Panther Games Command Ops 2 Limited Time Offer Bundle Pack Coming Soon

[smittyohio]

I watched the 'Game Concepts' and Tutorial video's and I must say that has made me much more interested in the game.
The price of admission is something I am not sure about though.
First, I'll get proficient at the free scenarios and take it from there. 99 bucks is a lot of money...

I wish I could get into these games.... It just got frustrating when units didn't do what you wanted, and the interface just didn't provide enough information (to me at least) to know why.   It'd be cool if you could click on a unit and request a user-friendly status update...  "Sir, my men got shot up at the rally point"   or "Waiting on 4th company to join us".   I just remember them sitting there with that "planning" icon or whatever.    I don't mind the units acting somewhat out of my control, just more information on why.

[-budd-]

Yea $99 is a chunk to drop, but its basically 5 games. Enjoy return to st.vith should give you a good intro to the game. Don't forget the replay feature where after your done with the scenario and maybe at a particular point you want to try something different, jump in the replay at that point and play from there. Enjoy.

[Yskonyn]

I just remember them sitting there with that "planning" icon or whatever.    I don't mind the units acting somewhat out of my control, just more information on why.

This might be because you have to get used to the 'time and space' modelling, as Panther Games calls it.
I too had problems fitting all the actions in perspective, but I found if I keep a sharp eye on the clock and think for a minute how actions like this would take up time in the real world and suddenly the game starts to make more sense.
The urge to micromanage to the platoon level is something that needs to fade too, but I am getting there and it actually makes the game more enjoyable.

Thanks budd! I'll keep you posted.

[-budd-]

here's some info on the upcoming KOAD module coming out soon. Just cross posting from LandL. I'm pretty excited about this one. Looking at the unit count and time frame there should be just constant action in these scenarios. I think these will have the biggest maps so far in CO2. I know the game doesn't have campaign per say but how awesome would say a 30 day scenario on a really big map be, the longest so far is 14 day scenario, really big maps are now possible in CO2.





One scenario is not on the list. You can see the unit count and time frame, this should be a bloody fine mess :)


Remember Westwall and KOAD contain brand new scenarios, so you can jump into CO2 with some new stuff.

[Yskonyn]

Thanks budd.
I have been busy with the three free scenario's. Really enjoying myself and its nice to see that battles don't have to play out the same way each time.
Once I feel comfortable with the game I will go ahead and buy a module.
I am tempted to go for the Market Garden one first as it features the area I am from.

[-budd-]

Thanks budd.
I have been busy with the three free scenario's. Really enjoying myself and its nice to see that battles don't have to play out the same way each time.
Once I feel comfortable with the game I will go ahead and buy a module.
I am tempted to go for the Market Garden one first as it features the area I am from.

Thats one of the great things about CO. It's plays out differently each time to some degree depending on what you change. What helped  me finally "get it" for CO2 was to approach it in a role play fashion, the uncertainty about it all is a big reason i find it fun. For fun sometimes when i had tasks to do in the house i would give my orders and wouldn't look at the screen for 30 minutes, usually set my stove timer, and then deal with the situation and give orders when i get back. If i recall correctly regular speed is 2 minutes of real time to 1 minute of game time or something like that.

did you play "return to St. Vith" yet? Curious to hear your approach,left, right or up the middle. How hard did you push. i played that one like 8 times, its the scenario i play to re-learn the controls and attacking.

HTTR is still my favorite, but the bulge stuff has more armor.

[Yskonyn]

I played St. Vith while following along with the tutorial video's.
This coming week I will rerun it on my own. :)

[-budd-]

Knock on all Doors is released, yesterday actually. $29.99US download. These are monster in size, units and maps. This is why they went to CO2, this size wasn't possible in CO1 i believe.

Knock on all Doors (KOAD) is a 12 scenario module for Command Ops 2 covering the momentous decisions in the first 48 hours of the battle of the bulge in Belgium 1944. These are very large scenarios in terms of area and forces. But they are relatively short and allow you to command either the German 7th Army, 5th Panzer Army or 1SS Panzer Korps and make the key initial decisions that will determine the outcome of this famous battle.

There are four sets of three scenarios. The first is the historical O-Tag or Day 1 set that commence on 16 December. The second or "Decision" set allows the player the opportunity to explore the famous "what ifs" faced by the German commanders on the second day of the battle 17 December. The third or "Knock" set works on the basis of employing the original staff plan, developed by General Manteuffel that embodied the concept of "knock on all doors and pour through the ones that open". The fourth "Big Knock" series takes this concept a little further and employs an augmented order of battle.

One of the joys of KOAD is the sheer scope of these scenarios. They enable you to gain an insight into the operational issues faced by the army commanders; explore options for employing different courses of action and game out the famous what-ifs that historians and analysts have debated.

[Grim.Reaper]

So just curious....has there been any mention of when the next major version of the game will be released?  Hate to buy all the scenarios now and for the next version to come out causing me to repurchase them yet again in the near future?

[-budd-]

Ok here's how i understand it. Say i have all the modules[i do except for WW] all bug fixes, minor updates are free[minor i'm guessing would be something that didn't take 6 months or a long time to do]. Ok,so your modules are playing fine your in your happy, bugfree, gaming nirvana. Major update comes out, by major update i'm thinking mounted ops, sequential tasking, these are big and will take awhile to put in and get right. So the major update is released, at this point you have choices. You can stay put and happily CO2 game for your lifetime or you can pay to upgrade your old modules. Whatever modules you choose, say there's one that you don't play that much, don't update it,it will still play fine. Pay to upgrade the modules you choose to, and there will be bundle upgrade pricing, kinda like the commanders pack but cheaper and for the upgrading the modules. Thing is if your happy, game on, do nothing, your game is fine. You will have to have a separate  install of the core engine for each version, meaning to play the ones you upgraded and the others you didn't, no big deal to me.The 2 big features i.e. sequential tasking, mounted ops are huge and will take this game to a whole new level[and the east front :D]and i can't imagine how much work it will take to get that right. Especially since Dave's seems like a bit of a perfectionist and takes a lot of pride in his product. With the new bigger map sizes possible with CO2 and mounted ops and sequential tasking in and continued improvement of the AI, hopefully, the game is going to places i want to see. My concern is this, the AI for CO especially the friendly AI has always been a cut above. I imagine its going to be quite hard with these new big features and take a real long time to get it up to snuff. I'm guessing they will be putting out data modules while dave focuses on the new big features.
Hope this helps-here's the LNL link to the pricing discussion.  http://forums.lnlpublishing.com/threads/co2-pricing-policy.1295/

[Grim.Reaper]

Ok here's how i understand it. Say i have all the modules[i do except for WW] all bug fixes, minor updates are free[minor i'm guessing would be something that didn't take 6 months or a long time to do]. Ok,so your modules are playing fine your in your happy, bugfree, gaming nirvana. Major update comes out, by major update i'm thinking mounted ops, sequential tasking, these are big and will take awhile to put in and get right. So the major update is released, at this point you have choices. You can stay put and happily CO2 game for your lifetime or you can pay to upgrade your old modules. Whatever modules you choose, say there's one that you don't play that much, don't update it,it will still play fine. Pay to upgrade the modules you choose to, and there will be bundle upgrade pricing, kinda like the commanders pack but cheaper and for the upgrading the modules. Thing is if your happy, game on, do nothing, your game is fine. You will have to have a separate  install of the core engine for each version, meaning to play the ones you upgraded and the others you didn't, no big deal to me.The 2 big features i.e. sequential tasking, mounted ops are huge and will take this game to a whole new level[and the east front :D]and i can't imagine how much work it will take to get that right. Especially since Dave's seems like a bit of a perfectionist and takes a lot of pride in his product. With the new bigger map sizes possible with CO2 and mounted ops and sequential tasking in and continued improvement of the AI, hopefully, the game is going to places i want to see. My concern is this, the AI for CO especially the friendly AI has always been a cut above. I imagine its going to be quite hard with these new big features and take a real long time to get it up to snuff. I'm guessing they will be putting out data modules while dave focuses on the new big features.
Hope this helps-here's the LNL link to the pricing discussion.  http://forums.lnlpublishing.com/threads/co2-pricing-policy.1295/

hello Budd, I am good on the pricing policy and understand it, I was more wondering if there has been any talk on potential time frame when the next "Major" release would come out.  Its highly likely I would want to keep my content current so just trying to think about that when I purchase.  If I am not mistaken, I believe it was mentioned originally there might be 1-2 major releases a year, but not sure if that is really the expected pace at this point...but if so, it seems like we would be close to a potential upgrade coming.

[-budd-]

I can't imagine it being close, he has still been fixing stuff in the release build and there's still a few on the list. If you don't have the commanders pack, i'd jump, it's almost as cheap as at release. $12 dollars a module, nice. I have only played some scenarios from a couple of the modules so far, i'm really waiting on getting my new laptop as this old laptop is struggling these days. I guess i can see how people would get PO'd , imagine buying the games the day before the upgrade
If you don't have the COpack i'd jump at this price, if your going to play it. if not, wait. My personal opinion is that the big update is quite a ways off, this is CO2, things always take longer ;)

[panzerde]

DC: Barbarossa put me back in the mood for WWII. Decided to use the 20% discount I had for KOAD and grab it. While I was there said "what the hell?" and grabbed WW, too...

I do love this game engine. I just need to play it more...

[Grim.Reaper]

I can't imagine it being close, he has still been fixing stuff in the release build and there's still a few on the list. If you don't have the commanders pack, i'd jump, it's almost as cheap as at release. $12 dollars a module, nice. I have only played some scenarios from a couple of the modules so far, i'm really waiting on getting my new laptop as this old laptop is struggling these days. I guess i can see how people would get PO'd , imagine buying the games the day before the upgrade
If you don't have the COpack i'd jump at this price, if your going to play it. if not, wait. My personal opinion is that the big update is quite a ways off, this is CO2, things always take longer ;)

Ok thanks....based on past history, kind of thought it would take longer than expected to bring out new major versions, just wanted to make sure.

[Father Ted]

Also: Commander Pack is a third off now! Buy, gents, buy!