SCOTUS upholds entire Health Care Law...

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Staggerwing

June 28, 2012, 09:31:26 AM Last Edit: June 28, 2012, 09:38:23 AM by Staggerwing
...including the individual mandate, not under the Commerce Clause but the Taxing Clause.

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Question: If the individual mandate is unconstitutional, can the rest of the law stand, or is the whole thing unconstitutional?

The court's answer: The mandate is constitutional, rendering moot further questions on the rest of the law.

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/06/28/how-will-supreme-court-rule-on-health-care-law/
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steve58

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June 28, 2012, 11:44:23 AM
...and Obama and the Dems swore up and down that Obamacare was not a tax  :o
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son_of_montfort

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June 28, 2012, 12:06:30 PM
I wonder how long this thread goes before being moved to R&P...  ;)
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Steelgrave

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June 28, 2012, 12:35:40 PM
You don't have to worry about me chiming in....my head exploded at the news  >:(

Windigo

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June 28, 2012, 12:54:52 PM
Quote from: Steelgrave on June 28, 2012, 12:35:40 PM
You don't have to worry about me chiming in....my head exploded at the news  >:(

Wrap it in bacon.
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Martok

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June 28, 2012, 12:58:57 PM
Quote from: Steelgrave on June 28, 2012, 12:35:40 PM
You don't have to worry about me chiming in....my head exploded at the news  >:(
Mine too.  Not in a million years did I think it was going to stand up. 


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Steelgrave

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June 28, 2012, 12:59:01 PM
Everything is better with bacon. And I'm digging your new avatar, Windy.

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June 28, 2012, 01:01:13 PM
Quote from: Martok on June 28, 2012, 12:58:57 PM
Quote from: Steelgrave on June 28, 2012, 12:35:40 PM
You don't have to worry about me chiming in....my head exploded at the news  >:(
Mine too.  Not in a million years did I think it was going to stand up.

I've heard that Justice Kennedy was furious at Roberts. That's not something you hear every day, the Supremes are normally so close-mouthed.

Martok

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June 28, 2012, 01:06:24 PM Last Edit: June 28, 2012, 01:43:59 PM by Martok
I'm still shocked it was Roberts who turned out to be the swing vote.  By almost all accounts, everyone had expected Scalia to be the one who was going to decide this. 


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Steelgrave

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June 28, 2012, 01:11:38 PM
Quote from: Martok on June 28, 2012, 01:06:24 PM
I'm still shocked it was Roberts who turned out to be the swing vote.  My almost all accounts, everyone had expected Scalia to be the one who was going to decide this.
Roberts is starting to concern me. He seems to be a big Federal power devotee, with this and some of his earlier rulings. When this started, he was originally considered to be a swing vote, then in the hearings he sounded more likely to vote against it. Guess not.

Gotta love the "news reporters" on NPR today who could barely contain their glee. And of course, while a 5-4 decision to revoke Obamacare would have shown how partisan the Court is according to the media, a 5-4 decision to uphold simply shows how they thought it through to come to the right decision.  Yeah, my head's exploding.....I'm cutting the news off and putting Pandora on. Something calming.

Windigo

#10
June 28, 2012, 01:17:18 PM
Steel... you sound like me when I hear something disturbing or disheartening coming from one of the branches of government.

Since I come from a socialized medicine nation, I wouldn't see this decision as a bad thing, so'd I'd buy you a drink and say lets go golf at a course where the golf cart -liquor girls are hot.


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June 28, 2012, 01:20:09 PM
I have no comment beyond...

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#12
June 28, 2012, 01:21:26 PM
This is stupid.  My head did not explode, but my heart broke. 
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Gusington

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June 28, 2012, 01:30:25 PM
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Mr. Bigglesworth

#14
June 28, 2012, 01:58:54 PM
Wow, that's gotta suck, you cant have your premiums cranked out of the budget when you get sick any more. Insurance companies will actually have to pay the insurance. :'(


More seriously its a strange system to have it linked to commerce. Tax maybe. To me medical is a national defence budget item. When the towers were hit the biggest loss was the people, then the symbol of the attack, then the buildings value. The commerce was a very small portion. The main thing that needs defending when you defend a country is the people. The culture of the country. If a flu pandemic happens the defence of the people is a national security issue.


The news has widely reported that by far most Americans like the provisions of the law. Even the insurance companies have stated they want to keep them if it had failed. What people don't like is having to buy something. Well you have to buy the whole national defence system don't you. People are irrational.
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