Not a wargame but...I need your help

JudgeDredd · May 20, 2012, 01:56:27 PM

...one of you crazy Americans MUST know...

I'm playing OOTP13 and I want to continue play until my next game, but it won't let me saying "The NYY have a player on the DL who has to be activated"

So I click OK, and then right click on the player in the DL - now - I was told in a previous day to this that I had a player on the DL, so I moved him to the 40 Man Roster (active roster was full).

So the guy is on the 40 man roster - so why is he STILL showing on the DL - and what do I have to do to get rid of the original message about activating him? If I select "Designate player for assignment", I'm told he has to be put on Waivers first. So if I then select "Waive and Designate player for assignment", I'm asked if I'm sure I want to waive and designate him for assignment - because if I do he will be placed on the irrevocable waivers with an exlamation mark...making it sound like I SHOULDN'T to do this...even though it seems like the only thing I can do.

Can someone explain to me how thw DL works and, more to the point, how you get a playe off it and onto your assignment again (be it active roster, 40 man roster or a minor league?

Do I HAVE to waive the player? What is waiving the player? Is it where the player is vulnerable to being pinched by another team?

MetalDog · May 20, 2012, 02:11:44 PM

Placing a player on the Disabled List allows you to move a man from the Minors up to the Majors to take his place. The DL effectively takes him off the active roster, but not the 40 man roster. So, when he comes off the DL, you have to send someone down to the minors by designating someone for assignment. If they have any designations to the Minors, the player you send has to go. If he is out of designations (three times I think is the max), then he has to be placed on irrevocable waivers. If noone claims him, he becomes a free agent.

So, if at all possible, choose one of your players with designations to the Minors still available and send him. Then take your man off the DL.

JudgeDredd · May 20, 2012, 02:21:49 PM

Thanks Metal Dog...but a few questions please

1. I don't know who I brought up from the minors (wasn't even sure I had done that) when this guy went on the DL
2. Can I not just put this guy down in the minors? Was this guy definitely from my active roster and therefore someone from the minors "took his place" when he was injured?
3. Doesn't putting a player on the minors piss them off?

Is the DL just for players from my active roster who are injured? Because it sounds like (from what you are saying) that this guy needs to go on the active roster...

JudgeDredd · May 20, 2012, 03:17:47 PM

Oh man!!

I've just had a message about a 4.5 star SP from my team who has been "clqaimed" by 2 teams....how the hell did that happen?

Arctic Blast · May 20, 2012, 03:57:58 PM

Quote from: JudgeDredd on May 20, 2012, 02:21:49 PM
Thanks Metal Dog...but a few questions please

1. I don't know who I brought up from the minors (wasn't even sure I had done that) when this guy went on the DL
2. Can I not just put this guy down in the minors? Was this guy definitely from my active roster and therefore someone from the minors "took his place" when he was injured?
3. Doesn't putting a player on the minors piss them off?

Is the DL just for players from my active roster who are injured? Because it sounds like (from what you are saying) that this guy needs to go on the active roster...

Most major league players will have a contract that is major league only. So to send them down, you have to put them on waivers first...and that means every other team gets a shot at grabbing him (thought that can be a good way to dump a vet if you have a young guy at the same position who's ready).

JudgeDredd · May 20, 2012, 04:01:02 PM

I don't recall putting this guy on waivers though....would the game have done something lke that on it's own for some reason?

MetalDog · May 20, 2012, 04:09:00 PM

Quote from: JudgeDredd on May 20, 2012, 02:21:49 PM
Thanks Metal Dog...but a few questions please

1. I don't know who I brought up from the minors (wasn't even sure I had done that) when this guy went on the DL
2. Can I not just put this guy down in the minors? Was this guy definitely from my active roster and therefore someone from the minors "took his place" when he was injured?
3. Doesn't putting a player on the minors piss them off?

Is the DL just for players from my active roster who are injured? Because it sounds like (from what you are saying) that this guy needs to go on the active roster...

My knowledge of what your asking is built more from a lifetime of following baseball and the ins and outs are not always clear to me. The major league roster is a 25 man affair. There is also a 40 man roster comprising the 25 major leaguers and 15 more players that, to my understanding of it, are not in the majors, but are treated as if they are in the majors for many procedural purposes. Like a player claimed in the Rule 5 draft MUST remain on the winning claimant's 40 man roster for the entire year. Unfortunately, I don't know enough about it, the 40 man roster, beyond what I explained earlier.

Arctic Blast · May 20, 2012, 04:12:15 PM

The 40 man roster also comes in for September call ups. Those are the extra guys who will be added to your active major league roster in September when the rosters expand.

As for the Rule 5 draft, not a clue. I have no idea how the Hell that works. ;D

Quote from: JudgeDreddI don't recall putting this guy on waivers though....would the game have done something lke that on it's own for some reason?

Did you leave the AI to take care of the problem? If so, it probably randomly picked someone to waive so that it could clear a spot for the guy coming off the DL.

MetalDog · May 20, 2012, 04:15:12 PM

^Good guess on the Waiver problem, AB. I only brought up Rule 5 because I knew the 40 man roster exception. A lot of baseballs procedural rules are beyond me.

Arctic Blast · May 20, 2012, 04:18:10 PM

Quote from: MetalDog on May 20, 2012, 04:15:12 PM
^Good guess on the Waiver problem, AB. I only brought up Rule 5 because I knew the 40 man roster exception. A lot of baseballs procedural rules are beyond me.

Same with me. I actually like baseball management sims, though I haven't picked one up in a couple of years, but I have to turn some of the stuff like Rule 5 off.

JudgeDredd · May 20, 2012, 04:22:20 PM

Very probably I have left that kind of stuff to the AI...but no wonder he was snapped up...he's a 4.5 star SP!! WTH is the AI putting one of my 4.5 star SPs on waiver for? I had 4 other crap SPs!!

DAMN!

Thanks for the info.

Arctic Blast · May 20, 2012, 04:23:43 PM

Quote from: JudgeDredd on May 20, 2012, 04:22:20 PM
Very probably I have left that kind of stuff to the AI...but no wonder he was snapped up...he's a 4.5 star SP!! WTH is the AI putting one of my 4.5 star SPs on waiver for? I had 4 other crap SPs!!

DAMN!

Thanks for the info.

Yeah, unfortunately the AI always seems to conveniently choose to screw you over by taking one of your best players in these games.

JudgeDredd · May 20, 2012, 04:39:08 PM

So mental note to self....make way in the roster BEFORE bringing a player off DL??

MetalDog · May 20, 2012, 09:36:14 PM

Quote from: JudgeDredd on May 20, 2012, 04:39:08 PM
So mental note to self....make way in the roster BEFORE bringing a player off DL??

Correct.

JudgeDredd · May 21, 2012, 12:55:04 AM

I CANNOT believe the AI would do something that dumb!

I'll report it at OOTP - though I think something like this would be obvious to hardcore gamers and therefore be reported anyway