Obsidian's Pillars of Eternity

[Toonces]

I think your idea is pretty good, Rayfer.

[Sir Slash]

Planescape Torment had several ways to win against the final boss if I can remember correctly, one of which was the combat option but it was almost impossible to beat him.

[Rayfer]

I remember a very old rpg called Anvil of Dawn, still available on GOG, that had an interesting and unexpected ending...don't want to post a spoiler here but suffice it to say there were options other than combat with the big bad final boss.

[Staggerwing]

^Team up and rule the universe together?

[JasonPratt]

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD JOE!

Loot whores instantly make him happy.  >:D

[glen55]

It only took me a couple of tries to beat the final boss in DA:O. Not bragging...but maybe I had it on a lower difficulty level? I don't remember, it's been so long since I got that far in the game. Though I really did not like the ending at all.

I'm all but certain I got it on the first playthrough.  Just by fighting super-cautiously and methodically - pause every 1 second and check what everybody is doing.  But I actually thought the end of DA:O was amazing, the best part of the game.  [MILD SPOILER - That part where you come charging into your city, and all your followers are charging in, too, doing their own thing, and you just try to find a way to fight cooperatively.  Wow.  DA:O isn't my favorite Bioware game, but that may be my favorite fight.  - END SPOILER] (And by the way, where's the hide spoiler tag???)

The one in DA:O that got me was the fight where you are at Howe's estate and walk into a room packed full of archers and their boss - Ser Cathrien or something - and chat for a while and then they all let fly.  Eventually I figured out that if you just sprint out of the room when the fight starts, duck into the first small room on the left and fight 'em as they come in after you it's still hard as hell but you can win.

Looked it up on the internet, and apparently you are supposed to just give up and let them capture you because it's unwinnable.  Ha!

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/920668-dragon-age-origins/52152984

I'm usually not the guy who can win super-hard fights that other people couldn't, but I had a technique for a tough DA:O fight.  Simple technique, really, just frequent pausing and whenever anybody is in trouble, run.  It doesn't work against a room full of archers too well, though, because everybody is in trouble all the time.

[TacticalWargames]

A fair few films have an ending specifically for the American audience as they don't like unhappy endings as mentioned above. Us Europeans are made of harder emotional stuff and can handle misery rather well:)

[bob48]

LOL - too right. I mean, just look at our government for a start. ;)

[Sir Slash]

I finally went back and killed that damned bear in the cave. He wasn't so tough against a full 6-member party. It felt good to have my foot in his ass instead of the other way around.

[glen55]

I finally went back and killed that damned bear in the cave. He wasn't so tough against a full 6-member party. It felt good to have my foot in his ass instead of the other way around.

I never fought him at all, after reading about him on the forum.  That dude said "watch out, there's a wicked bear down that road!" (or whatever), and I said "oh hell naw." 

Reminds me of one of those classic Old Man Murray reviews: http://www.oldmanmurray.com/longreviews/62.html)

Defeat a demon?  Jesus, I'm no hero.  Dude, this guy's a savage fighter, and he says nobody can do it.  Thank God we didn't march out there without talking to this guy.  "That's right, man.  We'd be dead for sure." said Bakq.  "Completely.  I'm totally serious," I said.

[Sir Slash]

There's a small quest connected to what you find in the cave. Worth a few ExP's.

[PanzersEast]

I see this is on sale at Steam for -60% off.... so, I have had my eye on this for forever, considering the norm (don't have time, have to many games, Steam Summer sale blah blah....)

What is the overall opinion of it?  I have been wanting a divergence from the normal games into something more adventurous.


PE

[Sir Slash]

I really like it PE. It's very Baldur's Gate-like but with a very easy UI to use and lots of aids to keep play un-confusing. Story's a little bland and Combat can be confusing until you get used to it. Lots of great loot and quests that are non-linear and optional to the main story. I'm wondering if I should pick-up the White March part 2 for 25% off or wait for a better deal on the Summer Sale?

[bob48]

Mrs.B has been playing the White March pt2 and says its absolutely brilliant.

[airboy]

My only problem with Pillars of Eternity was the sucky and unmemorable magic items.  It gave the game good play balance - but lack of fun.  I also tend not to like mind games as a plot line.  Seeing ghosts was too much mind game for me.