Pike and Shot

[panzerde]

I might break my gaming fast for this one.   O:-)

For me it was more a case of a wafer-thin mint...but I did it anyway.

Oh shit! It's Mr. Creosote!

[besilarius]

Fasting is okay, probably a good idea in this era.
But watch the shellfish. Lots of generals died from bad shrimp.

[jomni]

Pike and Shot is Updated.

Campaigns: Significantly increased chance of defending army fighting either open battle or defending field fortifications rather than retreating when province is invaded. If they fight an open battle against a superior invading force there is a chance they will engage the invader before all his troops have arrived.
Campaigns: Improved auto resolution algorithm for defensive (field fortification) battles.
Campaigns: Corrected bug in reporting of supply limits for provinces with enemy armies in them. Now correctly reports supply limit that will apply for player armies when the enemy field army has been driven from the province.
Corrected sound effect for Szeklers and Lancer Banners shooting.
Corrected troop description of Veteran Late Pike & Shot and LG.

[Philippe]

For me the big news with this update is not the bug fixes but the fact that the army lists have been extended to 1690.

That means that sooner or later we'll start seeing scenarios on things like the last siege of Vienna by the Turks, the Scanian War, or the battle of the Boyne.

The game now provides a framework for the period stretching from the end of the Middle Ages to the dawn of 18th century warfare. 

I think the periods before and after (18th century and Medieval) would be better served by a different engine.  But what this current engine will be able to cover in detail in these two centuries is pretty exciting.

[ArizonaTank]

For me the big news with this update is not the bug fixes but the fact that the army lists have been extended to 1690.

That means that sooner or later we'll start seeing scenarios on things like the last siege of Vienna by the Turks, the Scanian War, or the battle of the Boyne.

The game now provides a framework for the period stretching from the end of the Middle Ages to the dawn of 18th century warfare. 

I think the periods before and after (18th century and Medieval) would be better served by a different engine.  But what this current engine will be able to cover in detail in these two centuries is pretty exciting.

Can't wait to play the Battle of the Boyne

[Boggit]

It's a nice piece of work, and makes the Pike and Shot game just so much better IMHO. O0

[MengJiao]

For me the big news with this update is not the bug fixes but the fact that the army lists have been extended to 1690.

That means that sooner or later we'll start seeing scenarios on things like the last siege of Vienna by the Turks, the Scanian War, or the battle of the Boyne.

The game now provides a framework for the period stretching from the end of the Middle Ages to the dawn of 18th century warfare. 

I think the periods before and after (18th century and Medieval) would be better served by a different engine.  But what this current engine will be able to cover in detail in these two centuries is pretty exciting.

  I bought the game.  If it covers the period 1494 to 1698 in an even remotely convincing fashion, I'm in.  So far it has been reasonably convincing (Tutorials!)

[Dimitris]

It's a great game, and Richard is a terrific guy and incredibly passionate on his work and subject. I cannot recommend it enough.

[MengJiao]

And that's why I'm having trouble wrapping my mind around the idea that Slitherine's game portrays 17th century warfare in anything but the costumes.

   I was originally not so skeptical about 17th century musketry as everyone else in this thread-- I'm pretty sure you could kill a lot of people pretty fast with muskets, otherwise why would they steadily replace pikes?  Moreover the change in musketry from say 1650 to 1750 seems to have had more to do with regulating musket fire (eg. fire by platoons) rather than changing its basic nature.

  So, eventually I bought the game.  It is clearly more a case of design for effect (like a board game) rather than a total simulation (like DCS Nine-Years war or Combat Mission Dutch Revolt would be), but as a design for effect game, it works fine and musketry will hit lots of people, which seems quite realistic to me.

[jomni]

It's clearly a tabletop wargame game design more than an accurate simulation.  You'll be amazed that every bit of abstraction in the game has its logical reasoning (not documented anywhere though).    Just ask the designer.  He is open to fine tuning the rules too if it has merits.

[panzerde]

So, eventually I bought the game.  It is clearly more a case of design for effect (like a board game) rather than a total simulation (like DCS Nine-Years war or Combat Mission Dutch Revolt would be), but as a design for effect game, it works fine and musketry will hit lots of people, which seems quite realistic to me.

I...I would buy Combat Mission Dutch Revolt. Think they'll release it anytime soon?  O0


I'm back in one of my frequent musket & pike obsession periods, and I'm having a "love and not as much love" relationship with this game. I'm playing some of the same battles in P&S as I am in GMTs Musket & Pike series. I'm finding that a lot of the historical scenarios included with Pike & Shot are so abstracted as to be completely different battles than what they're supposed to depict. That's less true of the historical scenarios created by the community, most of which are very, very good.


I think the biggest thing I miss in P&S I've remarked on before: lack of leaders and any sort of command and control. Certainly not including that makes for a simpler, more playable game. It loses some of what I find interesting about the period, though.

[MengJiao]

So, eventually I bought the game.  It is clearly more a case of design for effect (like a board game) rather than a total simulation (like DCS Nine-Years war or Combat Mission Dutch Revolt would be), but as a design for effect game, it works fine and musketry will hit lots of people, which seems quite realistic to me.

I...I would buy Combat Mission Dutch Revolt. Think they'll release it anytime soon?  O0


I'm back in one of my frequent musket & pike obsession periods, and I'm having a "love and not as much love" relationship with this game. I'm playing some of the same battles in P&S as I am in GMTs Musket & Pike series. I'm finding that a lot of the historical scenarios included with Pike & Shot are so abstracted as to be completely different battles than what they're supposed to depict. That's less true of the historical scenarios created by the community, most of which are very, very good.


I think the biggest thing I miss in P&S I've remarked on before: lack of leaders and any sort of command and control. Certainly not including that makes for a simpler, more playable game. It loses some of what I find interesting about the period, though.

  Omitting command and leaders seems very odd.  Still it is a fun game and does seem to produce roughly historical outcomes in some mysterious way.  It reminds me in some ways of Flying Colors -- reasonably abstract with a lot of period flavor, but you can push it in a more
convincing direction if you want to.

[Staggerwing]

Combat Mission Dutch Revolt

This must happen, this must be a thing.

[Nefaro]

Combat Mission Dutch Revolt

This must happen, this must be a thing.

Umm...


Wouldn't that just be extending the timeline of Pike & Shot a bit?   Up to the War of Spanish Succession at least?

[Philippe]

Pike and Shot already runs from the end of the fifteenth century to the end of the 17th.