Explosions and Shootout in Paris

[MikeGER]

What do you do with Danish nationals breaking the law that are the children of immigrants? Deporting foreigners is in many respects a far easier issue to rationalise, and although human rights should form part of the equation, national security should carry a higher weighting in any issue of deportation for the protection of all in society. But what about home grown Danish muslims? Where would you deport them to?

the solution is: the state has to change its 'citizenship by naturalization'-law.
Don't give the citizenship automatically at birth to children where one of the parents is an immigrant
After it was proved, that the kid was raised to the local western cultural standarts of the harboring country the grown up adult children get offered the citizenship at an age of 21, with the right of the state to revoke the citizenship for a long period of probation time (10 years). 
So in case of criminal activity or support of terror organisations, citizenship can get revoke by a jury/judge and the person expellet.
(if the person is for example actually help fighting abroad in a crisis region, that can be done without the person to be present in the courtroom, the passport gets nullified and legally traveling back gets impossible for the "former citizen" )
   

[undercovergeek]

What do you do with Danish nationals breaking the law that are the children of immigrants? Deporting foreigners is in many respects a far easier issue to rationalise, and although human rights should form part of the equation, national security should carry a higher weighting in any issue of deportation for the protection of all in society. But what about home grown Danish muslims? Where would you deport them to?

the solution is: the state has to change its 'citizenship by naturalization'-law.
Don't give the citizenship automatically at birth to children where one of the parents is an immigrant
After it was proved, that the kid was raised to the local western cultural standarts of the harboring country the grown up adult children get offered the citizenship at an age of 21, with the right of the state to revoke the citizenship for a long period of probation time (10 years). 
So in case of criminal activity or support of terror organisations, citizenship can get revoke by a jury/judge and the person expellet.
(if the person is for example actually help fighting abroad in a crisis region, that can be done without the person to be present in the courtroom, the passport gets nullified and legally traveling back gets impossible for the "former citizen" )
   

Before this there need to be a fundamental change in tolerance and understanding of the situation

A guy on the radio this morning stated pretty much what you have and was instantly shouted down as hitler, fascist and planting the seeds of holocaust - people will simply not accept these kind of views anymore, to the detriment of our security I agree, but they won't

The only 'politician' prepared to do or say this is trump and there is national outcry in the UK here to have him banned from the country - I'm all for a bit of mischief, id love the ban to go ahead and then for him to win the presidency

[Bison]

I can think of a few dozen countries in the world that love Islamic law. 

[BanzaiCat]

people will simply not accept these kind of views anymore, to the detriment of our security I agree, but they won't

I'm not entirely convinced of that.

[Boggit]

people will simply not accept these kind of views anymore, to the detriment of our security I agree, but they won't

I'm not entirely convinced of that.

The problem is that it is unjust to blanket discriminate when really you just want to get to the bad guys. I have NO problem with you getting rid of the bad guys (if they want to live by the sword they can die from it too, as far as I am concerned), but I'd argue there are a lot of muslim people who don't have the same value set as those evil muslims (like Satanic State, Al Queerda, Loco Harem, or Al Kebab. ::) ;) ) What of Sufi muslims who suffer at the hands of these bastards, and are not part of the terrorist problem? Do we punish people who have done no crime, other than follow a religion (whatever we may think of it)?

Do we follow the advice of Abbott Arnaud Almalric at the massacre of Cathar Béziers in 1209? "Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius." (Kill them all. Our Lord knows His own.)

I have no problem with deporting immigrants who have committed serious criminal acts, and forbidding their return permanently, but I think it is a very dangerous path we tread to condemn every person of a religion simply because we dislike aspects of their religion. Where does it stop?

[BanzaiCat]

The problem is that it is unjust to blanket discriminate when really you just want to get to the bad guys.

Oh, I agree. What I was meaning was, I think people are starting to lean more towards blanket tactics. You can see more and more of these kinds of posts on social media.

[panzerde]

Damnit Boggit, now I want kebab!

[MikeGER]

I have no problem with deporting immigrants who have committed serious criminal acts, and forbidding their return permanently, but I think it is a very dangerous path we tread to condemn every person of a religion simply because we dislike aspects of their religion. Where does it stop?

there are several 'litmus tests' and 'indicators' you can 'sum up' in a (hidden) formula ...like those credit score company do with known data

- selfdeclaration , agitating, open sympathy for Islamists and their doings  (but no crime, contact or membership in known organisations ...yet)     

- are there demands from a person to change rules (at school, workplace, community) for nonbelievers to obey those rules too, out of political correctness / 'tolerance'  ...like young girls and boys sports-training, school classes visit of a farm that also show piglets

- is the person offended by things in his close environmet, which is not his business at all, ...like coworker has a piggy-bank, or figurine, poster on his desk, or eats pork-sandwich at a shared table, or restaurants offerings of food in menu chart ...

- does the person goes Nazi on smallish heavy processed food-ingredients contained in only homeopathic doses
  (like a person who is lifethreatening severe allergic on certain chemicals)   

- irritated by cartoons more then a believer of other religions are about mocking theirs.   

- does the person (suddenly) show off in public in traditional gear, or force his relatives into that gear in public 
 
- does the person get upset close to battery in smalltalk discussions if sensitive topics about his religion/rules get touched
  can the person 'tolerate' that someone has just a different opinion as much as the average Joe is able to 

- unusual travel patterns and durations... uncommon for tourists or business people     

[jejo68]

What do you do with Danish nationals breaking the law that are the children of immigrants? Deporting foreigners is in many respects a far easier issue to rationalise, and although human rights should form part of the equation, national security should carry a higher weighting in any issue of deportation for the protection of all in society. But what about home grown Danish muslims? Where would you deport them to?

First of you dont automaticly get citizenship in Denmark if your parents are immigrants.
And if you have recieved a citizenship, alot of the people still have dual citizenship from their old homeland, so its really quite easy to just strip them of the Danish if they wanted.
But apart from that, where not only talking about people with Danish citizenship. We are talking about immigrants or in a lot of cases asylum seekers that breaks the law and for some reason gets to stay in our country. Heck if your seeking asyl you can go rape a child and it will have no influence on whether we grant you asylum or not. Its fucked up beyond comprehension here.

[Boggit]

We are talking about immigrants or in a lot of cases asylum seekers that breaks the law and for some reason gets to stay in our country. Heck if your seeking asyl you can go rape a child and it will have no influence on whether we grant you asylum or not. Its fucked up beyond comprehension here.

I'd have thought as a matter of common sense that serious crime like child rape should have a serious bearing on any asylum decision as a matter of self evident common sense. To ignore that sort of crime poses a serious risk to the safety of the host country's population, and to ignore it as an organ of state (the immigration service) is thus a hugely irresponsible state of affairs.

[jejo68]

We are talking about immigrants or in a lot of cases asylum seekers that breaks the law and for some reason gets to stay in our country. Heck if your seeking asyl you can go rape a child and it will have no influence on whether we grant you asylum or not. Its fucked up beyond comprehension here.

I'd have thought as a matter of common sense that serious crime like child rape should have a serious bearing on any asylum decision as a matter of self evident common sense. To ignore that sort of crime poses a serious risk to the safety of the host country's population, and to ignore it as an organ of state (the immigration service) is thus a hugely irresponsible state of affairs.

yeah well it gets even better, because even if they decide to evict the guy he may have to stay here on the grounds of humanitarian causes, since it apparently matters what could happen to him in his homecountry.
What happens to our children with guys like him going around, well fuckem seems to be the cry from all the high and mighty people with the right opinions.

[Boggit]

@Jejo
So why don't Danish voters oppose these clowns?

[jejo68]

@Jejo
So why don't Danish voters oppose these clowns?

We do. Problem is that the current government fx wanted to abolish the refugee convention if it stood in the way of keeping these f...... out of our country, but so far nada has happened.
First thing our glorious prime minister did when he came into office was to visit Her almightiness Angela Merkel, and then he became just another lapdog for the shitheads in the EU.

[jejo68]

Well atleast the newest proposal by the government to confiscate any valuables from these immigrants so it can pay their expenses until the money runs out instead of us having to pay for them is getting wildly exaggerated in a lot of foreign press, so maybe that in itself will stop these leeches coming here. One can only hope

[steve58]

Caught one of the little SOBs...

Salah Abdeslam, the main fugitive from Islamic extremist attacks in Paris in November, was arrested in Belgium's capital Friday after four months at large, two French police officials told The Associated Press.

They said he was arrested in a major police operation in the Brussels neighborhood of Molenbeek. Both officials are in contact with people involved in the operation and spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly about an ongoing operation.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/03/18/fugitive-paris-attackers-prints-found-in-raided-belgium-apartment.html?intcmp=hpbt1