (clipping, animations, n'such) and that's an workload of estimated 250 hours one pass (then will come the testing and possible readjusting, the usual bug hunt, etc... for a second pass, and so on) and that workload was just not covered in this $10

Now i got a question someone who has actually bought the "3.0" for either BN ot FI or both please can answer:
Did the management of the airsupport in BN and FI change to the RT behavior or not, or is there something in the middle now in FI and BN? 

No FO: aircraft in the scenario show up, and do there thing  (like in RT)

There is a FO:  aircraft in the scenario show up,  and do there thing alone (but the FO provides status information when, and if they return, etc ...no targeting anymore) (like in RT)

There is a FO:  aircraft in the scenario show up, and FO call out a target(area) to strike
(but in difference to the old version those aircrafts are getting fired upon by the enemy and strikes may get  'driven off' or 'canceled' according to the volume of enemy AAA fire. 

[MikeGER]

Now i got a question someone who has actually bought the "3.0" for either BN or FI or both please can answer:
Did the management of the airsupport in BN and FI change to the RT behavior or not, or is there something in the middle now in FI and BN? 

...i can talk to myself now  ;)
in the meantime a took the plunge and got both updates , and tested airsupport in a CM BN quick battle
Answer: behavior in BN is now like in RT  (Observer(s) provide status info on the plane. Plane does its thing and picks targets on its own)
I assume it will be handled in FI the same way   

[Con]

Yeah, the updating process is needlessly confusing from a version number standpoint.  If I understand it correctly:

CMBN v.2.12 (currently latest version) + new 3.0 update = CMBN v.2.20

Makes perfect sense, no?   :-\

So I am confused as well just bought the upgrade and I see it lists it as V2.20

Hopefully this means it has applied the 3.0 patch

Con

[MikeGER]

Con,  that is correct. You have the "3.0-game-engine"-update   

[Con]

Yep just went in and tested a game and saw some of the RT updates on one of scenarios in CMBN CW module (Surrender Invites Death) a partcularly horrible scenario but one with lots and lots of armor so quick way to see the graphical hit decals.

Con

[Yskonyn]

Yes they chose to increment the version number as modules usually make it jump a whole digit (like from 2.2 to 3.0).
I can understand the reasoning, but it does cause confusion .
More intuïtive had been to make it 3.2 and just let the next module up it to v4.

[Father Ted]

Yeah, the updating process is needlessly confusing from a version number standpoint.  If I understand it correctly:

CMBN v.2.12 (currently latest version) + new 3.0 update = CMBN v.2.20

Makes perfect sense, no?   :-\

Yeah, I saw v2.20 and thought my install had failed, but the game appears to have upgraded.  By my logic we should be on v3.0, or else the update is 0.08.