Sid Meyer's Beyond Earth...is no-one playing?

[bbmike]

Ah, the classic Civilization divide. Those who want the AI to try to beat the human any it can vs those who want a more diplomatically realistic AI.  ::) 
I prefer the diplomatically realist approach. Sounds like BE is working just like Civ5 though.

[Barthheart]

Try the demo mike. It's 100 turns long and should give you a good feel for the game.

[bbmike]

I've already bought and am currently playing. It does have issues but I'm having fun so far.  :)

[Barthheart]

I've already bought and am currently playing. It does have issues but I'm having fun so far.  :)

Ack! Sorry not you mike, the other mike...  :P

[JudgeDredd]

So for you guys that own and play both which one do you find to be better, beyond earth or Pandora? I feel like "on paper" I should like Pandora better seems to be a little deeper but I just don't and I'm not sure why. I wish there was more to beyond off you add a little more complexity like Pandora has but I just can't wrap my head around why I don't like Pandora

I had a very positive experience from the demo. I think it could've/should've been longer...but there was enough there to tell me it was different enough to warrant the cash.

I haven't yet...but I still might

[mikeck]

I've already bought and am currently playing. It does have issues but I'm having fun so far.  :)

Ack! Sorry not you mike, the other mike...  :P

I own and have played them both. Just trying to get a feel for whether people on this forum find one clearly better

[MetalDog]

I don't know if it's possible in BE, but, every iteration I have played previously, you can bribe another nation to go to war with anyone else on the board.  And just like everyone else on here, I, too, suspect that the AI declares, and usually at the WORST possible moment, just to piss you off.

[jomni]

30% off on Steam

[W8taminute]

^I saw that today.  Angry Joe's take on the game convinced me to pass on this though.  I'm thinking of getting GalCiv III since it too is on sale in Steam.   :)

[Grim.Reaper]

^I saw that today.  Angry Joe's take on the game convinced me to pass on this though.  I'm thinking of getting GalCiv III since it too is on sale in Steam.   :)

You just missed galciv on sale for $22, ended yesterday at stardock:(

[W8taminute]

Oh no.  At $22 I would have pulled the trigger.  Steams price at $39.99 while definitely tempting is not enough to push me over the edge, especially since turn based combat doesn't seem to be a feature of the game.

[Martok]

especially since turn based combat doesn't seem to be a feature of the game.

And probably never will be, sadly. 

[bbmike]

I'm hoping a mod will come along and make this game a lot more fun. Like Age of Discovery or TAC did for Colonization IV.

[bbmike]

A big patch was released today.

Balance

Wonders and Buildings:
• Holon Chamber provides 3 Science, 4 Energy (was 5 Science)
• Mind Stems cannot be bought with Energy.

Diplomacy:
• Any diplo item can now be traded in exchange for a peace treaty
• Lump Energy trade requires a Cooperation Agreement.

Trade:
• Water trade routes no longer receive any increased yield.
• Revised trade route formula for city-to-city trade, with reduced yields.
• Trade Depots can no longer be purchased with Energy.

Aliens:
• Clearing a friendly alien nest now removes the Xenomass resource from player stockpile.
• Adjusting passive recovery rate for alien opinion to be slower, to permit easier aggression escalation.

Covert Ops:
• Establish Network now has 0 difficulty and produces 0 intrigue. This prevents players from exploiting it to increase intrigue.
Health effects balancing:
• From -20 to -70, Production is penalized -1% per point (up to -50%).
• From -15 to -65, enemy Covert Ops Intrigue is increased +2% per point (up to +100%).
• From -10 to -60, Science is penalized -1% per point (up to -50%).
• From -5 to -55, Culture is penalized -1% per point (up to -50%).
• From 0 to -50, Outpost Growth is penalized -2% per point (up to -100%).
• From 0 to -50, City Growth is penalized -2% per point (up to -100%).
• From 1 to 5, nothing happens.
• From 5 to 25, Production bonus +1% per point (up to +20%).
• From 10 to 30, enemy Covert Ops Intrigue is decreased -2% per point (up to -40%).
• From 15 to 35, Science bonus +1% per point (up to +20%).
• From 20 to 40, Culture bonus +1 per point (up to +20%).
• From 25 to 45, City Growth bonus +1% per point (up to +20%).
• From 25 to 45, Outpost Growth bonus +2% per point (up to +40%).

Virtues:
• Eudaimonia (Tier III Prosperity virtue) now provides -15% less Unhealth (was -25%)
• Learning Centers now provides +1 Science for Academies (was +2)

Game Setup:
• Sponsors:
-Kozlov Ability: Orbital units last 50% longer, +50% Petroleum resource (was Orbital units last 20% longer and first launch grants free technology)
-Barre Ability: +10% Growth when Healthy, all cities start with an Old Earth Relic (was +10% Growth when Healthy)
-Rejinaldo Ability: Melee units +10% Strength, all units +5 Heal when fortified (was +10% Melee combat strength)
-Elodie Ability: provides 1 free Virtue for every 10 Virtues earned normally through Culture (was 1 free Tech for every 10 Virtues earned in any way)
• Colonists:
-Aristocrats now provide +4 Energy per City (no Health bonus)
-Artists now provide +3 Culture per City (no Health bonus)

Tech Web:
• Clear Miasma now unlocks on Ecology (was Alien Biology)
• Miasmic Repulsor now unlocks on Alien Biology (was Ecology)
• Array Science bonus now unlocks on Astrodynamics (was Orbital Automation)
• Planet Carver now unlocks on Orbital Automation (was Astrodynamics)
• Markov Eclipse now unlocks on Transcendental Math (was Artificial Intelligence)

Stations:
• Station start turn base is now 30 (was 20)
• Station minimum allowed distance to another station is now 2 (was 3)
• Station minimum allowed distance to a city is now 6 (was 5)
• Station minimum allowed distance to an outpost is now 5 (was 3)

Affinity Perks:
• Harmony level 1 grants Miasma Immunity to the Explorer unit (was Alien opinion recovers twice as quickly)
• Purity level 1 adds double combat strength when defending to Explorer unit (was Aliens cannot attack Explorers)

Quests:
• Affinity rewarded as a quest reward now ramps up slowly over the first 100 turns (on standard). This ramp will vary with game speed.
• All players now get affinity quests within 1 turn of each other. If it's not possible for all players to receive a quest at the same time, the game waits until this is possible, then immediately gives all players a new affinity quest.
• Autoplant Building Quest grants bonus Production (was +1 Trade Route)

Units:
• Explorers now have 6 combat strength (was 3).
• Sea units now follow the same rules for ranged combat defense as all other units: they use the highest of their combat values (ranged combat or melee combat) when calculating defense.
• Combat Rover unit can no longer fortify, and no longer receives defense bonuses from the terrain it is on.
• Raising the secondary level requirement for the hybrid upgrades of affinity units:
-First affinity unit (ex. Xeno Swarm) now upgrades at level 10 of main affinity and level 4 of secondary affinity (was 10+2)
-Second affinity unit (ex. Xeno Cavalry) now upgrades at 12+5 (was 12+3)
-Third affinity unit (ex. Rocktopus) now upgrades at level 14+6 (was 14+4)
-Fourth affinity unit (ex. Xeno Titan) now upgrades at level 16+7 (was 16+5)
• Lowering strategic resource costs for many affinity units, to ensure consistency across affinities and make top tier units easier to build. The first affinity units require 1 strategic, the second require 2, the third require 3, and the fourth require 5.
-CARVR now costs 2 Firaxite (was 3)
-Rocktopus now costs 2 Xenomass and 1 Floatstone (was 3 Xenomass and 1 Floatstone)
-LEV Tank now costs 3 Floatstone (was 4)
-SABR now costs 3 Firaxite (was 4)
-Xeno Titan now costs 5 Xenomass (was 7)
-LEV Destroyer now costs 5 Floatstone (was 7)
-ANGEL now costs 5 Firaxite (was 6)
• Increased production costs of upgraded Combat Rovers and Missile Rovers:
-Combat Rovers now cost 80, 160, 260, 370 (was 80, 140, 220, 320)
-Missile Rovers now cost 100, 190, 290, 400 (was 100, 180, 270, 370)
• Lowering combat strength progression of Combat Rover:
-Combat Rover combat strength progression is now 12, 18, 28, 52 (was 12, 18, 32, 52)
• Changes to the combat strength of affinity units, to make non-upgraded ones more weak in general:
-Xeno Swarm now has 22 combat strength at start, 54 when upgraded (was 34, 54)
-Xeno Cavalry now has 36, 72 (was 48, 72)
-Rocktopus now has 60, 92 (was 60, 82)
-Xeno Titan now has 86, 114 (was 96, 114)
-Battlesuit now has 24, 66 (was 40, 66)
-Aegis now has 34, 34 double strike (was 40, 40 double strike)
-LEV Tank now has 44, 77 (was 52, 77)
-LEV Destroyer now has 74, 104 (was 84, 104)
-CNDR now has 24, 63 (was 38, 63)
-CARVR now has 38, 76 (was 50, 76)
-SABR now has 52, 86 (was 58, 86)
-ANGEL now has 78 with 78 melee, 102 with 88 melee (was 88 with 88 melee, 102 with 102 melee)

AI:
• Once the game is in Extended mode (after the player clicks the One More Turn button) the AI will now only pursue Domination.
• Warmonger threat per city acquisition is now capped.
• Warmonger calculation now scaled down when cities are taken by Sponsors that are reacting to a war that was declared upon them (that is, when that civ is not the aggressor).
• Adjusted AI bonuses on higher difficulty levels.
• Additional AI tuning, improvements, and tweaks.

Gameplay Feedback:
• Implemented anonymous gameplay telemetry for design feedback.

UI

Settings and Game Setup:
• The menu now displays EQAA modes instead of MSAA modes if in Mantle version and the GPU supports EQAA.
• Added option to disable UI/Map blur.
• The player is now informed that enabling max turns disables victory achievements.

Trade:
• Previous trade routes appear in their own category at top of trade route chooser

City/Production UI:
• Adding Health tooltip help in City View to explain health sources and population cap
• City production pop-up now shows the last item completed.
• Increased city renaming from 15 character max to 23 character max.

Misc:
• Allow "One More Turn" after the default win conditions (Contact, Promised Land, Emancipation, Transcendence, Domination, Time), added text to defeat screen explaining how you were defeated.
• Option to make minimap opaque
• ESC leaves orbital mode instead of raising in game shell menu
• Added a badge to covert ops button in the action corner which will show up, and a warning to the covert ops panel when a player has any cities with high intrigue.
• Tech web - adding color underlays to building and wonder types.
• Added additional Advisors for trade convoy and trade vessel.
• Added support for third party wars in diplo overview.
• Full touch/gesture and pen support added (Ultrabook, Surface Pro, etc.).

Multiplayer

• Setting the internet server browser list distance filtering to worldwide.
• All players are notified when anyone completes a victory wonder.
• Multiple improvements to stability.

Modding

• 2D fallback image now supported for leaders on all video quality settings, not just the lowest.
• Added the ability to mod Quests.

Bugs

• Embarked workers can now correctly repair pillaged improvements.
• Fixed an issue where Max turns was getting set on "Reload", causing achievements to not fire.
• Fixed bug where victory achievements would only unlock for the first player on a team.
• Fixed empty trade requests that could occur during the AI turn.
• Fixed multiple Quest issues (quest tracking, information, and reward bugs).
• Fixed multiple issues with screen resolution on specific displays (like the 144Hz full-screen issue), and a Mantle issue causing the game to not display on the correct screen.
• Setting MaxTurns only affects timed victory conditions. For a timed victory, you must either not set MaxTurns (of which, there will be a default for the game speed), or set it to 100+ turns. All other victory conditions can be achieved regardless of max turns.
• Friendly aliens no longer blockade cities.
• Fixed some specific issues with resources not appearing properly in the player stockpile.
• Many additional bugs and crashes addressed based on community feedback. Thank you!

[Barthheart]

Cool! O0