Top 10 biggest design flaws of the USS Enterprise (Trek)

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LongBlade

#15
January 16, 2015, 10:31:38 AM
Quote from: endfire79 on January 16, 2015, 08:50:15 AM
In star fleet command that ship ship was a pain to maneuver, although you had type R plasmas and nuclear mines

I've only played Federation Commander a few times. That plasma scares the socks off of people, but I have yet to see it make contact. I think it's probably best used in conjunction with other ships (we played one-on-one) to maneuver them in such a way that the target vessel can't outrun/flee.
All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost;
The old that is strong does not wither,
Deep roots are not reached by the frost.

endfire79

#16
January 16, 2015, 10:58:10 AM
Danger close [emoji6]

Thanks I had not heard of that card game.  My regular buddies aren't trekkie boardgamers unfortunately.
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BanzaiCat

#17
January 16, 2015, 12:21:15 PM
#7 is technically not true (bridge is easily cut off), because there was access to the Bridge other than the turbolift. IIRC it was in an unseen space that ran all the way around the bridge.

Found it (see #20) - http://www.cygnus-x1.net/links/lcars/blueprints/constitution/constitution-15.jpg



I had a set of Constitution-class blueprints that I got in 1975 or so (you can see it here: http://www.amazon.com/Star-Trek-Blueprints-Enterprise-Constitution/dp/B001RJ9RHU). I can't remember what I did with it though.

LongBlade

#18
January 16, 2015, 12:27:18 PM
Quote from: Banzai_Cat on January 16, 2015, 12:21:15 PM
I had a set of Constitution-class blueprints that I got in 1975 or so (you can see it here: http://www.amazon.com/Star-Trek-Blueprints-Enterprise-Constitution/dp/B001RJ9RHU). I can't remember what I did with it though.

I still have mine ;)
All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost;
The old that is strong does not wither,
Deep roots are not reached by the frost.

GDS_Starfury

#19
January 16, 2015, 12:28:23 PM
The Miranda, NX, Defiant and Voyager classes make much more sense in overall design.
Jarhead - Yeah. You're probably right.

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Banzai Cat - There is no "partial credit" in grammar. Like anal sex. It's either in, or it's not.

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GDS_Starfury

#20
January 16, 2015, 12:29:52 PM
And whe LB may want to mock me I'm the only one here thats built space from the keel up.  So pffft  :buck2:
Jarhead - Yeah. You're probably right.

Gus - I use sweatpants with flannel shorts to soak up my crotch sweat.

Banzai Cat - There is no "partial credit" in grammar. Like anal sex. It's either in, or it's not.

Mirth - We learned long ago that they key isn't to outrun Star, it's to outrun Gus.

Martok - I don't know if it's possible to have an "anti-boner"...but I now have one.

Gus - Celery is vile and has no reason to exist. Like underwear on Star.

LongBlade

#21
January 16, 2015, 12:36:51 PM
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on January 16, 2015, 12:29:52 PM
And whe LB may want to mock me I'm the only one here thats built space from the keel up.  So pffft  :buck2:

Mock you? Moi?
All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost;
The old that is strong does not wither,
Deep roots are not reached by the frost.

LongBlade

#22
January 16, 2015, 12:37:50 PM
Actually, I wish you and I could get together for some starship projects. I'm pretty much all thumbs when it comes to artistic ability, but I'd love the opportunity to go through the process with ya.
All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost;
The old that is strong does not wither,
Deep roots are not reached by the frost.

GDS_Starfury

#23
January 16, 2015, 01:01:14 PM
Check out Resinilluminati.com  lots of scratch builds there.  It can be a mind numbing process of sketching, cutting, getting cuy and digging through the parts boxes.  Fyi super soaker type water guns are great starting points for starships.
Jarhead - Yeah. You're probably right.

Gus - I use sweatpants with flannel shorts to soak up my crotch sweat.

Banzai Cat - There is no "partial credit" in grammar. Like anal sex. It's either in, or it's not.

Mirth - We learned long ago that they key isn't to outrun Star, it's to outrun Gus.

Martok - I don't know if it's possible to have an "anti-boner"...but I now have one.

Gus - Celery is vile and has no reason to exist. Like underwear on Star.

LongBlade

#24
January 16, 2015, 01:18:17 PM
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on January 16, 2015, 01:01:14 PM
Check out Resinilluminati.com  lots of scratch builds there. 

Those are so far beyond my skill level that I struggle to wrap my head around them.
All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost;
The old that is strong does not wither,
Deep roots are not reached by the frost.

endfire79

#25
January 16, 2015, 01:20:47 PM
Super soakers? Hadn't thought of that.  I still don't get it, enlighten me Star
"I will return before you can say 'antidisestablishmentarianism'."

"A man may fight for many things. His country, his principles, his friends. The glistening tear on the cheek of a golden child. But personally, I'd mud-wrestle my own mother for a ton of cash, an amusing clock and a sack of French porn."

GDS_Starfury

#26
January 16, 2015, 01:47:41 PM
Im on my phone so cant link pictures but if you take a typical super soaker rifle, flip it upside down, add some hull plating, engines and whatnot you end up with an Aliens Sulico type ship.
Jarhead - Yeah. You're probably right.

Gus - I use sweatpants with flannel shorts to soak up my crotch sweat.

Banzai Cat - There is no "partial credit" in grammar. Like anal sex. It's either in, or it's not.

Mirth - We learned long ago that they key isn't to outrun Star, it's to outrun Gus.

Martok - I don't know if it's possible to have an "anti-boner"...but I now have one.

Gus - Celery is vile and has no reason to exist. Like underwear on Star.

endfire79

#27
January 16, 2015, 03:50:20 PM
Yes now I see it.
"I will return before you can say 'antidisestablishmentarianism'."

"A man may fight for many things. His country, his principles, his friends. The glistening tear on the cheek of a golden child. But personally, I'd mud-wrestle my own mother for a ton of cash, an amusing clock and a sack of French porn."

Martok

#28
January 20, 2015, 11:19:01 AM
Can't really argue with most of the design flaws noted in the article.  The bridge's vulnerability has always been especially/laughably obvious.  For that matter, most Trek ships -- Federation vessels in particular, but even most of the other major powers' vessels as well -- seem to have their bridges located such that they're just daring the enemy to shoot out the entire command crew.  ::) 

The Enterprise is still one of the coolest ships ever, though.  :smitten: 




Quote from: bbmike on January 15, 2015, 05:12:12 PM
It's a War Eagle. Where is Martok when you need him?  ::)
LOL.  I appreciate the implied compliment regarding my Star Trek knowledge, bbmike; thanks! 

In truth, though, LongBlade, you, and (I strongly suspect) at least a few others here are going to have a far better idea on this one than myself.  My knowledge of TOS has always been incomplete at best; I have more expertise where the movies, TNG, and DS9 are concerned.  :) 

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mirth

#29
January 20, 2015, 11:38:36 AM
Quote from: LongBlade on January 15, 2015, 05:02:35 PM
Quote from: Centurion40 on January 15, 2015, 01:22:55 PM
Is this not a Bird of Prey?

Honestly I'm not 100% sure. I'd have to dig out my Star Fleet Battles gear to get you a precise definition.

Suffice it to say that in TOS there are a variety of sizes and ship names which all bear the same general silhouette. Some are cruiser class, some destroyer, etc, but other than size they share the same outline.

There are exceptions - the Romulans do employ some old Klingon D7s, as well as having their own distinctive dreadnought which does not follow this outline.





OK, fine.

King Eagle, War Eagle, Snipe are how they're classified. I think "Bird of Prey" may be the Federation's general term for them, but I could be wrong. Here's a comprehensive list - probably better defined by Amarillo Design Bureau than any official codex.

http://www.starfleetgames.com/federation/Commanders%20Circle/romulanships.shtml



Standard Romulan V-8 Bird of Prey. http://home.comcast.net/~ststcsolda/romulans/V-8/V-8.html


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