Student Arrested for Clock 'Bomb'

[Jarhead0331]

Obviously that if he was white, it wouldn't have been an issue.

That isn't my line of thinking. Hasn't been for one second.

I'll say it again for the 3 or 4th time, I don't think this kid was targeted because of his race, ethnicity or religion.

I also think that a white kid or any other kid would have also encountered the same or similar response. It would have still been an overreaction, imo.

Ok, I'm just going off of what you said in the quoted portion above. Furthermore, the problem I'm raising is not in the response to the incident, rather, it's the outpouring of support, favor and congratulation after the fact. If this kid wasn't a Muslim with brown skin, it never would have made national news and the president wouldn't have given a single  f__k.

My statement was in response to BC's comment that if it were an Anglo kid the response would be even more harsh. I don't think that is anymore accurate than saying this kid only got in trouble because he was Muslim.

As far as the White House invite and the other support from prominent public entities, I agree that is agenda driven. That is hardly a surprise. I don't subscribe to that agenda either.

I think this was a heavy handed school/police response to a skinny nerd kid who honestly thought he was making a cool clock and wanted to show it off to his science teacher. That's the totality of my position on this matter.

I think you are wrong about this kid's innocence. He knew exactly what that clock looked like. He had shown it to a technology teacher who actually told him to put it away and NOT show anyone else. Yet, he still made it audibly "beep" in class and took it out to show another teacher, which is the point at which it was reported. He then was playing very coy with authorities and would not provide any detail about what it was, how it operated or how he made it.

This is a very smart kid who has taken obvious ques from the media and the PC rage that is sweeping the nation.

[mirth]

Obviously that if he was white, it wouldn't have been an issue.

That isn't my line of thinking. Hasn't been for one second.

I'll say it again for the 3 or 4th time, I don't think this kid was targeted because of his race, ethnicity or religion.

I also think that a white kid or any other kid would have also encountered the same or similar response. It would have still been an overreaction, imo.

Ok, I'm just going off of what you said in the quoted portion above. Furthermore, the problem I'm raising is not in the response to the incident, rather, it's the outpouring of support, favor and congratulation after the fact. If this kid wasn't a Muslim with brown skin, it never would have made national news and the president wouldn't have given a single  f__k.

My statement was in response to BC's comment that if it were an Anglo kid the response would be even more harsh. I don't think that is anymore accurate than saying this kid only got in trouble because he was Muslim.

As far as the White House invite and the other support from prominent public entities, I agree that is agenda driven. That is hardly a surprise. I don't subscribe to that agenda either.

I think this was a heavy handed school/police response to a skinny nerd kid who honestly thought he was making a cool clock and wanted to show it off to his science teacher. That's the totality of my position on this matter.

I think you are wrong about this kid's innocence. He knew exactly what that clock looked like. He had shown it to a technology teacher who actually told him to put it away and NOT show anyone else. Yet, he still made it audibly "beep" in class and took it out to show another teacher, which is the point at which it was reported. He then was playing very coy with authorities and would not provide any detail about what it was, how it operated or how he made it.

This is a very smart kid who has taken obvious ques from the media and the PC rage that is sweeping the nation.

I haven't seen or read anything to indicate he had that kind of agenda or plan for manipulation. I'd be open to seeing information supporting those claims.

[Bison]

No I'm not disagreeing with you Mirth.  There does need to be common sense applied.  A toy 2" gun is clearly not a threat and will never pose a threat.  A timing mechanism concealed inside of a carrying case is another matter.  Do I think the kid had a nefarious motivation?  I don't believe he did, but I can understand if someone were concerned about it.  Clearly there is a sequence of events that occurred afterward that need to be reviewed but not through public shaming or politicization tactics (don't forget the Irving Islamic Center and CAIR have been in a fight with Irving city government ever since Texas passed a law banning non-American courts that clearly was directed at suspected sharia courts being run out of the Islamic Community Center in Irving).  The zero tolerance policy also needs to be address but guns are the target and no means is too heavy handed for those who have the anti-second amendment agenda.  There needs to be some political leadership to address the latter issue, but its not going to come anytime to soon.

[Jarhead0331]

Obviously that if he was white, it wouldn't have been an issue.

That isn't my line of thinking. Hasn't been for one second.

I'll say it again for the 3 or 4th time, I don't think this kid was targeted because of his race, ethnicity or religion.

I also think that a white kid or any other kid would have also encountered the same or similar response. It would have still been an overreaction, imo.

Ok, I'm just going off of what you said in the quoted portion above. Furthermore, the problem I'm raising is not in the response to the incident, rather, it's the outpouring of support, favor and congratulation after the fact. If this kid wasn't a Muslim with brown skin, it never would have made national news and the president wouldn't have given a single  f__k.

My statement was in response to BC's comment that if it were an Anglo kid the response would be even more harsh. I don't think that is anymore accurate than saying this kid only got in trouble because he was Muslim.

As far as the White House invite and the other support from prominent public entities, I agree that is agenda driven. That is hardly a surprise. I don't subscribe to that agenda either.

I think this was a heavy handed school/police response to a skinny nerd kid who honestly thought he was making a cool clock and wanted to show it off to his science teacher. That's the totality of my position on this matter.

I think you are wrong about this kid's innocence. He knew exactly what that clock looked like. He had shown it to a technology teacher who actually told him to put it away and NOT show anyone else. Yet, he still made it audibly "beep" in class and took it out to show another teacher, which is the point at which it was reported. He then was playing very coy with authorities and would not provide any detail about what it was, how it operated or how he made it.

This is a very smart kid who has taken obvious ques from the media and the PC rage that is sweeping the nation.

I haven't seen or read anything to indicate he had that kind of agenda or plan for manipulation. I'd be open to seeing information supporting those claims.

Well, since you haven't read it in the news, it must not be the case. My mistake. Apologies...

[mirth]

Obviously that if he was white, it wouldn't have been an issue.

That isn't my line of thinking. Hasn't been for one second.

I'll say it again for the 3 or 4th time, I don't think this kid was targeted because of his race, ethnicity or religion.

I also think that a white kid or any other kid would have also encountered the same or similar response. It would have still been an overreaction, imo.

Ok, I'm just going off of what you said in the quoted portion above. Furthermore, the problem I'm raising is not in the response to the incident, rather, it's the outpouring of support, favor and congratulation after the fact. If this kid wasn't a Muslim with brown skin, it never would have made national news and the president wouldn't have given a single  f__k.

My statement was in response to BC's comment that if it were an Anglo kid the response would be even more harsh. I don't think that is anymore accurate than saying this kid only got in trouble because he was Muslim.

As far as the White House invite and the other support from prominent public entities, I agree that is agenda driven. That is hardly a surprise. I don't subscribe to that agenda either.

I think this was a heavy handed school/police response to a skinny nerd kid who honestly thought he was making a cool clock and wanted to show it off to his science teacher. That's the totality of my position on this matter.

I think you are wrong about this kid's innocence. He knew exactly what that clock looked like. He had shown it to a technology teacher who actually told him to put it away and NOT show anyone else. Yet, he still made it audibly "beep" in class and took it out to show another teacher, which is the point at which it was reported. He then was playing very coy with authorities and would not provide any detail about what it was, how it operated or how he made it.

This is a very smart kid who has taken obvious ques from the media and the PC rage that is sweeping the nation.

I haven't seen or read anything to indicate he had that kind of agenda or plan for manipulation. I'd be open to seeing information supporting those claims.

Well, since you haven't read it in the news, it must not be the case. My mistake. Apologies...

There is nothing in the details of the situation to support such a claim. There hasn't even been speculation on it that I can find.

If you think that is the case, I think you are wildly overestimating the ability of a 14 year old kid to plan and execute that kind of agenda. Particularly without talking/bragging about it.

[mirth]

I'll add that making unsupported claims about the kid's motives is no different than claiming he was the victim of racist, anti-Muslim school officials and cops.

[mirth]

No I'm not disagreeing with you Mirth.  There does need to be common sense applied.  A toy 2" gun is clearly not a threat and will never pose a threat.  A timing mechanism concealed inside of a carrying case is another matter.  Do I think the kid had a nefarious motivation?  I don't believe he did, but I can understand if someone were concerned about it.  Clearly there is a sequence of events that occurred afterward that need to be reviewed but not through public shaming or politicization tactics (don't forget the Irving Islamic Center and CAIR have been in a fight with Irving city government ever since Texas passed a law banning non-American courts that clearly was directed at suspected sharia courts being run out of the Islamic Community Center in Irving).  The zero tolerance policy also needs to be address but guns are the target and no means is too heavy handed for those who have the anti-second amendment agenda.  There needs to be some political leadership to address the latter issue, but its not going to come anytime to soon.

We largely agree on these issues. No need to continue chasing our tails ;)

[BanzaiCat]

The fact that we have to ask so many questions and wonder as to what the deal is here, is itself testimony to shitty, no-facts journalism.

[Bison]

But its so much fun!

[mirth]

But its so much fun!

Tail chasing and ball licking. Dog's really do have the life.

[Jarhead0331]

I'll add that making unsupported claims about the kid's motives is no different than claiming he was the victim of racist, anti-Muslim school officials and cops.

Now you're starting to piss me off, Mirth. Its unsupported because you haven't read about it. I call it a little bit of f__cking common sense. Look at what this little dip shit made? It TOTALLY looks like a god damn bomb. He is a 14 year old 9th grader. You talk about him like he is a 4 year old. Read his quotes. Read his comments. He is clearly sophisticated and it sounds to me as if he is completely taking advantage of the situation.

Read this and than come back here and tell me it is irrelevant and doesn't count because it comes from Rush Limbaugh. This is the first time in my entire life that I have quoted him, but I agree with him. This entire situation is bullshit. The school and the police were ENTIRELY justified as to how they reacted to this. You just wait. Some innocent little 14 year old jihadist is now going to build a real bomb and bring it to his school and nobody is going to make a peep because they are afraid of being labled as an islamophobe...what then when 40, 50, 60 100 children die when the stupid thing goes off. Then, just wait for the lawsuits which will be based on the school's negligence in notifying authorities. I AM SO SICK OF THIS GOD DAMN SHIT IN THIS COUNTRY. I hardly identify with the people who live in it.

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2015/09/17/the_clock_that_kid_brought_to_school_looked_like_a_freakin_bomb

[mirth]

Now you're starting to piss me off, Mirth.

I'm done talking about it. We've stated our thoughts on the topic.

[Jarhead0331]

Now you're starting to piss me off, Mirth.

I'm done talking about it. We've stated our thoughts on the topic.

Of course you are, and you didn't even read the linked article. Must be nice to bury your head in the sand and then tell everyone else who disagrees that their opinions are "unsupported" because you haven't read anything about it.

[mirth]

Now you're starting to piss me off, Mirth.

I'm done talking about it. We've stated our thoughts on the topic.

Of course you are, and you didn't even read the linked article. Must be nice to bury your head in the sand and then tell everyone else who disagrees that their opinions are "unsupported" because you haven't read anything about it.

You're way off base, JH. I did read the Rush article. I've been civil throughout this conversation, with you and everyone else. You started by calling bullshit and telling me I have a line of thinking that "that is leading to the doom of American culture". Now you're pissed at me and telling me that I am not open to other view points or information.

If you want a pissing match, I'm happy to play. I just don't really see the point.

[Jarhead0331]

Now you're starting to piss me off, Mirth.

I'm done talking about it. We've stated our thoughts on the topic.

Of course you are, and you didn't even read the linked article. Must be nice to bury your head in the sand and then tell everyone else who disagrees that their opinions are "unsupported" because you haven't read anything about it.

You're way off base, JH. I did read the Rush article. I've been civil throughout this conversation, with you and everyone else. You started by calling bullshit and telling me I have a line of thinking that "that is leading to the doom of American culture". Now you're pissed at me and telling me that I am not open to other view points or information.

If you want a pissing match, I'm happy to play. I just don't really see the point.

What? Since when can't family fight? I don't know how things work in your house, but I was really looking forward to the make-up sex.